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On September 24 2016 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 05:57 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:42 Slaughter wrote:On September 24 2016 05:36 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:33 Slaughter wrote:On September 24 2016 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 oBlade wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in?
I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? What would a non-racist say? Because from here the presumption is everyone is racist but you're only excused if you say "I know I'm racist but I'm working on it" and proselytize at the rest of the world. And this is the problem with the over-expansive definition of racism that the PC left has adopted: if everyone is a racist, then no one is. There is a difference between having racial biases and being a racist. Everyone has the biases but not everyone is racist. However you guys on the right like to group them as one to construct a strawman to argue against. No, it's not a strawman. What's really being argued by the left is that what makes me a racist is my inability to admit or recognize my "racial bias." If I simply admitted my racial biases, then I'd be able to discard the stigma of being a racist. This is simply an incomprehensibly stupid distinction to make, which is why I reject it, and distill down the left's position to "everyone is a racist." I'd argue the arguments made against you being a racist are not due to that fact, but are the result of some of your other thoughts. The fact that you don't think you have a racial bias is the thing that prevents you from recognizing when you are saying racially offensive things. And yes despite your ruffled feathers, condensing it do "everyone is racist" is a ridiculous strawman and part of the reason why some people don't take you as arguing in good faith. Let's just put aside the paragon example of yours truly, and let's talk about average joe to get right to the point. I will admit that the average joe is going to have some inherent racial biases that are inherent in pretty much all of us. When average joe sees a man walking down the sidewalk towards him, he's going to profile that person and come to different conclusions upon whether that man is a threat based upon what average joe is able to perceive. One of the factors considered will be race. And I'll further admit that the perceived threat will be higher at the margin (to one degree or another depending upon the circumstances) if the man is black. I refuse to call average joe a racist merely for running through that calculus. It takes more than that. See, I don't think that makes joe a racist either. This is why I (and others) are saying you don't understand the argument being made.
Feel free to provide a definition of racism.
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On September 24 2016 05:57 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 05:42 Slaughter wrote:On September 24 2016 05:36 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:33 Slaughter wrote:On September 24 2016 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 oBlade wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:
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I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? What would a non-racist say? Because from here the presumption is everyone is racist but you're only excused if you say "I know I'm racist but I'm working on it" and proselytize at the rest of the world. And this is the problem with the over-expansive definition of racism that the PC left has adopted: if everyone is a racist, then no one is. There is a difference between having racial biases and being a racist. Everyone has the biases but not everyone is racist. However you guys on the right like to group them as one to construct a strawman to argue against. No, it's not a strawman. What's really being argued by the left is that what makes me a racist is my inability to admit or recognize my "racial bias." If I simply admitted my racial biases, then I'd be able to discard the stigma of being a racist. This is simply an incomprehensibly stupid distinction to make, which is why I reject it, and distill down the left's position to "everyone is a racist." I'd argue the arguments made against you being a racist are not due to that fact, but are the result of some of your other thoughts. The fact that you don't think you have a racial bias is the thing that prevents you from recognizing when you are saying racially offensive things. And yes despite your ruffled feathers, condensing it do "everyone is racist" is a ridiculous strawman and part of the reason why some people don't take you as arguing in good faith. Let's just put aside the paragon example of yours truly, and let's talk about average joe to get right to the point. I will admit that the average joe is going to have some inherent racial biases that are inherent in pretty much all of us. When average joe sees a man walking down the sidewalk towards him, he's going to profile that person and come to different conclusions upon whether that man is a threat based upon what average joe is able to perceive. One of the factors considered will be race. And I'll further admit that the perceived threat will be higher at the margin (to one degree or another depending upon the circumstances) if the man is black. I refuse to call average joe a racist merely for running through that calculus. It takes more than that.
Your putting the cart before the horse...
Your defense of 'I dont see race' did not come into being until after you were accused of being racist no?
So once again your trying to argue the completely wrong point.
