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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On November 23 2016 08:29 Tachion wrote: What you call bad faith arguing, I call seeking verification of personal observations. And it looks like my observations line up pretty damn close to the truth  So you're literally admitting to confirming your own bias. Good to know you don't harbor the illusion of arguing in good faith. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On November 23 2016 08:34 Sermokala wrote: So you're literally admitting to confirming your own bias. Good to know you don't harbor the illusion of arguing in good faith. You might as well call me biased for assuming the sun is hot as well. The evidence was all pointing in one direction, with little to no say otherwise. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On November 23 2016 08:47 Tachion wrote: You might as well call me biased for assuming the sun is hot as well. The evidence was all pointing in one direction, with little to no say otherwise. Then you're an idiot that doesn't understand how labeling works. the sun isn't that hot compared to other stars. Correlation is not causation. Generalizing and stereotyping a group based on how some in that group act is wrong and doesn't lead anywhere good. | ||
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Introvert
United States5068 Posts
President-elect Donald Trump is leaning toward asking former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney to be his secretary of state, according to people familiar with the deliberations. The next U.S. president is also likely to name retired Marine Gen. James Mattis to serve as secretary of defense in his administration, and South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley is the leading candidate to be the next ambassador to the United Nations, the people said. Delaying Mr. Trump’s decision about secretary of state is an internal tug of war between supporters of Mr. Romney, and those urging the selection of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. A third group is pressing the president-elect to keep searching for candidates. The New York businessman views Mr. Romney as the prototypical choice to be the nation’s top diplomat, and a group of advisers inside the transition are pushing him to select the 2012 Republican presidential nominee. Two people said Mr. Trump is inclined to select Mr. Romney. www.wsj.com | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
He'd be a status quo SoS, but Trump is hardly the kind of person who would seek to change that. I'd be ok with it, all things considered. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28918 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On November 23 2016 07:40 xDaunt wrote: The authorities should just clear everyone out. That stupid protest has gone on long enough. If you legitimately mean everyone, including the companies, then yes I totally agree. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 23 2016 09:21 TheTenthDoc wrote: While I don't really see what qualifies Romney for Secretary of State, I didn't really see what qualified Clinton either (Kerry was another story). I didn't even realize there were rumblings he might pick Guiliani-does Giuliani even want the job? He doesn't seem to have the shrewdness or calculatingness down at all. i mean, the bar is now apparently potentially competent, non insane white male in fairness, romney is a smart guy. he was governor of MA and built bain capital (which is something i do find impressive though a lot of the left thinks its some kind of evil entity). giuliani wouldn't make it through confirmation hearings. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 23 2016 09:21 TheTenthDoc wrote: While I don't really see what qualifies Romney for Secretary of State, I didn't really see what qualified Clinton either (Kerry was another story). I didn't even realize there were rumblings he might pick Guiliani-does Giuliani even want the job? He doesn't seem to have the shrewdness or calculatingness down at all. i'm goign to look up his CV later. in the meantime, what qualifications do you think a SoS should have? | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 23 2016 08:58 Introvert wrote: Doing things like this would assuage fears that he's going to fill positions with yes-men. I assume all three of these people will make their differences known. www.wsj.com I'd trust Romney over Giuliani any day. It does however sadden me if those are the only two seriously in the running. I also have a close friend and fellow Californian in the running for Sec of Education, probably in the lower half of likely candidates. He got a call from the transition team so here's to hoping! President-elect Donald Trump denied Tuesday that he did anything to energize the "alt-right" movement through his presidential campaign and sought to distance himself from it, even though many of the movement's leaders have sought to tether their political views to Trump's rise. "I don't want to energize the group, and I disavow the group," Trump told a group of New York Times reporters and columnists during a meeting at the newspaper's headquarters in New York. "It's not a group I want to energize, and if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why," he added, according to one of the Times reporters in the room, Michael Grynbaum. Trump offered up the condemnation of the alt-right, a far-right political movement rife with white nationalist, anti-Semitic and racist ideologies, after The New York Times' executive editor Dean Baquet asked Trump if he feels he did things to energize the alt-right. Trump's comments come days after Richard Spencer, a white supremacist and leading figure in the alt-right, delivered a racist and anti-Semitic address to a gathering of the group's members in which he declared, emphatically, "Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!" CNN Probably not necessary, given how many of his supporters know it's nonsense, but he does it anyways. Of course, the narrative line continues in other stories condemning him for not doing it early enough or denouncing strongly enough. Oh well. Nearly 20 years ago, Radiohead released “Karma Police,” the second single on their groundbreaking album “OK Computer.” The song is an anthem for an illiberal age. It opens with a demand, “Karma police / Arrest this man,” and the refrain sounds a warning, “This is what you’ll get / When you mess with us.” Given his left-wing politics, Thom Yorke no doubt feared conformity of thought and suppression of speech and dissent would come from the political Right, and from the homogenizing effects of capitalism and consumer culture. He was right that we were entering an era of intolerance, but wrong to think it would come from conservatives. Our illiberal moment, and the popular culture that creates and sustains it, is almost wholly a creation of the Left. Every passing day since the presidential election bears this out. The spasms of outrage and protest that have rocked the country since Donald Trump’s election have revealed what should have been plain to see for a long time: progressives are through debating; they are interested only in enforcing their views. They believe they have won the culture wars, that there is no room left for dissent on matters like gay marriage, abortion, and transgender entitlements. They believe, too, that questions of public policy, from health care to entitlements and welfare, have been settled once and for all. Any remaining dissenters should feel the full weight of the administrative state, with all its powerful mechanisms. Don’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding? We’ll put you out of business. Donate to the wrong political cause? You’ll lose your job. Don’t want to pay for government-mandated birth control for your employees? We’ll haul you before the Supreme Court, even if you’re a group of septuagenarian Catholic nuns. This is what you’ll get when you mess with us. The Federalist He gives a good take on the continuing weeks of intolerance and illiberal attitudes from the left. Just like some here in this thread, hardcore dismissiveness and argument from ideology will only catalyze the rebellion. + Show Spoiler [Tweets on art/pol] + It's pretty telling how few people came out to condemn the means apart from the message. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
also, you don't try to disavow the bad guys to satisfy the people on your own side, but to satisfy those that are concerned abotu what you're doing. why complain about "narrative lines" when you're also using different ones? the narratives of both sides continue even if flawed. are you condemning the flawed narrative lines your side uses? re: SoS upon reviewing romney's CV, it does seem a bit thin for SoS. I'd like to see some other options. Does the gov't ever release the short lists, and analyses for/against various possibilities? | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 23 2016 10:09 Nyxisto wrote: I mean at least it looks like he's might not pull the US out of the Paris climate change agreement after all. Everything else you guys have to live with but that could have screwed everybody over At the end of the day I do expect him to be pushed towards sanity on certain issues of global importance. He will probably uphold the Paris Accords and maintain an essentially status quo position on foreign policy matters. I do expect him to build the wall and ditch trade agreements, but those trade deals were already crumbling before his election. The anti-trade pressures are strong. | ||
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