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On November 23 2016 07:20 Noidberg wrote:

Heh, nobody does. All we have is circumstantial evidence(bar email server) that allegedly links her to criminal behavior without proof of intent. Leave it to the professionals and unless she admits guilt so just wait until the 20th.



Dude never doubt for a second people in power are angels. I dont want to get into conspiracy here as this forum holds a standard but we had 2 choices this election and i firmly believe i choose the lesser evil.

A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned a water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw “less-than-lethal” weapons, according to the woman’s father.

Sophia Wilansky was one of several hundred protesters injured during the standoff with police on Sunday on a bridge near the site where the pipeline is planned to cross under the Missouri river.

Graphic photographs of her injured arm with broken bones visible were circulated on social media.

“The best-case scenario is no pain and 10-20% functionality,” said Wayne Wilansky, Sophia’s father, who travelled to Minneapolis where his daughter underwent eight hours of surgery on Monday. He said his daughter had been hit by a concussion grenade thrown by a police officer and that the arteries, median nerve, muscle and bone in her left arm had been “blown away”.

Sophia will require additional surgery in the next few days and her arm may still have to be amputated, he added. “She’s devastated. She looks at her arm and she cries,” he said.

Sophia Wilansky is one of thousands of activists who have travelled to the Standing Rock Sioux reservation in North Dakota to attempt to halt the construction of the pipeline. Members of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe established a “spiritual camp” on the banks of the Missouri in April. The tribe fears the pipeline will jeopardise their water supply and say that construction has disturbed sacred burial grounds.

The activists, who call themselves “water protectors”, have faced a heavily militarised police force. More than 400 protesters have been arrested by law enforcement officers who have deployed pepper spray, teargas, rubber bullets, Tasers, sound weapons and other “less-than-lethal” methods.

Following Sunday’s confrontation 26 protesters were taken to hospital and more than 300 injured, according to the Standing Rock Medic & Healer Council. Most of the injured had hypothermia after being hit by a water cannon in below-freezing weather.

On November 23 2016 06:03 biology]major wrote:



This is the same person who like 30 years ago said if the country needs him to president, he will put his business life on hold, become president and save it. Now the initial portion of that is reality despite every single prediction and "analysis". This is the last person you should be pre-judging or underestimating, he did something extraordinary and I'd wait and see how he does with his 4 years. Even democrats are already getting ready to work with him because he has some ideas for both sides.

On November 23 2016 06:51 zlefin wrote:

Whether you would be a plansix hasn't changed; that's largely separate from political affiliation/stance.
How do you know you're more correct now than you used to be, rather than less correct or equally correct?
Why are you glad about it?
Surely many other people have gone either liberal to conservative or conservative to liberal and they all feel they were correct and are glad they changed.

Have your standards in cleanliness changed too?

On November 23 2016 07:33 biology]major wrote:


I don't know if I'm more correct now or back then, but I can tell you that it takes a philosophical shift of epic proportions to go from liberal to conservative or vice versa. Conservative thinking is about individual responsibility, and liberal thinking is about society at large. One starts bottom up and the other is top down.

For example: guy shoots up mall with a gun. Liberal thinking --> restrict weapons, ammunition etc. Conservative thinking --> protect yourself with either self defense or a weapon of your own. One attempts to change society, and the other is more about changing yourself.

Abortion --> Liberal thinking: woman's right to choose sometimes even up to third trimester. Conservative thinking: morally ambiguous ethical dilemma, why risk having to make this choice when there are ways to protect yourself in 99.9% of cases with contraceptive use? If you don't have access to contraception and don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Same thing again, one is about changing the rules and society, the other is about changing yourself.

So I can see that if you think people in general are shit and can't really control themselves and take personal responsibility then yeah Liberal thinking makes more sense.

On November 23 2016 07:39 Blisse wrote:


That's an absurd generalization of both sides of the spectrum.

On November 23 2016 07:33 biology]major wrote:


I don't know if I'm more correct now or back then, but I can tell you that it takes a philosophical shift of epic proportions to go from liberal to conservative or vice versa. Conservative thinking is about individual responsibility, and liberal thinking is about society at large. One starts bottom up and the other is top down.

For example: guy shoots up mall with a gun. Liberal thinking --> restrict weapons, ammunition etc. Conservative thinking --> protect yourself with either self defense or a weapon of your own. One attempts to change society, and the other is more about changing yourself.

Abortion --> Liberal thinking: woman's right to choose sometimes even up to third trimester. Conservative thinking: morally ambiguous ethical dilemma, why risk having to make this choice when there are ways to protect yourself in 99.9% of cases with contraceptive use? If you don't have access to contraception and don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Same thing again, one is about changing the rules and society, the other is about changing yourself.

On November 23 2016 07:33 biology]major wrote:


I don't know if I'm more correct now or back then, but I can tell you that it takes a philosophical shift of epic proportions to go from liberal to conservative or vice versa. Conservative thinking is about individual responsibility, and liberal thinking is about society at large. One starts bottom up and the other is top down.

