EPTHe was a communist dictator that died in his bed in the middle of the nation he helped create that is stable and providing a stable and decent life if nothing else. That feat alone should ring his name throughout history forever.
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
He was a communist dictator that died in his bed in the middle of the nation he helped create that is stable and providing a stable and decent life if nothing else. That feat alone should ring his name throughout history forever. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10280 Posts
On November 26 2016 15:39 Sermokala wrote: shit I'm drunk on rum for the first time in months and fiedel dies wow. He was a communist dictator that died in his bed in the middle of the nation he helped create that is stable and providing a stable and decent life if nothing else. That feat alone should ring his name throughout history forever. Not sure if serious... but I guess you're drunk so that might explain it. Good riddance. Maybe Trump will lift US embargo on Cuba O.O | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28736 Posts
Trump prolly will lift embargo - he obviously doesn't have the cold warrior mindset, there's public support for lifting the embargo (maybe not among his base, but I also don't think people who are negative really care that much), and Obama has set the path for the next president in this regard. RIP! | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22070 Posts
On November 26 2016 12:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Nate Silver on twitter : "Not saying this Jill Stein thing is a scam but if it were it would look like this. twitter.com Steins original goal was 2 million.She has now changed it to 7 million. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/25/1604131/-Green-Party-Now-Says-Unspent-Recount-Money-Will-Go-To-Party-Building-Not-Election-Reform Yeah I got a frown when I heard the needed money for a recount was gathered and they kept taking more. The moment they passed the 2mil needed they should have shut it down. Now it feels their just raking in money from people who think they donating for something else then what the money will be spend on. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7958 Posts
On November 26 2016 19:56 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah I got a frown when I heard the needed money for a recount was gathered and they kept taking more. The moment they passed the 2mil needed they should have shut it down. Now it feels their just raking in money from people who think they donating for something else then what the money will be spend on. I understood they needed 2 million dollars per state, so effectively 6 million dollars to cover all three states. If anything was irregular it's gonna be a cosmic mess. Also hard not to see the whole thing as a self promotion gimmick. But let see. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22070 Posts
On November 26 2016 22:42 Biff The Understudy wrote: I understood they needed 2 million dollars per state, so effectively 6 million dollars to cover all three states. If anything was irregular it's gonna be a cosmic mess. Also hard not to see the whole thing as a self promotion gimmick. But let see. According to an account I saw somewhere else it was a bit over 2 mil in total The combined cost of requesting all three recounts is expected to surpass $2 million. The filing fee in Wisconsin alone is about $1.1 million, Stein's campaign manager said. The fees in Michigan and Pennsylvania are $500,000 and $600,000, respectively. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 26 2016 11:57 Nyxisto wrote: I don't think it counts as armchair psychology if someone literally cries 'we are the laughing stock of the world, we are weak China is winning" a thousand times and wins an election with it. Building up walls and turning inward is not exactly a sign of confidence. I was referring to its interplay with the narcissistic pd armchair diagnosis. nothing to discuss though; just wanted to clarify what I meant. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2016 16:19 FlaShFTW wrote: Not sure if serious... but I guess you're drunk so that might explain it. Good riddance. Maybe Trump will lift US embargo on Cuba O.O I second the good riddance. He killed so many, and impoverished millions more. His policies and destruction forced people to flee by sea, which meant some died at sea, because they thought it was better to die attempting to reach America than to live under socialism. It is a great day to close that brutal chapter (although, sadly, the story continues). We will see Miami celebrating his death in the streets to contrast journalists calling him revered and a hero. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:16 Danglars wrote: I second the good riddance. He killed so many, and impoverished millions more. His policies and destruction forced people to flee by sea, which meant some died at sea, because they thought it was better to die attempting to reach America than to live under socialism. It is a great day to close that brutal chapter (although, sadly, the story continues). We will see Miami celebrating his death in the streets to contrast journalists calling him revered and a hero. Proves how far indoctrination goes. Rougly 50 THOUSAND cubans were slaughtered during his regime, plus the countless death trying to reach the U.S, he ruled for 60 years and Cuba has no freedom of anything and is a poverty hell hole, yet some people praise him. He also funded and provided weapons to the Colombian Guerrilla and provided support to the destruction of Venezuela. History will not absolve him, at some point he will be put side by side with Stalin, Mao and other brutal genocidical dictators who deserve nothing but shame and condemnation. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:16 Danglars wrote: I second the good riddance. He killed so many, and impoverished millions more. His policies and destruction forced people to flee by sea, which meant some died at sea, because they thought it was better to die attempting to reach America than to live under socialism. It is a great day to close that brutal chapter (although, sadly, the story continues). We will see Miami celebrating his death in the streets to contrast journalists calling him revered and a hero. Yeah, all of the fawning over Castro from some on the left is enough to make one vomit. He was not a good dude, and Cuba is a mess as a direct result of his rule. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Contrast this, perhaps, with North Korea, which really did have quite a few people who just sought to run away from that regime. Even in the Soviet Union they were often refugees. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9165 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:37 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, all of the fawning over Castro from some on the left is enough to make one vomit. He was not a good dude, and Cuba is a mess as a direct result of his rule. How is Cuba a mess? | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:37 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, all of the fawning over Castro from some on the left is enough to make one vomit. He was not a good dude, and Cuba is a mess as a direct result of his rule. Its so weird how everything is coloured left and right in your eyes. Also, @Danglars, "fleeing socialism" lol. They're fleeing from a dictator that threatens their lives. Not "socialism". For fucks sake. