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On September 13 2016 02:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:


Uh, normal, young and healthy people do not need 2 weeks in bed from community-acquired pneumonia. Unless it goes undiagnosed and untreated.

On September 13 2016 02:20 TheTenthDoc wrote:


In the U.S. you can pretty much send any young and healthy outpatient home with 6 doses of Azithromycin to take over 5 days. Dunno about elsewhere, but 2 weeks is a huge stretch under our paradigm of care in the U.S.

On September 13 2016 02:34 ticklishmusic wrote:


That sounds like way overkill, though I'm not familiar with the German/ European medical standards. In an ideal world, yeah, you'd muck about at home while doing necessary remote work but the majority of people do not have that luxury.

On September 13 2016 02:38 Yoav wrote:


You have to keep in mind that Germans barely work.

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On September 13 2016 00:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If you want to argue that Obama's actions hurt the US in terms of empowering her rivals, be my guest, I'm not qualified to argue that one way or the other, but don't argue that they hurt the standing of the US. The standing of the US hit its low point during the Bush years of 'either you are with us or you are against us' strong-arming europe into supporting the US militarily despite the populations being overwhelmingly negative. (Norway was part of the coalition of the willing, despite 90% of our population being opposed to the invasion and only 4% being positive, without the UN mandate). Regarding the specifics of Obama's policies, I'm fairly certain opinion on them will be pretty strongly divided along party lines, because only a small percentage of voters can actually evaluate how or whether encouraging south china sea disputes (or any of the other issues, really) actually will end up shaping the world. Opinions are shaped by a) drastic action (more so than inaction) and b) rhetoric. Obama's combined actions have been much less offensive than the single action of invading Iraq, and his rhetoric has overall been significantly more inclusive and positive than that of Bush, exemplified in particular through his 'axis of evil, crusade vs terror, and you're either with us or against us' soundbites, which were nearly universally panned over here.

I just really don't think you right wing voters understand the extent to which Bush was hated in Western Europe. I actually agree with xdaunt that the main reason why Obama caused this jump in perception of America was caused through a) him not being bush and b) him adopting more inclusive rhetoric, and not really his political actions, but the fact is still, if you're concerned with how the US is perceived in the western world, you want a) no unilateralism or strong-arming, b) inclusive rhetoric.

On September 13 2016 02:42 LegalLord wrote:

My point was rather simple: either people have to analyze both the good and the bad of Obama's FP tenure, or you have to concede that his approval rating is a mostly reflexive reaction to the most visible and often most favorably depicted aspects of his tenure: his non-Bush identity, his rhetorical prowess, and that he was the one to end the Iraq war.

On September 13 2016 02:49 farvacola wrote:

The simplicity of the point doesn't make it any more availing; there is no good reason to split and limit an analysis of Obama's FP in the manner you've outlined.

WHITE PLAINS — Hillary Clinton’s campaign will release additional medical records this week, a campaign aide said, bowing to growing criticism about how the campaign handled news of her pneumonia diagnosis.

“We’re going to be releasing additional medical information,” Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said on MSNBC on Monday.

The decision to make additional disclosures came as the campaign has come under a new round of scrutiny for a lack of transparency following Clinton’s abrupt, stumbling departure from a commemoration Sunday of the 15th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Democrats and Republicans criticized Clinton for leaving the public and the media in the dark for much of the day, feeding rumors about Clinton’s health and fueling the perception that she is unnecessarily secretive.

Aides acknowledged Monday that the campaign should have handled news of Clinton’s dizzy spell and pneumonia diagnosis differently.

“We could have done better yesterday, but it is a fact that the public knows more about HRC than any nominee in history,” wrote Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri on Twitter in response to the criticism, using the initials of the Democratic presidential nominee.

For more than six hours after the incident, the campaign did not reveal the diagnosis, which had come on Friday, and left a group of reporters traveling with the campaign behind and in the dark.

On Monday morning, President Obama’s former campaign strategist David Axelrod gave voice to Democrats’ concerns that the campaign had erred on the side of secrecy rather than transparency, further playing into a perception among voters that Clinton is untrustworthy.

“Antibiotics can take care of pneumonia,” Axelrod wrote. “What’s the cure for an unhealthy penchant for privacy that repeatedly creates unnecessary problems?”

Fallon noted in the MSNBC interview that Clinton was “dead-set” on attending the memorial service — and kept to her full schedule on Friday, the day of the diagnosis, but he, too, acknowledged that more information should have been forthcoming.

He explained that Clinton was “alert the whole time” after she was assisted into her motorcade van at Ground Zero, where she left abruptly after overheating and getting “a bit dizzy.”

“In those 90 minutes, that elapsed, we could have gotten more information out more quickly,” he said.

Clinton was first diagnosed with pneumonia by her doctor, Lisa Bardack, who on Friday prescribed medication and advised Clinton to rest and modify her schedule.