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On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:53 ragz_gt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:44 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:31 ChristianS wrote:On September 24 2016 01:21 xDaunt wrote:
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Racial realism is an idea from the alt right that there are differences between the races that should be recognized and accounted for as opposed to washing over those differences with the artificial (ie "the not real") construct of liberal/progressive egalitarianism. Depending upon how you define the alt right, different factions of the alt right reach different conclusions from this perspective, ranging from advocacy for western culture to advocacy for white nationalism. So if I understand correctly: -Racial realism is the idea that there are innate differences between races (sometimes called essentialism). Unclear whether these essentialist classifications imply a superior/inferior dynamic (although historically they almost always have). The bolded part is more or less correct. The one thing left out is that the racial realist does not believe it to be taboo to discuss these things -- ie current paradigms of political correctness are no hindrance to the conversation. As for the unbolded part, racial realism doesn't imply any sort of out of outcome to the inquiry. It's a merely a perspective on the debate. Think of it as the equivalent to Marxism and history. -Danglars believes there is a campaign against this essentialism, and considers it a sobering thought that this campaign might not stop at some point. I'll leave it to Danglars to explain what he thinks on this point. -xDaunt considers this the part that people on the "other side of the issue" like me always struggle with. To be very precise, what I believe that the PC crowd struggles with is understanding how their racial policies of the past few generations have impacted the types of people who are now supporting Trump or who are turning to things like the alt right and its derivatives. Are xDaunt and Danglars actually arguing that innate differences between races exist such that we should treat members of different races differently? Is that not an absolutely textbook definition of racism? I'll let Danglars speak for himself. As for me, I'm merely pointing out why there's a large contingent of Americans who are bucking the current PC norms. Again, race means essentially nothing to me as a politically significant classification. Are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise for Danglars? I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist.
what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X.
or X does that, therefore you can't do X.
but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for.
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On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:53 ragz_gt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:44 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:31 ChristianS wrote:
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So if I understand correctly:
-Racial realism is the idea that there are innate differences between races (sometimes called essentialism). Unclear whether these essentialist classifications imply a superior/inferior dynamic (although historically they almost always have). The bolded part is more or less correct. The one thing left out is that the racial realist does not believe it to be taboo to discuss these things -- ie current paradigms of political correctness are no hindrance to the conversation. As for the unbolded part, racial realism doesn't imply any sort of out of outcome to the inquiry. It's a merely a perspective on the debate. Think of it as the equivalent to Marxism and history. -Danglars believes there is a campaign against this essentialism, and considers it a sobering thought that this campaign might not stop at some point. I'll leave it to Danglars to explain what he thinks on this point. -xDaunt considers this the part that people on the "other side of the issue" like me always struggle with. To be very precise, what I believe that the PC crowd struggles with is understanding how their racial policies of the past few generations have impacted the types of people who are now supporting Trump or who are turning to things like the alt right and its derivatives. Are xDaunt and Danglars actually arguing that innate differences between races exist such that we should treat members of different races differently? Is that not an absolutely textbook definition of racism? I'll let Danglars speak for himself. As for me, I'm merely pointing out why there's a large contingent of Americans who are bucking the current PC norms. Again, race means essentially nothing to me as a politically significant classification. Are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise for Danglars? I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for.
XDaunt was accused of being a racist.
his defense was 'I don't see race'.
My response is 'That's what every racist says'.
'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that.
His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist.
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A globe-trotting American investment banker who's built a career on deals with Russia and its state-run gas company, Carter Page says his business has suffered directly from the U.S. economic sanctions imposed after Russia's escalating involvement in the Ukraine. When Donald Trump named him last week as one of his foreign-policy advisers, Page says his e-mail inbox filled up with positive notes from Russian contacts. “So many people who I know and have worked with have been so adversely affected by the sanctions policy,” Page said in a two-hour interview last week. “There's a lot of excitement in terms of the possibilities for creating a better situation.”
Over the course of his campaign, Trump has been a contrarian on Russia, floating the idea of reducing the American commitment to NATO and calling Russian President Vladimir Putin a “strong leader.” “I think I would have a very good relationship with Putin,” he said last year. So it makes sense that Trump tapped Page for his foreign-policy team. In writings posted online, Page is a reliable defender of Russian intentions, and portrays U.S. policymakers as stuck in an outdated Cold War mindset.
Bloomberg, 3/30/16
Imagine the positions Republicans would take on this in the pre-Trump days.
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On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:53 ragz_gt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:44 xDaunt wrote:
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The bolded part is more or less correct. The one thing left out is that the racial realist does not believe it to be taboo to discuss these things -- ie current paradigms of political correctness are no hindrance to the conversation. As for the unbolded part, racial realism doesn't imply any sort of out of outcome to the inquiry. It's a merely a perspective on the debate. Think of it as the equivalent to Marxism and history.
