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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 13 2016 12:38 xDaunt wrote: The alt right speech came after Trump hired Bannon because Hillary and her campaign erroneously thought that they could make some hay. ...because the alt-right connection was no longer just an association. I'm glad you agree. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On September 13 2016 10:33 Nyxisto wrote: Look! Secret transcript of Trump's original pitch to run for president! | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ this is ... something | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:18 Nyxisto wrote: while we're on the topic of the alt-right and popculture https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ this is ... something that is on hillary clinton's website. jesus | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
s the presidential campaign continues into uncharted territory of vitriol and hyperbole, one Oregon man has made a visual statement extreme for even this election season by hanging an effigy of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton from a crane along Interstate 5, according to media reports. The candidate's likeness — clad in a black wetsuit, women's clothing and a blonde wig — dangles from a tall crane outside of the town of Sutherlin and is surrounded by toilets filled with signs representing the Bureau of Land Management and the Environmental Protection Agency. Alongside the effigy were signs reading "VOTE TRUMP," "URANIUM ONE" and "TREASON? ASK HER," according to a report from KVAL. Source | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:15 xDaunt wrote: The regressive left is a bigger problem than the alt right if for no other reason than the regressive left is in a dominant position in society. It owns the universities, pop culture, and most of the media, and it uses its position to quash all countervailing positions. By comparison, the alt right is a blip on the radar that didn't even begin to enter the fringes of the national consciousness until this election cycle. Speaking of which, how many of you know what Andrew Breitbart's mission was when he founded his news organization? When a candidate's views on various conspiracy theories start correlating with the alt right, it raises questions. When all of the the most vile groups have flocked to his banner, it also raises questions. That little tiny blip on the radar appears to have a nominee who shares some of their views. Including dangerous ones, like that Obama is a Muslim working on the side of the terrorists. That's who you want to roll the dice on? | ||
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MasterCynical
505 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:18 Nyxisto wrote: while we're on the topic of the alt-right and popculture https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ this is ... something We did it everyone! Meme magic has triumphed! We've meme'd a man into the white house... | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:15 xDaunt wrote: the regressive left is in a dominant position in society. It owns the universities, pop culture, and most of the media, and it uses its position to quash all countervailing positions. This is just you saying "the left is regressive" and then complaining that most of those things are leftist. You don't really get to make up a word to seem like you equated it with "alt right". Also, Republicans have most state and local governments, so just don't roll the dice with the white house. EDIT: oh and the House. | ||
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oBlade
United States5823 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Influential research that downplayed the role of sugar in heart disease in the 1960s was paid for by the sugar industry, according to a report released on Monday. With backing from a sugar lobby, scientists promoted dietary fat as the cause of coronary heart disease instead of sugar, according to a historical document review published in JAMA Internal Medicine. Though the review is nearly 50 years old, it also showcases a decades-long battle by the sugar industry to counter the product’s negative health effects. The findings come from documents recently found by a researcher at the University of San Francisco, which show that scientists at the Sugar Research Foundation (SRF), known today as the Sugar Association, paid scientists to do a 1967 literature review that overlooked the role of sugar in heart disease. SRF set an objective for the review, funded it and reviewed drafts before it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine, which did not require conflict of interest disclosure until 1984. The three Harvard scientists who wrote the review made what would be $50,000 in today’s dollars from the review. Marion Nestle, a nutrition, food studies and public health professor at New York University, said the food industry continues to influence nutrition science, in an editorial published alongside the JAMA report. “Today, it is almost impossible to keep up with the range of food companies sponsoring research – from makers of the most highly processed foods, drinks, and supplements to producers of dairy foods, meats, fruits, and nuts – typically yielding results favorable to the sponsor’s interests,” Nestle said. “Food company sponsorship, whether or not intentionally manipulative, undermines public trust in nutrition science, contributes to public confusion about what to eat, and compromises Dietary Guidelines in ways that are not in the best interest of public health.” The cushy relationship between food companies and researcher has been captured in recent investigations by the Associated Press and New York Times. The AP revealed in June that candy trade groups were funding research into sweets. And in 2015, the New York Times showed how Coca-Cola has funded millions in research to downplay the link between sugary beverages and obesity. The Sugar Association said in a statement that SRF “should have exercised greater transparency” in its research, but also accused the study authors of having an “anti-sugar narrative”. Source | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:44 oBlade wrote: We're still conducting research into whether you can flip someone's vote by saying "roll the dice" enough times. He said it. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:18 Nyxisto wrote: while we're on the topic of the alt-right and popculture https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/ this is ... something Jesus christ we've hit rock bottom. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 13 2016 13:15 xDaunt wrote: The regressive left is a bigger problem than the alt right if for no other reason than the regressive left is in a dominant position in society. It owns the universities, pop culture, and most of the media... I suspect this statement is exaggerated, though I have very little data (especially with respect to the US) so feel free to persuade me otherwise. I would be careful about mistaking the noise and shouting done by the "regressive left" (and I acknowledge they shout a lot of silly things) for a large and serious effect on society. I've certainly never felt myself constrained to act in a way compatible with the whims of tumblrinas or what have you. + Show Spoiler + (I have no direct personal knowledge of the state of affairs in the US, but for all the leftist student organisations that exist in Australia the most I've seen any of them accomplish was the occasional rally.) ...and it uses its position to quash all countervailing positions. Does it? It doesn't seem to be doing a very good job, if Trump's success is any indication. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Of course, it might also help that there's no "America Project" that many mainstream politicians think that they must preserve at any cost (no matter who gets trampled in the process), because the US worked out its separation of powers / sovereignty issue a long time ago. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 13 2016 14:54 LegalLord wrote: I'd have to say that the "regressive left" is a much bigger problem in Europe than it is in the US right now; the US's left is stupid and short-sighted but the existence and influence of a more right-wing conservative party (which is, to be fair, deeply flawed) keeps it in check. I'd say that the US's left is more kept in check by the fact that it has to piggyback off a party that's really not all that progressive, because running as a 3rd party on a really progressive agenda is not viable. The Democrats are kept from going way to the left more by other Democrats than by the Republican party. Although the other way to look at is that the Democrats pick up a bunch of centrist voters because those people see the Republican party as being totally dysfunctional, and they end up shifting the Democrats toward the right. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 13 2016 15:15 TheYango wrote: I'd say that the US's left is more kept in check by the fact that it has to piggyback off a party that's really not all that progressive, because running as a 3rd party on a really progressive agenda is not viable. The Democrats are kept from going way to the left more by other Democrats than by the Republican party. Although the other way to look at is that the Democrats pick up a bunch of centrist voters because those people see the Republican party as being totally dysfunctional, and they end up shifting the Democrats toward the right. Democrats and Republicans aren't left and right per se; they're more so just coalitions of voters that come to some sort of consensus on their national/local agenda. The Democrats (and Republicans) are pushed to the right because the center in the US is pretty far to the right by first world standards. In recent years it does seem like the European and American centers have been more or less converging though - both by a rightward shift in Europe and a leftward shift in the US. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 13 2016 15:23 NukeD wrote: What's wrong with alt right? Why is it frowned upon? I agreed with a lot of stuff they had to say. It's perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be the domain of racists and bigots of all varieties. Which has some validity but is also a clever way to dismiss the concerns of those that are pretty skeptical of an unchecked left-wing interpretation of public policy. | ||
hexhaven
Finland955 Posts
There's something absolutely delicious about interviewing a professor called Nestle for a piece about conflicts of interest in food research. | ||
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