EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 5814
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45167 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This election in a nutshell. https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/792443717944745984 I know that there are bigger issues with the message this woman is making, but... Trump being truthful? Really?? The guy has like a 70% lie rating vs the 30% from both Bernie and Hillary. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 30 2016 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This election in a nutshell. https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/792443717944745984 ![[image loading]](http://assets.amuniversal.com/da7a82807d980134e3a7005056a9545d) | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
most political cartoons suck, I hate them. they lie and misrepresent constantly; and they're often not funny. half the time they don't even have a proper joke, just an insult. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45167 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On October 30 2016 03:46 LegalLord wrote: There was absolutely nothing Comey could have done that wouldn't get half the country to be pissed off at the FBI. This entire investigation was a losing proposition. Not rlly. Everyone would be somewhat satisfied with some degree of negligence charge. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:34 NukeD wrote: Not rlly. Everyone would be somewhat satisfied with some degree of negligence charge. What about those that would complain that it wasn't strict enough or those that would complain that the FBI decided to influence the outcome of an election? | ||
KwarK
United States43350 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:32 plasmidghost wrote: I can't believe the FBI director singlehandedly gave Trump a legitimate shot at winning the election (and by legitimate I mean probably around 15-20%) He still needs to go 7/6 in swing states. If he can't flip one of NH, PA or CO he can't get 270. His fundamental problem is unchanged. Even if he wins all the states he wants, that's 267. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
More accurate representation by the rest of the world. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xAvMg1J.jpg) There's really nothing to say, however. Between reality-denying Trumpeteers and "I'd rather set all of Bernie's fighting issues back 50 years than vote Hillary"-Berniebros, I feel the time of discussion in your current election is way past. Maybe it's been for a while, too. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
On October 30 2016 02:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: relax, it's descriptive not normative. Your blatant sexism certainly resonates with a decent percentage of American Trump supporters. On October 30 2016 02:43 KwarK wrote: your US does things because US does things is on the same level with don't mind the americans, they are just stupid. you substitute the lack of knowledge/transparency in a situation with an it doesn't matter, it already happened or with stupid is as stupid does and call it a day. come on man, tell me why US did what it did and who benefited then maybe we can speculate some. If you want a basic rundown of the history of Iran, why Iran went for nukes, why the sanctions happened and why they were subsequently lifted I wrote one here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5368#107342 fill in those : ........... | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:53 xM(Z wrote: relax, it's descriptive not normative. Good one | ||
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KwarK
United States43350 Posts
It makes sense and is coherent if you consider the changing political currents within the US from the Cold War to the Bush era. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3262 Posts
There's something very bizarre about American politics, that a country of people who – by nearly any objective measure you might care to choose – are some of the most blessed people in the history of the world, can be so perpetually convinced that they are on the verge of utter destruction. Like, whether or not the apocalypticism about Trump is justified, it's at least based on the idea that Trump has only the vaguest of policy ideals, a pugnacious temperament, and an open disdain for everything to do with the current state of affairs. So whether you think we've got a good thing going, or just an okay thing, or even a pretty bad thing, Trump clearly wants to destroy what we've got going now, and it's an open question what he wants to replace it with. Hillary, by nearly everyone's description, largely wants to keep things going as they are now, with some modest reforms here and there. In what world can that be equated to Russian Roulette with six bullets? What apocalypse do you think she will herald? Do you really find a Hillary-induced WW3 all that likely? Or is she final step in the invasion of the lizard people? Will she Benghazi us all? Or upload us to her e-mail server and delete us? I get if you don't much like the way things are going now, you might want more (or different) reforms than what she proposes, but this sort of apocalyptic prophesying, especially with absolutely zero specifics as to what disaster is so imminent and yet contingent upon this election, is lazy at best and dishonest at worst. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 30 2016 05:52 plated.rawr wrote: There's really nothing to say, however. Between reality-denying Trumpeteers and "I'd rather set all of Bernie's fighting issues back 50 years than vote Hillary"-Berniebros, I feel the time of discussion in your current election is way past. Maybe it's been for a while, too. Actually, I saw a poll a while back that Clinton's issue is with female Bernie supporters - the male ones are more likely to support her. I suspect that the comments by her surrogates about women who didn't vote for her wound up really hurting her. | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
On October 30 2016 06:11 ChristianS wrote: There's something very bizarre about American politics, that a country of people who – by nearly any objective measure you might care to choose – are some of the most blessed people in the history of the world, can be so perpetually convinced that they are on the verge of utter destruction. When we say "utter disaster", we mean something more like "getting knocked down to about Spain's level and having no idea how to cope". | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On October 30 2016 03:14 oneofthem wrote: btw most of the rest of the world would welcome a more robust u.s. fp stance, certainly europeans. obama style aloofness is not building relationships. this idea that hrc is going to mess up a few relations is basically blame america first priors Which europeans are you talking about ? I welcome the change in FP that Obama represented, it was a blessing after the fiasco that was Bush. Yes, the US will always be criticized, because some people out there think somehow that the US has to be the father of the world and save everyone and prevent death and all, but the task - helping people and pushing for democratic agenda - is impossible considering the world as it is. On October 30 2016 03:22 ImFromPortugal wrote: Nothing was debunked no hyperbole here, what's the difference between Alqaeda and the other rebel groups in Aleppo? Alqaeda is the boss there right now 80% of the rebel force in Aleppo is made of islamic extremists. I dare you to debunk it, i double dare you. Ahrar al-Sham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahrar_al-Sham - Islamist Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (Al-Nusra \ Aka Alqaeda) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front - Islamist Jaysh al-Islam - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaysh_al-Islam - Islamist Jabhat Ansar al-Din - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabhat_Ansar_al-Din - Jihadist Turkistan Islamic Party - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party - Islamist Suqour al-Sham Brigade - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade - Islamist Liwa al-Haqq - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suqour_al-Sham_Brigade - Islamist Ajnad al-Sham - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajnad_al-Sham_Islamic_Union - Islamist Jaysh al-Mujahideen - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Mujahideen - Islamist Thuwar al-Sham - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabhat_Thuwar_al-Raqqa - FSA Jaysh al-Nasr - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaysh_al-Nasr - FSA Harakat Nour al-Din al-Zenki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harakat_Nour_al-Din_al-Zenki - Islamist Faylaq al-Sham - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sham_Legion - Islamist FSA Northern Division - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Division_(Syrian_rebel_group) - Vetted by the US FSA 13th Division - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Division_(Syrian_rebel_group)- Vetted by the US FSA Mountain Hawks Brigade - Vetted by the US - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Hawks_Brigade FSA Central Division - Vetted by the US Groups that participated in the last aleppo offensive. This way i will make it easier for you to understand that there is no Hyperbole here. "Debunked" lol you can say that you don't care but to say that something that is so blatantly obvious was debunked without presenting a single fact is laughable. Why should the united states support such a list of good fellas ? This is actually something people don't want to acknowledge (that most of the "rebels" fighting Assad are islamic radicals at this point) because they somehow want to believe that there is a good solution in Syria and that their opposition to Russia is rational, while most of the democratic opposition to Assad has died out months if not years ago. This is entirely irrationnal. I thought people understood, after the arabic revolts, that a massive revolt without any kind of progressive philosophy is not a revolution and should not be instantly supported. | ||
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