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I'll leave it to Danglars to explain what he thinks on this point.
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To be very precise, what I believe that the PC crowd struggles with is understanding how their racial policies of the past few generations have impacted the types of people who are now supporting Trump or who are turning to things like the alt right and its derivatives.
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I'll let Danglars speak for himself.
As for me, I'm merely pointing out why there's a large contingent of Americans who are bucking the current PC norms. Again, race means essentially nothing to me as a politically significant classification. Are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise for Danglars? I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist.
'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this?
ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument.
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In the final sprint to Election Day, a new Associated Press-GfK poll underscores those daunting roadblocks for Donald Trump as he tries to overtake Hillary Clinton.
Trump undoubtedly has a passionate base of support, seen clearly among the thousands of backers who fill the stands at his signature rallies. But most people don't share that fervor. Only 29 percent of registered voters would be excited and just 24 percent would be proud should Trump prevail in November.
Only one in four voters find him even somewhat civil or compassionate, and just a third say he's not at all racist.
To be sure, the nation is sour on Clinton, too. Only 39 percent of voters have a favorable view of the Democratic nominee, compared to the 56 percent who view her unfavorably. Less than a third say they would be excited or proud should she move into the White House.
But as poorly as voters may view Clinton, they think even less of Trump.
Forty-four percent say they would be afraid if Clinton, the former secretary of state, is elected, far less than the 56 percent who say the same of Trump. He's viewed more unfavorably than favorably by a 61 percent to 34 percent margin, and more say their unfavorable opinion of the New Yorker is a strong one than say the same of Clinton, 50 percent to 44 percent.
That deep distain for both candidates prompts three-quarters of voters to say that a big reason they'll be casting their ballot is to stop someone, rather than elect someone.
Roughly half of voters see Clinton at least somewhat qualified, while just 30 percent say Trump is.
Even when it comes to what may be Clinton's greatest weakness, the perception that she is dishonest, Trump fails to perform much better: 71 percent say she's only slightly or not at all honest, while 66 percent say the same of Trump. Forty-nine percent say Clinton is at least somewhat corrupt, but 43 percent say that of Trump.
Trump finds no respite with voters when it comes to what he vows to do as president, either.
Nearly 6 in 10 oppose his promise to build a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, and only 21 percent of his supporters and 9 percent of registered voters overall are very confident he would succeed at fulfilling his promise that Mexico would pay for the construction.
Six in 10 believe there should be a way for immigrants living in the country illegally to become U.S. citizens — a view that Trump opposes.
Beyond immigration, voters say they trust Clinton over Trump by wide margins when it comes to health care, race relations and negotiations with Russia. She also narrowly tops Trump when it comes to filling Supreme Court vacancies, as well as another of the billionaire's signature issues: handling international trade.
Trump is narrowly favored on creating jobs, 39 percent to 35 percent, while in general, voters are about equally split on which candidate would better handle the economy. Voters are slightly more likely to trust Trump than Clinton on handling gun laws, 39 percent to 35 percent.
Voters are closely split on which candidate would better handle protecting the country and evenly divided on which would better handle the threat posed by the Islamic State group. And Americans are much more likely to say they trust Clinton than Trump to do a better job handling the U.S. image abroad.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ba077399b8db4fc282127aca3a12d877/ap-gfk-poll-majority-americans-fear-trump-presidency
http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/September-2016-AP-GfK-Poll-Topline-TrumpClinton1.pdf
Skipped the parts not pertaining to the poll itself
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On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 04:53 ragz_gt wrote:
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Are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise for Danglars? I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. Show nested quote +'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument.
The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase.
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On September 24 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:
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I know what Danglars was saying, but given the penchant of certain shitposters to liberally label people as racists when this topic comes up, I'd rather not say anything inadvertently that results in him dealing with a bunch of needless shit. I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in? I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument. The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase.
Could start with this one?
Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
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On a poll-related note, the pneumonia, deplorables comments, and latest batch of emails seem to have had no long-term effect (or at least not one Trump managed to avoid pissing away). Unless all the polls are wackily off, the race is back in the 2-4 point advantage Clinton territory it was before that (with quite a few Clinton +5's from polls that don't have a Dem house effect, though the +7 does lean Dem).
