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PHOENIX — After 30 years in the Senate, during which he transformed himself from war hero into political icon, John McCain now finds himself in more jeopardy than at any time during his political career. And for much of that, he can blame Donald Trump.
This reelection campaign, his fifth, is forcing the Arizona Republican to do battle on multiple fronts, testing his political dexterity in ways unlike any of his previous races, including two unsuccessful bids for the presidency.
First he must clear his primary Tuesday, a day after he turns 80, against an arch-conservative whose campaign received a late six-figure boost from a Trump donor. Then, assuming he wins the nomination, he must move into a general election just two months away against a well-funded Democrat, U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, whose campaign is wrapping McCain’s support for Trump around the veteran Republican’s neck in a bid to drive up Latino turnout.
McCain insists that he will not alter his high-wire campaign strategy, which basically involves steadfast support for Trump while also reserving the right to regularly criticize the GOP nominee when he does or says something objectionable.
WaPo
Cmon Arizona, you can do better!
On August 30 2016 11:42 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 10:39 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
okay, i'll bite. what's so bad about the "liberal" guest worker program?
(also remind me if trump is currently for or against H1B visas, i forget) On August 30 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 08:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2016 07:38 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 05:54 Plansix wrote:
Except that the areas that employee illegal immigrants normally have close to 100% employment already. It has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. There is a shortage of labor and it isn’t viable to US citizens to do the work seasonally. Well-run guest worker programs will probably exist or be expanded should Trump get elected and have his way. Well run and Trump are two things that do not go together. Evidence has shown he isn't very good at running things. It's looking worse and worse for him in swing states so we might never get to put that to test. I mean this by the liberal standards for how big government should function, not the conservative standards that he hasn't espoused since the primary. It is very clear that the US should provide a guest worker program if anybody succeeds in closing the porous border because of seasonal jobs. He's won't do it while reducing government's size and overall role, which is the conservative position. Trump, not giving a quantum of consideration to that topic and being very liberal generally, will be judged by the functioning only, and how it affects various groups. What if we reduce government's size and overall role after a complete redistribution of property and change in property laws? Provided we redistribute property back to those it was originally distributed from, and change property laws to make them stronger for property owners (I'm generalizing because exceptions exist in areas where property rights haven't been eroded in the last half century or more). I am quite willing to undergo a radical return to 18th century understood property rights, that by the immutable laws of nature, the inhabitants of this great country are entitled to life, liberty and property. And for clarification since the citation is comparatively ancient, no human life should be considered property.
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That is actually pretty funny.
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On August 30 2016 12:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +PHOENIX — After 30 years in the Senate, during which he transformed himself from war hero into political icon, John McCain now finds himself in more jeopardy than at any time during his political career. And for much of that, he can blame Donald Trump.
This reelection campaign, his fifth, is forcing the Arizona Republican to do battle on multiple fronts, testing his political dexterity in ways unlike any of his previous races, including two unsuccessful bids for the presidency.
First he must clear his primary Tuesday, a day after he turns 80, against an arch-conservative whose campaign received a late six-figure boost from a Trump donor. Then, assuming he wins the nomination, he must move into a general election just two months away against a well-funded Democrat, U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, whose campaign is wrapping McCain’s support for Trump around the veteran Republican’s neck in a bid to drive up Latino turnout.
McCain insists that he will not alter his high-wire campaign strategy, which basically involves steadfast support for Trump while also reserving the right to regularly criticize the GOP nominee when he does or says something objectionable. WaPoCmon Arizona, you can do better! Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 11:42 IgnE wrote:On August 30 2016 10:39 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
okay, i'll bite. what's so bad about the "liberal" guest worker program?
