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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
October 05 2016 22:57 GMT
#107021
Fair enough, I didn't know that about the US system and I'm not aware of such a law here.

I'm not being critical her taking the case btw. Just that bardtown wasn't saying what you guys were saying he was saying.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 05 2016 22:59 GMT
#107022
On October 06 2016 07:57 Amarok wrote:
Fair enough, I didn't know that about the US system and I'm not aware of such a law here.

I'm not being critical her taking the case btw. Just that bardtown wasn't saying what you guys were saying he was saying.

you seem to not be accounting for his previous posting today on the topic.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 05 2016 23:02 GMT
#107023
That he didn't know what he was talking about, but still felt himself qualified to speak on, kind of is what he was criticized for.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 23:12:47
October 05 2016 23:05 GMT
#107024
I dunno, from pretty early on I read his posts as being critical of someone laughing at the situation rather than taking the case but this has gone on long enough so I'll leave it there.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 23:14:35
October 05 2016 23:12 GMT
#107025
On October 06 2016 08:05 Amarok wrote:
I dunno, from pretty early on I read his posts as being critical of someone laughing at situation rather than taking the case but this has gone on long enough so I'll leave it there.

That is a very charitable view of his point and basically disregards the entire section of moral outrage about her even taking the case. But that argument is flawed because he is saying that it is inappropriate for a defense attorney laugh about any aspect of a tragic case. Ever. Even in private. That they can never find humor in any aspect of a case with a peer and display stoic respect every part of their their private life. It is a completely unreasonable standard and that is why he got called out on it.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 23:21:34
October 05 2016 23:21 GMT
#107026
And insofar as I understood the conversation, she was laughing mirthlessly about the absurdity of using a polygraph for evidence, and not gleefully about getting a child molester an excellent plea bargain.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 05 2016 23:34 GMT
#107027
This is hilarious, don't know why I didn't expect it : http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/05/donald_trump_jealous_that_mike_pence_did_well_in_debate_reports_say.html
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 23:36:39
October 05 2016 23:35 GMT
#107028
On October 06 2016 07:31 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 06:56 Falling wrote:
On October 06 2016 06:03 bardtown wrote:
On October 06 2016 05:25 Falling wrote:
On October 06 2016 04:56 bardtown wrote:
You're all sick, actually. Who jumps to the defence of a lawyer who laughs about getting someone off who they were convinced raped a child? You're defending her because you hate Trump, and you ought to take a long hard look at yourselves.

I'm not defending a lawyer who laughs. I am defending the justice system that begins with 'innocent until proven guilty', which has the unfortunate side effect of letting certain guilty parties walk free but locks away less innocent people. I mean, isn't that one of the big complaints these days? That men accused of heinous acts are more likely to be disbelieved despite being innocent? It's for all those other men who may be falsely accused that a lawyer is required to defend. If we believe in due process, than the process must be gone through, bugs and all so that we can be secure in the knowledge (within reasonable doubt) that the people we lock away were not falsely accused and pre-judged. But someone has to do the dirty of work of defending real and heinous criminals so that the system can filter out the innocent. But we cannot really know if they are guilty or not until they have had a fair trial... and that requires a defence lawyer.


I'm not attacking a lawyer who doesn't laugh. At the very least you have to admit that it is distasteful.

The quote I was responding to from you had nothing to do with laughing whether in good taste or not.
You wrote:
Trump dodged taxes using legal loopholes. Hillary helped a child molester she was convinced was guilty walk free. Morally, I'd take Trump. No doubt she's smarter, though, but Trump spews unprocessed meaningless drivel; Hillary spews well calculated, well acted lies. The whole campaign process is so incredibly shady, too. So much money from so many questionable sources. Personally, I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them without feeling at least a little sick.


That was your point of complaint- she was less moral than Trump for representing her client fully. The comparison was business loopholes vs lawyers. There was nothing in there about her being less moral for laughing.

...also. Maybe she's fighting the good fight against the PC moral crusaders with her distasteful laughing


Got it, so my crime here is elaborating on my position in a second post. Forget about Hillary; put yourself in that situation. As far as you're concerned, this man raped this girl. The prosecution are incompetent and you are not. Do you take the case? Personally, I wouldn't, but I can understand the argument for doing so and I don't know the extent to which she protested the situation, etc. Fast forward a while. You're now reminiscing about the time a man you were convinced raped a 12 year old girl got off with 2 months (essentially nothing considering the crime). What, I wonder, is going through your head? Is it amusing to you, or does it make you angry/depressed?

I'm trying to understand why I need to try to explain this. There's a huge child abuse inquiry going on in the UK right now and just the thought of somebody involved in the case joking about any aspect of it makes me feel ill. It would be career/social suicide. But not for Hillary. Why? Because she's up against Trump.


You obviously never had to deal with horrible things before in a professional sense and know how people deal with having to handle those things. She did even try to get off the case but was denied I don't know what you want...Her to purposefully throw the case? So then the guy could get off scott free because of bad representation?