Teflon Clinton at it again.
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On September 24 2016 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I know you don't think you're racist, but do you at least admit to yourself that you do and say racist things? Or do you genuinely believe you are impervious to the undeniably racist culture you grew up in?
I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument. The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase. Could start with this one? Show nested quote +Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
Yep, I'll accept that as an instance of racism.
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On September 24 2016 06:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:13 xDaunt wrote:
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I'll be the first to say that I'm politically incorrect and that I fully embrace -- and even flaunt -- that trait. But I find it particularly amusing that people accuse me of racism or white supremacy or of having grown up in a "racist culture" when my family is about as multi-racial as it gets. Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Africans, Chinese, and Indians are all represented. This is why race means nothing to me. I get why some people may think that I say racist things, but those people have the wrong definition of racism for all of the reasons that I have listed over the past couple of days (and previously). It's really as simple as that. Again with this 'I don't see race' argument. All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument. The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase. Could start with this one? Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Yep, I'll accept that as an instance of racism.
Would you consider it a complete definition?
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On September 23 2016 11:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems. Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right. I think at this point, white people feel racism too. Especially with the rise of BLM. And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students. I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like. Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember.
Hi.
I am a high school student in the USA, half white and half east Asian, can confirm that my asian-american literature teacher just guilt tripped over 90% of the world by having us write about white privilege as a graded assignment. How would you even grade that? It's so subjective and my SJW teacher is the kind of person to give slightly lower grades for disagreeing with her ideas. I also had to read "it's a right-handed world," which can probably speak for itself.
Half of me feels like this class is terrible because of the thinly veiled "hate on whites" theme, the other (Asian) half believes it is alright. That feels like major guilt tripping to me. To make it worse, my high school is ranked in the top 150 in the nation and in the top 4 in my city (to be fair, it's a huge city). This woman is tenured and cannot be removed from her job, not even by the school's principal.
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On September 24 2016 06:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:31 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 05:26 Gorsameth wrote:
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Again with this 'I don't see race' argument.
All it means to me is that your utterly blind to your prejudice.
'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument. The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase. Could start with this one? Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Yep, I'll accept that as an instance of racism. Would you consider it a complete definition?
No, I would not.
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On September 24 2016 06:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 06:31 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2016 06:24 xDaunt wrote:On September 24 2016 06:16 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 06:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 06:04 Hryul wrote:On September 24 2016 05:41 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2016 05:29 xDaunt wrote:
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As I have said repeatedly, I think that it is utterly retarded to consider color blindness to be racist, and I think that this is where the left jumped the shark on the racial debate. So yes you do not see that 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family' are the classic racist defense. Glad we established that. Every single person everywhere ever is subconsciously biased in some form or order. That doesn't make everyone a racist but the fact that you deny having any bias at all is a giant red alarm going off that you lack any form of self reflection at all. Which, combined with your posts, most certainly gives people the impression that you are indeed a racist. what bullshit. group X does that, so you're X. or X does that, therefore you can't do X. but please enlighten me what you really meant or what you were aiming for. XDaunt was accused of being a racist. his defense was 'I don't see race'. My response is 'That's what every racist says'. 'I don't see race' is not what made him a racist. His earlier comments did that. His response just confirms that he is unlikely to have the self reflection to realize that his comments could be seen as racist. 'I don't see race', 'I have black friends/family'. They are the classic defense used by racists. Do you seriously not see this? ah i see. the famous "you need to understand the context" argument. The various liberal posters have spent 20+ pages saying "xDaunt is a racist" without ever providing a coherent argument -- which necessarily would have to include a definition of racism. So someone, please, give me a definition of racism for me to shit on, and I will happily oblige. Let's cut to the chase. Could start with this one? Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Yep, I'll accept that as an instance of racism. Would you consider it a complete definition? No, I would not.
What's wrong with it?