(also remind me if trump is currently for or against H1B visas, i forget) On August 30 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 08:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2016 07:38 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 05:54 Plansix wrote:
Except that the areas that employee illegal immigrants normally have close to 100% employment already. It has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. There is a shortage of labor and it isn’t viable to US citizens to do the work seasonally. Well-run guest worker programs will probably exist or be expanded should Trump get elected and have his way. Well run and Trump are two things that do not go together. Evidence has shown he isn't very good at running things. It's looking worse and worse for him in swing states so we might never get to put that to test. I mean this by the liberal standards for how big government should function, not the conservative standards that he hasn't espoused since the primary. It is very clear that the US should provide a guest worker program if anybody succeeds in closing the porous border because of seasonal jobs. He's won't do it while reducing government's size and overall role, which is the conservative position. Trump, not giving a quantum of consideration to that topic and being very liberal generally, will be judged by the functioning only, and how it affects various groups. What if we reduce government's size and overall role after a complete redistribution of property and change in property laws? Provided we redistribute property back to those it was originally distributed from, and change property laws to make them stronger for property owners (I'm generalizing because exceptions exist in areas where property rights haven't been eroded in the last half century or more). I am quite willing to undergo a radical return to 18th century understood property rights, that by the immutable laws of nature, the inhabitants of this great country are entitled to life, liberty and property. And for clarification since the citation is comparatively ancient, no human life should be considered property.
What property was redistributed from whom to whom?
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Anthony Weiner has a name that just really lends itself to being mocked.
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On August 30 2016 13:11 LegalLord wrote:
Anthony Weiner has a name that just really lends itself to being mocked.
he embraced his fate rather than running from it
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On August 30 2016 12:58 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 12:46 Danglars wrote:PHOENIX — After 30 years in the Senate, during which he transformed himself from war hero into political icon, John McCain now finds himself in more jeopardy than at any time during his political career. And for much of that, he can blame Donald Trump.
This reelection campaign, his fifth, is forcing the Arizona Republican to do battle on multiple fronts, testing his political dexterity in ways unlike any of his previous races, including two unsuccessful bids for the presidency.
First he must clear his primary Tuesday, a day after he turns 80, against an arch-conservative whose campaign received a late six-figure boost from a Trump donor. Then, assuming he wins the nomination, he must move into a general election just two months away against a well-funded Democrat, U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, whose campaign is wrapping McCain’s support for Trump around the veteran Republican’s neck in a bid to drive up Latino turnout.
McCain insists that he will not alter his high-wire campaign strategy, which basically involves steadfast support for Trump while also reserving the right to regularly criticize the GOP nominee when he does or says something objectionable. WaPoCmon Arizona, you can do better! On August 30 2016 11:42 IgnE wrote:On August 30 2016 10:39 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
okay, i'll bite. what's so bad about the "liberal" guest worker program?
(also remind me if trump is currently for or against H1B visas, i forget) On August 30 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 08:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2016 07:38 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 05:54 Plansix wrote:
Except that the areas that employee illegal immigrants normally have close to 100% employment already. It has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. There is a shortage of labor and it isn’t viable to US citizens to do the work seasonally. Well-run guest worker programs will probably exist or be expanded should Trump get elected and have his way. Well run and Trump are two things that do not go together. Evidence has shown he isn't very good at running things. It's looking worse and worse for him in swing states so we might never get to put that to test. I mean this by the liberal standards for how big government should function, not the conservative standards that he hasn't espoused since the primary. It is very clear that the US should provide a guest worker program if anybody succeeds in closing the porous border because of seasonal jobs. He's won't do it while reducing government's size and overall role, which is the conservative position. Trump, not giving a quantum of consideration to that topic and being very liberal generally, will be judged by the functioning only, and how it affects various groups. What if we reduce government's size and overall role after a complete redistribution of property and change in property laws? Provided we redistribute property back to those it was originally distributed from, and change property laws to make them stronger for property owners (I'm generalizing because exceptions exist in areas where property rights haven't been eroded in the last half century or more). I am quite willing to undergo a radical return to 18th century understood property rights, that by the immutable laws of nature, the inhabitants of this great country are entitled to life, liberty and property. And for clarification since the citation is comparatively ancient, no human life should be considered property. What property was redistributed from whom to whom?
Oh you big tease. Name off all the big successes of the progressive movement from a little over a hundred years ago to today. I've been told that it was to create a more just and equitable society. The funding for these projects was not generously donated by citizens, nor found by chance from sunken Spanish galleons.
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Yes. Goddamn those not profitable at all public parks implemented by the loony dems
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Social Security being a huge drain, not to mention medicare. Let the poor elderly and sick fend for themselves I say! It's their own fault after all.