Go listen to that conversation and the context of it. She wasn't gleefully having a laugh about her accomplishment with her bros after work.
Never Knows Best.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6646 Posts
October 05 2016 23:37 GMT
#107029
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 05 2016 23:38 GMT
#107030
On October 06 2016 08:02 LegalLord wrote:
That he didn't know what he was talking about, but still felt himself qualified to speak on, kind of is what he was criticized for.


This applies to around 95% of this thread
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 23:43:01
October 05 2016 23:40 GMT
#107031
On October 06 2016 08:34 Nevuk wrote:
This is hilarious, don't know why I didn't expect it : http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/05/donald_trump_jealous_that_mike_pence_did_well_in_debate_reports_say.html


"CNN’s John King, reporting from a source close to Trump, that the reviews that Pence did better then he did won’t go over well with Trump"


"Trump adviser on debate after Pence passed up opportunities to defend him: "Pence won overall, but lost with Trump"


"God willing, Donald Trump is going to fire Mike Pence tonight and put Ivanka, Newt, Don Junior, or Omarosa on the ticket."


God willing, we can find better campaign journalism than gossip tabloids. What is this the shitty entertainment magazine at on the checkout stands you see while waiting in line at the gas station?





Oh yea I can just feel the jealousy

On October 06 2016 08:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 08:34 Nevuk wrote:
This is hilarious, don't know why I didn't expect it : http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/05/donald_trump_jealous_that_mike_pence_did_well_in_debate_reports_say.html

I ignore these "someone in the campaign said" tweets on both sides.


This.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 05 2016 23:41 GMT
#107032
On October 06 2016 08:34 Nevuk wrote:
This is hilarious, don't know why I didn't expect it : http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/05/donald_trump_jealous_that_mike_pence_did_well_in_debate_reports_say.html

I ignore these "someone in the campaign said" tweets on both sides.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 05 2016 23:42 GMT
#107033
On October 06 2016 08:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/783660227530862592

This comment is a bit rich from Trump, though.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9254 Posts
October 05 2016 23:48 GMT
#107034
On October 06 2016 08:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 08:34 Nevuk wrote:
This is hilarious, don't know why I didn't expect it : http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/05/donald_trump_jealous_that_mike_pence_did_well_in_debate_reports_say.html

I ignore these "someone in the campaign said" tweets on both sides.

Yeah and this is even shoddier than the usual hearsay, the usage of 'won't' makes it a prediction rather than an observation as Slate pretends in the title
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
October 05 2016 23:51 GMT
#107035
"At a Trump Rally in Reno" will be the title of an amazing short story someday, I'm sure of it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6646 Posts
October 05 2016 23:53 GMT
#107036
On October 06 2016 08:51 farvacola wrote:
"At a Trump Rally in Reno" will be the title of an amazing short story someday, I'm sure of it.

I strongly hope it doesn't have any Johnny Cash references.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 05 2016 23:59 GMT
#107037
On October 06 2016 08:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
What is this the shitty entertainment magazine at on the checkout stands you see while waiting in line at the gas station?


That's the one that Donald relied upon in an argument against Ted Cruz during a presidential campaign.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 06 2016 00:00 GMT
#107038
Mistakes were made.
Clinton Foundation officials quietly refiled three years of tax-related forms this week after the New York attorney general acknowledged the charity had failed to disclose all of its donors in accordance with state law.

Two entities operating within the Clintons' sprawling philanthropic network — the Clinton Health Access Initiative and the Clinton Global Initiative — submitted supplementary financial disclosures for different years between 2012 and 2014 while denying Tuesday that the attorney general's office had asked them to do so.

"The Clinton Foundation is properly registered to solicit funds under Article 7A, which requires organizations to register before they solicit funds in New York," said Ricardo Castro, general counsel for the Clinton Foundation.

Donald Trump's eponymous foundation was issued a cease-and-desist letter Monday from the New York attorney general's office over the charity's failure to register under that same statute.

Washington Examiner
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 06 2016 00:20 GMT
#107039
If you've got $3 and 80 minutes to spare, this is a great documentary that Donald utilized his lawyer dogs to suppress in 1991:

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 06 2016 00:29 GMT
#107040
On October 06 2016 09:00 Danglars wrote:
Mistakes were made.
Show nested quote +
Clinton Foundation officials quietly refiled three years of tax-related forms this week after the New York attorney general acknowledged the charity had failed to disclose all of its donors in accordance with state law.

Two entities operating within the Clintons' sprawling philanthropic network — the Clinton Health Access Initiative and the Clinton Global Initiative — submitted supplementary financial disclosures for different years between 2012 and 2014 while denying Tuesday that the attorney general's office had asked them to do so.

"The Clinton Foundation is properly registered to solicit funds under Article 7A, which requires organizations to register before they solicit funds in New York," said Ricardo Castro, general counsel for the Clinton Foundation.

Donald Trump's eponymous foundation was issued a cease-and-desist letter Monday from the New York attorney general's office over the charity's failure to register under that same statute.

Washington Examiner

As long as they were not using funds to buy 10 foot paintings of Bill, I think they will be in the clear with some missing paperwork.
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