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On September 24 2016 06:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 11:25 oBlade wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems. On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right. I think at this point, white people feel racism too. Especially with the rise of BLM. And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students. I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like. Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember. Hi. I am a high school student in the USA, half white and half east Asian, can confirm that my asian-american literature teacher just guilt tripped over 90% of the world by having us write about white privilege as a graded assignment. How would you even grade that? It's so subjective and my SJW teacher is the kind of person to give slightly lower grades for disagreeing with her ideas. I also had to read "it's a right-handed world," which can probably speak for itself. Half of me feels like this class is terrible because of the thinly veiled "hate on whites" theme, the other (Asian) half believes it is alright. That feels like major guilt tripping to me. To make it worse, my high school is ranked in the top 150 in the nation and in the top 4 in my city (to be fair, it's a huge city). This woman is tenured and cannot be removed from her job, not even by the school's principal.
Just out of curiosity, do you or any of your friends like Milo?
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On September 24 2016 06:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 11:25 oBlade wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems. On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right. I think at this point, white people feel racism too. Especially with the rise of BLM. And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students. I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like. Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember. Hi. I am a high school student in the USA, half white and half east Asian, can confirm that my asian-american literature teacher just guilt tripped over 90% of the world by having us write about white privilege as a graded assignment. How would you even grade that? It's so subjective and my SJW teacher is the kind of person to give slightly lower grades for disagreeing with her ideas. I also had to read "it's a right-handed world," which can probably speak for itself. Half of me feels like this class is terrible because of the thinly veiled "hate on whites" theme, the other (Asian) half believes it is alright. That feels like major guilt tripping to me. To make it worse, my high school is ranked in the top 150 in the nation and in the top 4 in my city (to be fair, it's a huge city). This woman is tenured and cannot be removed from her job, not even by the school's principal.
White privilege as a concept has nothing to do with feeling guilty. I think you need to do the assignment again because you clearly didn't get it. Nobody is demanding that white people feel guilty for having their privilege.
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On September 24 2016 06:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2016 06:34 Howie_Dewitt wrote:On September 23 2016 11:25 oBlade wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? It's a way of blaming white people in perpetuity and feeding off the division to get people in power in government, and as lackeys of government, for their own benefit, rather than addressing the root problems. On September 23 2016 10:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 23 2016 10:20 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 10:05 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 23 2016 09:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
People do need to start seeing more nuance in these police shootings. If this guy in Charlotte had a gun, it's pretty clear the cop was justified. What even is the Second Amendment? Americans are allowed guns, even the black ones. Pointing one at a cop is another matter but I'm always amazed at the way the right try to make it about whether or not he had a gun and the left agree to play that game by those rules. We all collectively concede that gun ownership isn't a black right and that the Second Amendment isn't worth shit in the eyes of the police. There is a difference between the right to own a gun, and raising your hands with a gun in them when a cop is telling you to "drop the gun". Not saying that happened here, but that there is a world of difference between the right to own a gun and holding a gun while engaging with a cop, in a manner the latter might consider threathening. Also, it was a black victim shoot by a black cop, with a black head of police department. So why is this a racial thing again? Hi, this is your daily reminder that black people don't have a superpower that prevents them from learning any racism while growing up and living in a society with entrenched racism. It'd actually be really weird if they could do that. But, despite claims to the contrary by GG and xDaunt, black people are actually human. Also I wasn't referring to this specific incident, just commenting on the way gun ownership in the black community is seen as a deciding factor for police shootings, even though it's a constitutional right. I think at this point, white people feel racism too. Especially with the rise of BLM. And teachers these days are guilt tripping their white students. I mean that's not at all what a healthy society should be like. Do you have a source for the teachers thing? I thought that was in the UK but I don't remember. Hi. I am a high school student in the USA, half white and half east Asian, can confirm that my asian-american literature teacher just guilt tripped over 90% of the world by having us write about white privilege as a graded assignment. How would you even grade that? It's so subjective and my SJW teacher is the kind of person to give slightly lower grades for disagreeing with her ideas. I also had to read "it's a right-handed world," which can probably speak for itself. Half of me feels like this class is terrible because of the thinly veiled "hate on whites" theme, the other (Asian) half believes it is alright. That feels like major guilt tripping to me. To make it worse, my high school is ranked in the top 150 in the nation and in the top 4 in my city (to be fair, it's a huge city). This woman is tenured and cannot be removed from her job, not even by the school's principal. Just out of curiosity, do you or any of your friends like Milo?
No, we just dislike people who try to push their political agenda on us in class (and trump as well, he is bad-mouthed constantly).
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Would that I had the omniscience to know what was going on in a random classroom somewhere better than a person who was sitting in it.
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