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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:45 zlefin wrote: I wonder if one had a (hypothetical for the sake of argument) completely unbiased report, what % of people observing it would claim it is biased. Yeah hard so say, since being unbiased with incomplete information is more or less impossible as far as I'm aware, but for sure, if you really support one person, you'll be eager to point out every little detail they missed. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/775456957742321664 Good, anyone who is considered "deplorable" should be in prison, and he's not. And that's why the aftermath of that comment made by Hillary is going to be huge. Like I said previously, how can you lead a country when you find 25% of the population of the country you want to lead disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable, reprehensible, despicable, abominable, contemptible, execrable, and heinous? (deplorable) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:41 FiWiFaKi wrote: I watched that podcast you linked, better than I expected. Yeah I dunno, I still feel a bit of Hillary bias in the undertone, but better than most of what's out there in terms of an objective conversation. Its NPR, they have a liberal, left leaning skew that is slightly right of MSNBC. But they are not shy about it and have numerous reputable conservative and Republicans on NPR. You will also rarely hear someone from the right bitch about NPR not giving them air time. I can tell you right now all of those reporters have admitted that they intend to vote for Clinton, but they still try to provide fair coverage of both candidates. And they freely admit that Trump makes that very, very hard. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: Good, anyone who is considered "deplorable" should be in prison, and he's not. And that's why the aftermath of that comment made by Hillary is going to be huge. Like I said previously, how can you lead a country when you find 25% of the population of the country you want to lead disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable, reprehensible, despicable, abominable, contemptible, execrable, and heinous? Do you know who David Duke is? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Yes, stuff with the KKK, etc. But it doesn't matter... By definition, a person who is deplorable should not get to live, or at least be behind bars forever. The law chose that to not be the case for Duke, so he shouldn't be classified as such. It's one thing being in extreme disagreement with someone's opinions, but if the law is inclusive to these people, but you're not, then it makes you... I don't remember the word, but not open to other perspective (I don't want to use the word bigoted). Of course I don't agree with David Duke, but what he's doing is within the law, so naturally you're not going to alienate a small percentage of your voting base that you might need, and rather keep quiet about it... At least until the law says hey, these people aren't allowed. | ||
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Introvert
United States5068 Posts
It doesn't matter that he said they don't want his support, no one is going to look back and find out. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yes, stuff with the KKK, etc. But it doesn't matter... By definition, a person who is deplorable should not get to live, or at least be behind bars forever. The law chose that to not be the case for Duke, so he shouldn't be classified as such. It's one thing being in extreme disagreement with someone's opinions, but if the law is inclusive to these people, but you're not, then it makes you... I don't remember the word, but not open to other perspective (I don't want to use the word bigoted). Like a full blown member of the KKK that still advocates to remove the rights of blacks. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9254 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: By definition, a person who is deplorable should not get to live, or at least be behind bars forever. This is not even remotely true, it doesn't require anything criminal | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:55 Plansix wrote: Like a full blown member of the KKK that still advocates to remove the rights of blacks. Okay, well I don't know, maybe we have a different definition of the word deplorable, but I believe it's defined as something extremely extremely awful, like Hiroshima for the citizens living there, and their offspring... Like so bad it's not deserving of life, if my Grandma thinks that black people should still all be slaves and being a homosexual is one of the biggest sins, then fine, but again, I hope people wouldn't kill her over it (or call her deplorable) - she was raised a different way, and in my opinion we're all born the same. Like in the video, Pence clearly doesn't agree with people like Duke, mentioned that Trump disavowed his or whatever as well, but did not use the word specifically... Which is completely reasonable, as I'm sure Hillary would use it against them, so damned if you do, damned if you don't. I really don't know what you want from him? He handled that imo about as well as he could. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
Simple Definition of deplorable : very bad in a way that causes shock, fear, or disgust : deserving to be deplored Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary Examples: deplorable in a sentence Full Definition of deplorable 1 : lamentable <a deplorable death> 2 : deserving censure or contempt : wretched <deplorable living conditions> deplorableness noun Examples of deplorable in a sentence <we will not tolerate such deplorable behavior in a house of worship> <condemned the deplorable conditions in which the family was living> And yes i would call someone that thinks that you are a lesser being because of the color of your skin deplorable. My great grandma was actually just as you described and I think someone calling her that would not phase me the slightest. May she rip  . | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 13 2016 10:04 zlefin wrote: deplorable is a couple steps down from where you think it is fiwi; you're using it more like horrific. "disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable, reprehensible, despicable, abominable, contemptible, execrable, and heinous" Were the first synonyms that google gave me, so I don't know. From these words, I would not agree with you, but I'll admit I don't use the word myself, and I've probably not heard it more than a couple times in my life. @BlueBird Geez man, not much sympathy for people of other walks of life. The path most travelled is a very easy one to go down (in the same way going with the popular view of the media is very easy to do). | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:50 Plansix wrote: Its NPR, they have a liberal, left leaning skew that is slightly right of MSNBC. But they are not shy about it and have numerous reputable conservative and Republicans on NPR. You will also rarely hear someone from the right bitch about NPR not giving them air time. I can tell you right now all of those reporters have admitted that they intend to vote for Clinton, but they still try to provide fair coverage of both candidates. And they freely admit that Trump makes that very, very hard. Yeah, if I read a transcript as a text, without any of the tiny insertions in the end like "unjustly" and without any issue of tone or anything, that'd be as close to unbiased as you can get to reporting. Either way, fair reporting, and I appreciate a good quality source of information and discussion that's better than most out there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
But regardless of the semantics, the undeniable truth is that Hillary stupidly insulted a huge chunk of the electorate. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 13 2016 10:24 xDaunt wrote: Calling someone a deplorable is roughly the same as calling them human debris. But regardless of the semantics, the undeniable truth is that Hillary stupidly insulted a huge chunk of the electorate. disagree on the first part; agree on the second. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On September 13 2016 10:24 xDaunt wrote: Calling someone a deplorable is roughly the same as calling them human debris. But regardless of the semantics, the undeniable truth is that Hillary stupidly insulted a huge chunk of the electorate. Yup only Trump is allowed to do that, she should have known better | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
At a rally today some protesters were physically assaulted after they were being lead out. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-rips-clintons-deplorables-remark-as-divisive/2016/09/12/5b3be104-7918-11e6-8064-c1ddc8a724bb_story.html But his rally was interrupted several times by demonstrators and, at one moment, brief violence. As several protesters were being escorted out by security, a man in the crowd grabbed a male protester around the neck and then punched him. He then slapped at a woman being led out. The Trump supporter was not ejected by security. The celebrity businessman talked through the scuffle but cracked after the disturbance: “Is there any place more fun than a Trump rally?” Have no doubt, Trump is marketing himself to the assholes of our nation. On September 13 2016 10:33 Nyxisto wrote: Yup only Trump is allowed to do that, she should have known better https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/515635087275474944?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Damn, that is real. You can't make this shit up. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
The campaign is going to milk to deplorable comment so hard. I like the way he's been acting, still a lot of energy, but less rash, and dare I say more presidential. Nothing too new or out of the ordinary, but seeing a video usually gives a better representation than reading an excerpt with Trump. | ||
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