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On October 12 2016 09:54 ZeaL. wrote: Yeah... Unfortunately there is probably going to be violence on election night. Honestly, I'm not too sure what there is to be done about people who distrust everything and everyone except for those in their echo chambers.
We said that same thing when Obama was first elected. Turned out aside from a few super crazies the FBI caught before they ever got the ball rolling.. nothing.
Maybe I'm being excessively anxious. You do have to admit that the rhetoric this election has been much worse however, with the one of the candidates talking about rigged elections, second amendment solutions, jailing their opponent, etc.
I'm anxious too. This is the first time in living memory that a candidate has threatened to have his opponent sent to jail if he is elected.
I'm really pissed at Republicans over this. I've been staunchly independent my whole life and they're making this election a joke.
“We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” the document states. -Excerpt from within the wikileaks email leak
So the democratic government is okay selling arms to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whom Hillary says in her own words is supporting ISIL, oh and bombing civilians, very nice, oh and Russia's the bad guy? Open your eyes, open your mind.
Oh and here's your candidate, laughing about the brutal death of Muammar Gaddafi. If you haven't seen his last moments. The man was sodomized with a bayonet, surrounded by Islamic fighters, a lovely way to go, so lovely Hillary busts out in laughter. As a lawyer I'm sure she knows he was killed very unjustly without any trial, very funny Killary.
On October 12 2016 13:38 Chris1 wrote: “We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” the document states. -Excerpt from within the wikileaks email leak
So the democratic government is okay selling arms to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whom Hilary says in her own words is supporting ISIL, oh and bombing civilians, very nice, oh and Russia's the bad guy? Open your eyes, open your mind.
Honestly did you even read the article?
"Pulling back the current offer of battle tanks or freezing some of the tens of billions in weapons and services in the pipeline would send a strong signal to the Saudi leadership that they need stop their indiscriminate bombing campaign and take real steps to prevent civilian casualties."
Washington has been at pains to prove to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf allies that it remains committed to their defense against Iran in the wake of a multinational deal last year to restrict the Iranian nuclear program. Sunni Muslim Gulf states accuse Shi'ite Iran of fomenting instability in the region, which the Islamic Republic denies.
"The more recent deals that have involved resupplying Saudi Arabia with ammunition, bombs, and tanks to replace weaponry used up or damaged in the war in Yemen are no doubt driven in part by the effort to 'reassure' the Saudis that the U.S. will not tilt towards Iran in the wake of the nuclear deal," Hartung said.
“U.S. security cooperation with Saudi Arabia is not a blank check,” Ned Price, spokesman for the White House National Security Council, said in a statement. Price added that the administration is “prepared to adjust our support so as to better align with U.S. principles, values and interests.”
On Monday, Reuters reported that Obama administration lawyers have not reached a conclusion on whether the U.S. is a “co-belligerent” in the conflict according to international law, a distinction that might raise legal risks and obligations. But since the U.S. has flown refueling missions for Saudi aircraft and supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and targeting intelligence, it is complicit in Saudi Arabia’s atrocities by any normal definition.
As Bruce Riedel, a 30-year CIA officer and senior fellow at the Brookings Institute, said in April, “If the United States and the United Kingdom, tonight, told King Salman [of Saudi Arabia] ‘this war has to end,’ it would end tomorrow. The Royal Saudi Air Force cannot operate without American and British support.”
I have no clue what's going on there but it's obvious that the situation is more complex than just "sell arms to country" and "don't sell arms to country", and that Saudi Arabia has more than just one thing going on. It's not as black and white as ok or not ok, there are conflicting interests between the countries where just cutting off supplies will cause more tension.
Hey Mike, I have nothing but respect for you. Your no-nonsense outlook and incredible eloquence have really had a profound impact in my life. Can you please encourage your huge following to go out and vote this election? I would never impose on you by asking you to advocate one politician over another, but I do feel this election could really use your help. I know that there are many people out there who feel like there is nothing they can do. Please try to use your gifts to make them see that they can do something - that their vote counts.
Hi Jeremy
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. I also share your concern for our country, and agree wholeheartedly that every vote counts. However, I’m afraid I can’t encourage millions of people whom I’ve never met to just run out and cast a ballot, simply because they have the right to vote. That would be like encouraging everyone to buy an AR-15, simply because they have the right to bear arms. I would need to know a few things about them before offering that kind of encouragement. For instance, do they know how to care for a weapon? Can they afford the cost of the weapon? Do they have a history of violence? Are they mentally stable? In short, are they responsible citizens?