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The whole thing is stupid. Who cares if he doesn't stand for the anthem, who cares that a former soldier got pissy about it, who cares shit heads replied to the soldier, and who cares about that article using it as an example of how whites are the real oppressed group.
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On August 30 2016 14:35 Slaughter wrote:The whole thing is stupid. Who cares if he doesn't stand for the anthem, who cares that a former soldier got pissy about it, who cares shit heads replied to the soldier, and who cares about that article using it as an example of how whites are the real oppressed group.
Yea who cares about anything?
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On August 30 2016 14:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 14:35 Slaughter wrote:The whole thing is stupid. Who cares if he doesn't stand for the anthem, who cares that a former soldier got pissy about it, who cares shit heads replied to the soldier, and who cares about that article using it as an example of how whites are the real oppressed group. Yea who cares about anything?
Yes because we should get up in arms about a series of people making tweets over some stupid spat. The internet produces hateful comments...news at 11! Next we do an in depth examination on racism by posting a yahoo.com comment section on a political article.
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I mean you defending it is pretty pathetic too but you're right who cares?
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Yes because that is exactly what I am doing.
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On August 30 2016 12:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +PHOENIX — After 30 years in the Senate, during which he transformed himself from war hero into political icon, John McCain now finds himself in more jeopardy than at any time during his political career. And for much of that, he can blame Donald Trump.
This reelection campaign, his fifth, is forcing the Arizona Republican to do battle on multiple fronts, testing his political dexterity in ways unlike any of his previous races, including two unsuccessful bids for the presidency.
First he must clear his primary Tuesday, a day after he turns 80, against an arch-conservative whose campaign received a late six-figure boost from a Trump donor. Then, assuming he wins the nomination, he must move into a general election just two months away against a well-funded Democrat, U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, whose campaign is wrapping McCain’s support for Trump around the veteran Republican’s neck in a bid to drive up Latino turnout.
McCain insists that he will not alter his high-wire campaign strategy, which basically involves steadfast support for Trump while also reserving the right to regularly criticize the GOP nominee when he does or says something objectionable. WaPoCmon Arizona, you can do better! Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 11:42 IgnE wrote:On August 30 2016 10:39 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
okay, i'll bite. what's so bad about the "liberal" guest worker program?
(also remind me if trump is currently for or against H1B visas, i forget) On August 30 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 08:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2016 07:38 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 05:54 Plansix wrote:
Except that the areas that employee illegal immigrants normally have close to 100% employment already. It has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. There is a shortage of labor and it isn’t viable to US citizens to do the work seasonally. Well-run guest worker programs will probably exist or be expanded should Trump get elected and have his way. Well run and Trump are two things that do not go together. Evidence has shown he isn't very good at running things. It's looking worse and worse for him in swing states so we might never get to put that to test. I mean this by the liberal standards for how big government should function, not the conservative standards that he hasn't espoused since the primary. It is very clear that the US should provide a guest worker program if anybody succeeds in closing the porous border because of seasonal jobs. He's won't do it while reducing government's size and overall role, which is the conservative position. Trump, not giving a quantum of consideration to that topic and being very liberal generally, will be judged by the functioning only, and how it affects various groups. What if we reduce government's size and overall role after a complete redistribution of property and change in property laws? Provided we redistribute property back to those it was originally distributed from, and change property laws to make them stronger for property owners (I'm generalizing because exceptions exist in areas where property rights haven't been eroded in the last half century or more). I am quite willing to undergo a radical return to 18th century understood property rights, that by the immutable laws of nature, the inhabitants of this great country are entitled to life, liberty and property. And for clarification since the citation is comparatively ancient, no human life should be considered property.
Mccain and Arpaio both need to retire. I hope things go well tomorrow!
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On August 30 2016 14:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 14:35 Slaughter wrote:The whole thing is stupid. Who cares if he doesn't stand for the anthem, who cares that a former soldier got pissy about it, who cares shit heads replied to the soldier, and who cares about that article using it as an example of how whites are the real oppressed group. Yea who cares about anything?
Politically correct people, mostly.