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:32 GoTuNk! wrote: Proves how far indoctrination goes. Rougly 50 THOUSAND cubans were slaughtered during his regime, plus the countless death trying to reach the U.S, he ruled for 60 years and Cuba has no freedom of anything and is a poverty hell hole, yet some people praise him. He also funded and provided weapons to the Colombian Guerrilla and provided support to the destruction of Venezuela. History will not absolve him, at some point he will be put side by side with Stalin, Mao and other brutal genocidical dictators who deserve nothing but shame and condemnation. Reagan did most of these things or worse and the right worships him. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6262 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:39 LegalLord wrote: In the Soviet world, he isn't seen quite as badly as he is here in the West. I won't go into too much detail on the general way he was viewed there (like many other controversial figures, the perception is mixed), but I will say that many Cubans moved freely between the Warsaw nations and Cuba and had no intentions of running away from their homeland. The story is different here, partially because you really only do get the stories of those who decided to run away. Contrast this, perhaps, with North Korea, which really did have quite a few people who just sought to run away from that regime. Even in the Soviet Union they were often refugees. Why would people stay in the warsaw pact nations? Cuba wasn't as bad as NK but that's not too high of a standard. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
American citizens seeking asylum is nothing new Political persecution has a long and notorious history in the USA. It began with religious persecution in the colonial period, such as the famous case of Anne Hutchinson. In relatively recent times, many well-known activists have been forced to leave the country, as early as Emma Goldman in the 1920s. The “McCarthy Era” Following World War II, a faction of ultra-right wing members of the national legislatures created the House Un-American Activities Committee. This Committee set out to (illegally and unconstitutionally) purge the USA of socialists and communists from employment, in every industry possible. Public figures were particularly targeted, from humble schoolteachers to movie stars. Many lives and careers, great and small, were ruined; including illustrious artists and writers. Neither the socialist movement, nor public service industries, in the US have ever recovered. COINTELPRO The intensification of popular activism in the 1960s brought with it a corresponding offensive by elements who target political activity. In the 1970s there was a shocking expose of the FBI’s COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program.) This federal campaign of domestic political espionage targeted both prominent and local activists, with a wide range of violent and sometimes bizarre interference in the their public and personal lives; up to and including political murder. This included the FBI’s alleged involvement in the assassination of popular leaders like Martin Luther King. ... Here are some of the latest statistics available from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), giving their count of US citizens who are now refugees / applying for asylum. However these numbers do not include American applicants who’ve been refused asylum. Some we know of have been stranded in legal limbo for as much as ten years, but still refuse to return to the US, out of fear for their safety. (You can view the full UNHCR Statistics at this link: http://www.unhcr.org/52a723f89.html) UNHCR Statistical Yearbook - Statistical Annex Refugees & asylum-seekers by country of origin Country Applicants Total refugees of origin waiting & applicants USA Refugees for asylum for asylum ________________________________________________________ (2012) 4453 432 4885 (2008) 2136 1755 3891 Source Yes, the site seems a little bit dubious. Nevertheless its statistics checks out and its point about refugees being a political statement is absolutely true. There is a large degree of selective usage of terms here. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 27 2016 02:19 RvB wrote: Why would people stay in the warsaw pact nations? Cuba wasn't as bad as NK but that's not too high of a standard. Why would Cubans stay in the Warsaw nations? Possibly because if it really was a dangerous hellhole that they wanted to leave then they would run for the hills and leave that brutal dictatorship of their home. North Koreans did, which does say something. Or did you mean in general? In which case the answer would hopefully be kind of obvious. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7958 Posts
On November 27 2016 01:37 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, all of the fawning over Castro from some on the left is enough to make one vomit. He was not a good dude, and Cuba is a mess as a direct result of his rule. Cuba was fucked in the ass by the US for a whole century before Castro arrived : And when Castro was in power they basically had a systematic politics of terrorism and bullying. I have met quite a few cuban people in the last years. They didn't like Castro, but they really, really hated America. Let's be clear: Castro was a ruthless dictator, and I really won't cry his death. But if there is something to vomit about it's the last century and a half of american FP in South America. Castro has just been a reaction and would probably never had occurred if the US hadn't installed in the first place a corrupt dictatorship for their colonial grand purposes. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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YoureFired
United States822 Posts
On November 27 2016 02:45 Biff The Understudy wrote: Cuba was fucked in the ass by the US for a whole century before Castro arrived : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv7VQDAi4Yw And when Castro was in power they basically had a systematic politics of terrorism and bullying. I have met quite a few cuban people in the last years. They didn't like Castro, but they really, really hated America. Let's be clear: Castro was a ruthless dictator, and I really won't cry his death. But if there is something to vomit about it's the last century and a half of american FP in South America. Castro has just been a reaction and would probably never had occurred if the US hadn't installed in the first place a corrupt dictatorship for their colonial grand purposes. I have to agree strongly with this. Any examination of politics in Latin America has to involve a healthy dose of history regarding the US's constant presence in the region, and Cuba/Castro's labeling as a pariah due to its socialist leanings causes their flaws to be magnified while their successes are ignored. As others posted, we can deride the Castro regime's usage of strong-arm dictator tactics while still celebrating the human development and health advances that their country has achieved in pursuit of socialist ideals. | ||
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