Casting a ballot is not so different. It’s an important right that we all share, and one that impacts our society in dramatic fashion. But it’s one thing to respect and acknowledge our collective rights, and quite another thing to affirmatively encourage people I've never met to exercise them. And yet, my friends in Hollywood do that very thing, and they're at it again.
Chris1, no, shut up, you're completely wrong, and it's obvious you have no clue what's going on in Yemen.
1) It is entirely possible and even probable individuals within Qatar or Saudi Arabia are funding ISIS, but, just like the whole 9/11 debacle of a bill that was passed, absolutely nothing to suggest the state governments are involved in funding ISIS, when they pose an existential threat to them. ISIS is claiming to be a new caliphate ffs (along with other millenarian apocalyptic beliefs), that means conquering all other Muslim countries and almost certainly wresting control of Mecca and Medina.
2) Yes, Iran is currently funding the Houthi rebels in Yemen. We are well aware they still sponsor "terrorism", Hezbollah etc, and we know the links between the Houthi and Iran.
Yemen in general is an ugly situation, since it's a proxy war between Iran (backing the Houthi) and Saudi Arabia/Sunni Arab states (backing the current government, with US support), with a major Al Qaeda movement forming a third element. Right now, our support of Saudi Arabia is preconditioned on our current alliance with them (and remaining tensions with Iran/Iranian-backed terrorist groups), as well as a need to see Yemen stabilized and not fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, whom hold sizable land, and also because ISIL is beginning to set up operations in Yemen (though irrelevant atm). As much as it pains me to say, since the current government of Yemen isn't...ah, nice (shall we say), and I don't at all envy the position of the Houthi, but here we don't have any other options in intervening here besides supporting the Saudis, as we do not have (yet) the option of supporting the Iranian-backed Houthis rebels, unless we want to antagonize the major Arab coalition that's bearing down on Yemen, and we are quite interested in making sure AQ or ISIL don't remain in control or exert any more influence in Yemen, period.
I also have no idea what this has to do with Hillary Clinton, since the escalation of Yemen into civil war was after her term in office as SecState.
On October 12 2016 14:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Chris1, no, shut up, you're completely wrong, and it's obvious you have no clue what's going on in Yemen.
1) It is entirely possible and even probable individuals within Qatar or Saudi Arabia are funding ISIS, but, just like the whole 9/11 debacle of a bill that was passed, absolutely nothing to suggest the state governments are involved in funding ISIS, when they pose an existential threat to them. ISIS is claiming to be a new caliphate ffs (along with other millenarian apocalyptic beliefs), that means conquering all other Muslim countries and almost certainly wresting control of Mecca and Medina.
2) Yes, Iran is currently funding the Houthi rebels in Yemen. We are well aware they still sponsor "terrorism", Hezbollah etc, and we know the links between the Houthi and Iran.
Yemen in general is an ugly situation, since it's a proxy war between Iran (backing the Houthi) and Saudi Arabia/Sunni Arab states (backing the current government, with US support), with a major Al Qaeda movement forming a third element. Right now, our support of Saudi Arabia is preconditioned on our current alliance with them (and remaining tensions with Iran/Iranian-backed terrorist groups), as well as a need to see Yemen stabilized and not fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, whom hold sizable land, and also because ISIL is beginning to set up operations in Yemen (though irrelevant atm). As much as it pains me to say, since the current government of Yemen isn't...ah, nice (shall we say), and I don't at all envy the position of the Houthi, but here we don't have any other options in intervening here besides supporting the Saudis, as we do not have (yet) the option of supporting the Iranian-backed Houthis rebels, unless we want to antagonize the major Arab coalition that's bearing down on Yemen, and we are quite interested in making sure AQ or ISIL don't remain in control or exert any more influence in Yemen, period.
I also have no idea what this has to do with Hillary Clinton, since the escalation of Yemen into civil war was after her term in office as SecState.
3) ...what was that video suppose to show again?
I can't even take you serious when you open up like that. But, I will respond to the video part, it's a video about Hillary laughing about the brutal murder of someone. Perhaps you'd laugh about it too?