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On August 30 2016 14:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 12:46 Danglars wrote:PHOENIX — After 30 years in the Senate, during which he transformed himself from war hero into political icon, John McCain now finds himself in more jeopardy than at any time during his political career. And for much of that, he can blame Donald Trump.
This reelection campaign, his fifth, is forcing the Arizona Republican to do battle on multiple fronts, testing his political dexterity in ways unlike any of his previous races, including two unsuccessful bids for the presidency.
First he must clear his primary Tuesday, a day after he turns 80, against an arch-conservative whose campaign received a late six-figure boost from a Trump donor. Then, assuming he wins the nomination, he must move into a general election just two months away against a well-funded Democrat, U.S. Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, whose campaign is wrapping McCain’s support for Trump around the veteran Republican’s neck in a bid to drive up Latino turnout.
McCain insists that he will not alter his high-wire campaign strategy, which basically involves steadfast support for Trump while also reserving the right to regularly criticize the GOP nominee when he does or says something objectionable. WaPoCmon Arizona, you can do better! On August 30 2016 11:42 IgnE wrote:On August 30 2016 10:39 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
okay, i'll bite. what's so bad about the "liberal" guest worker program?
(also remind me if trump is currently for or against H1B visas, i forget) On August 30 2016 09:04 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 08:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2016 07:38 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2016 05:54 Plansix wrote:
Except that the areas that employee illegal immigrants normally have close to 100% employment already. It has nothing to do with people not wanting the jobs. There is a shortage of labor and it isn’t viable to US citizens to do the work seasonally. Well-run guest worker programs will probably exist or be expanded should Trump get elected and have his way. Well run and Trump are two things that do not go together. Evidence has shown he isn't very good at running things. It's looking worse and worse for him in swing states so we might never get to put that to test. I mean this by the liberal standards for how big government should function, not the conservative standards that he hasn't espoused since the primary. It is very clear that the US should provide a guest worker program if anybody succeeds in closing the porous border because of seasonal jobs. He's won't do it while reducing government's size and overall role, which is the conservative position. Trump, not giving a quantum of consideration to that topic and being very liberal generally, will be judged by the functioning only, and how it affects various groups. What if we reduce government's size and overall role after a complete redistribution of property and change in property laws? Provided we redistribute property back to those it was originally distributed from, and change property laws to make them stronger for property owners (I'm generalizing because exceptions exist in areas where property rights haven't been eroded in the last half century or more). I am quite willing to undergo a radical return to 18th century understood property rights, that by the immutable laws of nature, the inhabitants of this great country are entitled to life, liberty and property. And for clarification since the citation is comparatively ancient, no human life should be considered property. Mccain and Arpaio both need to retire. I hope things go well tomorrow!
I'll leave the Sheriff to his county and what his county's denizens want for a sheriff. I can understand his flamboyant approach gaining national attention, but I gotta pull back every time because it doesn't overly concern me if Massachusetts wants government health care or gay marriage, Florida doesn't want an income tax, or San Francisco wants rent controls and a crazy mayor. The Senate is quite a different story and McCain has shown he does not represent Arizona nor the country's interests (and they keep sending him back!)
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The most pathetic thing here is the articles on this website.
I don't know why this veteran felt the need to try and shame Kaepernick over the anthem thing. The unfortunate reality of the internet is that if you open yourself up on a divisive topic like this on twitter you are going to get your share of hate.
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Not sure if referring to the insane way that refusing flag worship is apparently a scandal, the total non newsworthiness of the subject or the writing in the article itself.
So, when the Marine caught wind of an ungrateful douche by the name of Colin Kaepernick refusing to stand while our nation’s colors were raised, the Marine immediately took to social media to put the NFL player on blast.
and that marine's name? Albert Einstein!
However, Colin Kaepernick’s Black Lives Matter fanbase decided to savagely lash out against the double-amputee Marine, showing the demented racism held by many of Kaepernick’s fans and the BLM movement.
Truly a fair and balanced assessment of the issues surrounding flag worship in the United States and the way in which some marginalized groups feel that the promise embodied by the flag, justice and liberty to all, has failed.
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In a shocking turn of events, some people are deeply offended the way a brown man protested inequality. And now they discuss all the ways the brown man should not have protested in that manner to avoid discussing the reason why he protested in the first place.
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