For example: guy shoots up mall with a gun. Liberal thinking --> restrict weapons, ammunition etc. Conservative thinking --> protect yourself with either self defense or a weapon of your own. One attempts to change society, and the other is more about changing yourself.

Abortion --> Liberal thinking: woman's right to choose sometimes even up to third trimester. Conservative thinking: morally ambiguous ethical dilemma, why risk having to make this choice when there are ways to protect yourself in 99.9% of cases with contraceptive use? If you don't have access to contraception and don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Same thing again, one is about changing the rules and society, the other is about changing yourself.

So I can see that if you think people in general are shit and can't really control themselves and take personal responsibility then yeah Liberal thinking makes more sense.

On November 23 2016 07:33 biology]major wrote:


I don't know if I'm more correct now or back then, but I can tell you that it takes a philosophical shift of epic proportions to go from liberal to conservative or vice versa. Conservative thinking is about individual responsibility, and liberal thinking is about society at large. One starts bottom up and the other is top down.

For example: guy shoots up mall with a gun. Liberal thinking --> restrict weapons, ammunition etc. Conservative thinking --> protect yourself with either self defense or a weapon of your own. One attempts to change society, and the other is more about changing yourself.

Abortion --> Liberal thinking: woman's right to choose sometimes even up to third trimester. Conservative thinking: morally ambiguous ethical dilemma, why risk having to make this choice when there are ways to protect yourself in 99.9% of cases with contraceptive use? If you don't have access to contraception and don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Same thing again, one is about changing the rules and society, the other is about changing yourself.

So I can see that if you think people in general are shit and can't really control themselves and take personal responsibility then yeah Liberal thinking makes more sense.

On November 23 2016 07:53 Sermokala wrote:
Especially with the winter setting in now and the snow they should clear everything out to make sure people don't die form the cold. Let them come back in the spring if they want to. same deal with OWS.

On November 23 2016 08:02 Noidberg wrote:

This is why education is so important so we get to keep our freedoms such as the right to bear arms. This is also why i believe the degradation of morals in our current society is a major issue today which fuels all sorts controversy and strife. For example homosexuality might as well be considered a flaw in the human psyche but people deserve to be treated with dignity even if their sexual orientation is built that way. It's only when perversion of homosexualy becomes the norm which infringes upon our morals and society as a negative. Same can be said about any other human instinct and function we live in a civilized society and should retain it the best we can.

On November 23 2016 07:57 Simberto wrote:

Conservative thinking: Everyone have guns constantly at ready. This will surely make us save. Especially once the shooting starts and everyone will surely be able to identify the person who started everything over all the other conservatives with guns shooting at other conservatives with guns.


Conservative thinking: Also avoid teaching teenagers anything about contraceptives, and make them as hard as possible to get because Jesus told you so.

No one is for abortions in the third trimester, EXCEPT in cases where there is major medical danger to the mother. Even in that case it is a hard question.

Also, your conclusion is nonsensical. Why is not banning abortion about changing society? Why is preventing other people from doing what they want to do about changing yourself? The conservative stance on abortion is explicitly about telling other people what to do, not about changing yourself. You can always choose not to have an abortion for yourself, you don't need laws for that.

Thus, i would posit that your conclusion that conservatism is about changing yourself, and american liberal thinking is about changing society is incorrect, as shown on your own examples, where the both positions swap sides on the changing yourself/changing society axis.

On November 23 2016 08:02 Noidberg wrote:

This is why education is so important so we get to keep our freedoms such as the right to bear arms. This is also why i believe the degradation of morals in our current society is a major issue today which fuels all sorts controversy and strife. For example homosexuality might as well be considered a flaw in the human psyche but people deserve to be treated with dignity even if their sexual orientation is built that way. It's only when perversion of homosexualy becomes the norm which infringes upon our morals and society as a negative. Same can be said about any other human instinct and function we live in a civilized society and should retain it the best we can.

On November 23 2016 08:03 ZapRoffo wrote:


Spray them with cold water so they don't die of cold--brilliant! Aside from that, if anything is being a nanny state, this is. I really don't understand why the police are so confrontational about it, especially since the construction isn't scheduled to go on right now anyway.

On November 23 2016 08:08 biology]major wrote:


I'm not christian and don't subscribe to any religion so I vehemently disagree with all of that jesus shit. People should be educated on contraceptive use. So this is an area where people will be limited by government and so you have to work around it, by making smart choices and taking responsibility. Not having a bail out.

When I was a student in a OB/GYN clinic, the number of women I saw come in for their multiple abortions (sometimes even 5th) was staggering. It was essentially people using abortions as a contraceptive, and it made me sick. So many planned parenthood referrals.

On November 23 2016 08:18 Sermokala wrote:

I'm saying that they shouldn't be doing that they should just clear out the protesters camp and be done with the protests for the public health. People coming in from warmer climates will die if they're unprepared during a cold snap.

Tachion you clearly have a problem with comprehension because I repeatedly said nothing about you comparing the alt right to the KKK I was attacking your shitty post and the way you were arguing in bad faith.

But we've already covered how there are neo nazies and kkk-lite people in the alt right, Its not news and it just makes you look dumb. Its like me comparing feminists to anti male activists, its just bad faith arguing.