Also, you say individuals, but if you believe the emails, and the leak, Hillary herself said the government specifically supporting Isil, for what reason or purpose I don't know, neither do you.
On October 12 2016 14:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Chris1, no, shut up, you're completely wrong, and it's obvious you have no clue what's going on in Yemen.
1) It is entirely possible and even probable individuals within Qatar or Saudi Arabia are funding ISIS, but, just like the whole 9/11 debacle of a bill that was passed, absolutely nothing to suggest the state governments are involved in funding ISIS, when they pose an existential threat to them. ISIS is claiming to be a new caliphate ffs (along with other millenarian apocalyptic beliefs), that means conquering all other Muslim countries and almost certainly wresting control of Mecca and Medina.
2) Yes, Iran is currently funding the Houthi rebels in Yemen. We are well aware they still sponsor "terrorism", Hezbollah etc, and we know the links between the Houthi and Iran.
Yemen in general is an ugly situation, since it's a proxy war between Iran (backing the Houthi) and Saudi Arabia/Sunni Arab states (backing the current government, with US support), with a major Al Qaeda movement forming a third element. Right now, our support of Saudi Arabia is preconditioned on our current alliance with them (and remaining tensions with Iran/Iranian-backed terrorist groups), as well as a need to see Yemen stabilized and not fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, whom hold sizable land, and also because ISIL is beginning to set up operations in Yemen (though irrelevant atm). As much as it pains me to say, since the current government of Yemen isn't...ah, nice (shall we say), and I don't at all envy the position of the Houthi, but here we don't have any other options in intervening here besides supporting the Saudis, as we do not have (yet) the option of supporting the Iranian-backed Houthis rebels, unless we want to antagonize the major Arab coalition that's bearing down on Yemen, and we are quite interested in making sure AQ or ISIL don't remain in control or exert any more influence in Yemen, period.
I also have no idea what this has to do with Hillary Clinton, since the escalation of Yemen into civil war was after her term in office as SecState.
3) ...what was that video suppose to show again?
I can't even take you serious when you open up like that. But, I will respond to the video part, it's a video about Hillary laughing about the brutal murder of someone. Perhaps you'd laugh about it too?
...no, I'm pretty sure it showed Hillary laughing about an amusing coincidence. Hard to tell with the context chopped off and all the random stuff which came afterward though.
If you'd like to respond to the actual substance of Tolkien's post though, feel free to do so.
On October 12 2016 14:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Chris1, no, shut up, you're completely wrong, and it's obvious you have no clue what's going on in Yemen.
1) It is entirely possible and even probable individuals within Qatar or Saudi Arabia are funding ISIS, but, just like the whole 9/11 debacle of a bill that was passed, absolutely nothing to suggest the state governments are involved in funding ISIS, when they pose an existential threat to them. ISIS is claiming to be a new caliphate ffs (along with other millenarian apocalyptic beliefs), that means conquering all other Muslim countries and almost certainly wresting control of Mecca and Medina.
2) Yes, Iran is currently funding the Houthi rebels in Yemen. We are well aware they still sponsor "terrorism", Hezbollah etc, and we know the links between the Houthi and Iran.
Yemen in general is an ugly situation, since it's a proxy war between Iran (backing the Houthi) and Saudi Arabia/Sunni Arab states (backing the current government, with US support), with a major Al Qaeda movement forming a third element. Right now, our support of Saudi Arabia is preconditioned on our current alliance with them (and remaining tensions with Iran/Iranian-backed terrorist groups), as well as a need to see Yemen stabilized and not fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, whom hold sizable land, and also because ISIL is beginning to set up operations in Yemen (though irrelevant atm). As much as it pains me to say, since the current government of Yemen isn't...ah, nice (shall we say), and I don't at all envy the position of the Houthi, but here we don't have any other options in intervening here besides supporting the Saudis, as we do not have (yet) the option of supporting the Iranian-backed Houthis rebels, unless we want to antagonize the major Arab coalition that's bearing down on Yemen, and we are quite interested in making sure AQ or ISIL don't remain in control or exert any more influence in Yemen, period.
I also have no idea what this has to do with Hillary Clinton, since the escalation of Yemen into civil war was after her term in office as SecState.
3) ...what was that video suppose to show again?
I can't even take you serious when you open up like that. But, I will respond to the video part, it's a video about Hillary laughing about the brutal murder of someone. Perhaps you'd laugh about it too?
...no, I'm pretty sure it showed Hillary laughing about an amusing coincidence. Hard to tell with the context chopped off and all the random stuff which came afterward though.
If you'd like to respond to the actual substance of Tolkien's post though, feel free to do so.
Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group. I wont even bring up the 3rd world level atrocities that happen over there on a regular basis due to their Sharia law.
On October 12 2016 14:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Chris1, no, shut up, you're completely wrong, and it's obvious you have no clue what's going on in Yemen.
1) It is entirely possible and even probable individuals within Qatar or Saudi Arabia are funding ISIS, but, just like the whole 9/11 debacle of a bill that was passed, absolutely nothing to suggest the state governments are involved in funding ISIS, when they pose an existential threat to them. ISIS is claiming to be a new caliphate ffs (along with other millenarian apocalyptic beliefs), that means conquering all other Muslim countries and almost certainly wresting control of Mecca and Medina.
2) Yes, Iran is currently funding the Houthi rebels in Yemen. We are well aware they still sponsor "terrorism", Hezbollah etc, and we know the links between the Houthi and Iran.
Yemen in general is an ugly situation, since it's a proxy war between Iran (backing the Houthi) and Saudi Arabia/Sunni Arab states (backing the current government, with US support), with a major Al Qaeda movement forming a third element. Right now, our support of Saudi Arabia is preconditioned on our current alliance with them (and remaining tensions with Iran/Iranian-backed terrorist groups), as well as a need to see Yemen stabilized and not fall into the hands of Al Qaeda, whom hold sizable land, and also because ISIL is beginning to set up operations in Yemen (though irrelevant atm). As much as it pains me to say, since the current government of Yemen isn't...ah, nice (shall we say), and I don't at all envy the position of the Houthi, but here we don't have any other options in intervening here besides supporting the Saudis, as we do not have (yet) the option of supporting the Iranian-backed Houthis rebels, unless we want to antagonize the major Arab coalition that's bearing down on Yemen, and we are quite interested in making sure AQ or ISIL don't remain in control or exert any more influence in Yemen, period.
I also have no idea what this has to do with Hillary Clinton, since the escalation of Yemen into civil war was after her term in office as SecState.
3) ...what was that video suppose to show again?
I can't even take you serious when you open up like that. But, I will respond to the video part, it's a video about Hillary laughing about the brutal murder of someone. Perhaps you'd laugh about it too?
That weird moment when the American right mourns Gaddafi.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
Let's see, have you even seen anything on the news about the air strikes in Yemen? Nope, barely anything, but I'm sure you've heard a lot of them evil Russians bombing the shit out of kids in Aleppo, right? The Russians are supporting Assad on one side in Syria, while the gulf states are supporting the "moderate" rebels on the other side. Where's Hillary talking about womens rights in Saudi Arabia, or them bombing innocent civilians? Oh wait.. BLAME DA RUSSIANS FOR HACKING! And Trump said pussy 11 years ago.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
Let's see, have you even seen anything on the news about the air strikes in Yemen? Nope, barely anything, but I'm sure you've heard a lot of them evil Russians bombing the shit out of kids in Aleppo, right? The Russians are supporting Assad on one side in Syria, while the gulf states are supporting the "moderate" rebels on the other side. Where's Hillary talking about womens rights in Saudi Arabia, or them bombing innocent civilians? Oh wait.. BLAME DA RUSSIANS FOR HACKING!
I'll let somebody more familiar with US news coverage have this one.
...And Trump said pussy 11 years ago.
Oh come on, we both know that's not the actual problem with what Trump said.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
Let's see, have you even seen anything on the news about the air strikes in Yemen? Nope, barely anything, but I'm sure you've heard a lot of them evil Russians bombing the shit out of kids in Aleppo, right? The Russians are supporting Assad on one side in Syria, while the gulf states are supporting the "moderate" rebels on the other side. Where's Hillary talking about womens rights in Saudi Arabia, or them bombing innocent civilians? Oh wait.. BLAME DA RUSSIANS FOR HACKING!
I'll let somebody more familiar with US news coverage have this one.
Yemen has always been very sparsely mentioned in the US news, now and before. Not sure Aleppo has seen all that much coverage, but Hillary mentioned it in the last debate. Hacking has been mentioned very frequently of course.
"Western world" and the US need not be synonymous in this context however.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
Let's see, have you even seen anything on the news about the air strikes in Yemen? Nope, barely anything, but I'm sure you've heard a lot of them evil Russians bombing the shit out of kids in Aleppo, right? The Russians are supporting Assad on one side in Syria, while the gulf states are supporting the "moderate" rebels on the other side. Where's Hillary talking about womens rights in Saudi Arabia, or them bombing innocent civilians? Oh wait.. BLAME DA RUSSIANS FOR HACKING!
I'll let somebody more familiar with US news coverage have this one.
Oh come on, we both know that's not the actual problem with what Trump said.
I think you give him more credit than he deserves. He probably does think we're upset that Trump said a rude word, and not that he said that he likes to sexually assault women because when you're rich like him they can't do anything.
On October 12 2016 04:22 KwarK wrote: I feel like the Christians are having a lot of fun trying to incorporate Trumpianity into their dogma. He's literally everything Jesus was telling people reject. This is a good year.
I think it's a pretty good indicator of how many still believe they can make Christians by the law- a sort of top down approach of the old Moral Majority variety, despite Trump representing the opposite of what the Moral Majority hoped in their politicians. There still seems to be many still wedded to the idea that if only the law of land can be more Christian, America can be fixed... never mind that the younger generations are walking away, which would be a problem with the bottom that no top down law can fix. The prosperity gospel guys make sense to me, but I have a hard time understanding the rest lining up for Trump, except that political allegiances seems to be inherited as much as anything else. I think there have been some very consistent pastors of the Calvinist variety that have said Nope and Noper to Trump and Clinton and are either not voting or else voting third party, but not nearly enough.
On October 12 2016 14:47 Chris1 wrote: ... Biden even admits that at SOME point the Saudi's were supporting extremists in Syria. I'm really trying to get out the point that the western world judges Russia like it's the devil and never even brings up the gulf states, which could of directly funded the initial growth of the terrorist group.
No matter how true it is that the Gulf states were or are responsible for funding extremists, I don't see what that has to do with Russia one way or the other.
Let's see, have you even seen anything on the news about the air strikes in Yemen? Nope, barely anything, but I'm sure you've heard a lot of them evil Russians bombing the shit out of kids in Aleppo, right? The Russians are supporting Assad on one side in Syria, while the gulf states are supporting the "moderate" rebels on the other side. Where's Hillary talking about womens rights in Saudi Arabia, or them bombing innocent civilians? Oh wait.. BLAME DA RUSSIANS FOR HACKING!
I'll let somebody more familiar with US news coverage have this one.
...And Trump said pussy 11 years ago.
Oh come on, we both know that's not the actual problem with what Trump said.
I think you give him more credit than he deserves. He probably does think we're upset that Trump said a rude word, and not that he said that he likes to sexually assault women because when you're rich like him they can't do anything.
Can we also not pretend this was some sort of revelation for many of the people acting disgusted? Not limited to, but including the Clintons.
Hillary laughing about the 12 year old girl in the rape case she defended, laughing about the brutal murder of Ghadaffi and apparently, talking about having Assange droned, they all mean nothing, eh?
By the way we've already had a rapist in the white house with Bill Clinton and you Democrats didn't seem to mind, so why all the Trump rape hate?
On October 12 2016 15:28 Chris1 wrote: Hillary laughing about the 12 year old girl in the rape case she defended, laughing about the brutal murder of Ghadaffi and apparently, talking about having Assange droned, they all mean nothing, eh?
You've wilfully misrepresented the first and the second, and the only cause to believe the third is a rumor spread by Assange himself AFAIK so... yes, untrue/dubious statements don't mean much, that's corrrect.
On October 12 2016 15:28 Chris1 wrote: Hillary laughing about the 12 year old girl in the rape case she defended, laughing about the brutal murder of Ghadaffi and apparently, talking about having Assange droned, they all mean nothing, eh?
You've wilfully misrepresented the first and the second, and the only cause to believe the third is a rumor spread by Assange himself AFAIK so... yes, untrue/dubious statements don't mean much, that's corrrect.
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