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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21795 Posts
August 04 2016 18:53 GMT
#92961
On August 05 2016 03:50 Introvert wrote:
The expanding power of the presidency.

Show nested quote +
President Obama has decided to seek a new United Nations Security Council resolution that would call for an end to nuclear testing, a move that leading lawmakers are calling an end run around Congress.

Top administration officials, including Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz, briefed lawmakers and congressional staffers this week about President Obama’s decision to push for the U.N. action this September, to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which was adopted in September 1996 but was never ratified by the Senate.

National Security Council spokesperson Ned Price told me that the administration still would like to see the Senate ratify the test ban treaty but is “looking at possible action in the UN Security Council that would call on states not to test and support the CTBT’s objectives. We will continue to explore ways to achieve this goal, being careful to protect the Senate’s constitutional role.”

The administration did not consult Congress before making the decision, and leading Republicans, including those who opposed Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, are irate that the White House plans another major national security move without their advice or consent.


www.washingtonpost.com

What major national security move?
You have nukes, you don't need to test them...

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 18:59:40
August 04 2016 18:59 GMT
#92962
When the President unilaterally pushes for an international ban on nuclear testing and your first thought is "what a power grab," you may not understand the executive's diplomacy powers.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
August 04 2016 19:02 GMT
#92963
On August 05 2016 03:59 farvacola wrote:
When the President unilaterally pushes for an international ban on nuclear testing and your first thought is "what a power grab," you may not understand the executive's diplomacy powers.


Wish I had more time for this. The treaty was submmited to congress and never ratified. Should be end of story.

"Pushes for" is generous language. And we already know that Obama has a penchant for seeing how far hw can push his authority. It being Obama is reason enough for concern.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
August 04 2016 19:05 GMT
#92964
Even his most modest proposal got just shot down by a congress that was bound to shut him down.


Well, you reap what you saw.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21795 Posts
August 04 2016 19:07 GMT
#92965
On August 05 2016 04:02 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:59 farvacola wrote:
When the President unilaterally pushes for an international ban on nuclear testing and your first thought is "what a power grab," you may not understand the executive's diplomacy powers.


Wish I had more time for this. The treaty was submmited to congress and never ratified. Should be end of story.

"Pushes for" is generous language. And we already know that Obama has a penchant for seeing how far hw can push his authority. It being Obama is reason enough for concern.

He wouldn't have to if congress got off their ass for the first time in 8 years and started to do their job.

He didn't confer this with Congress because they only ever have 1 answer. "No because nothing Obama touched will happen".

I seriously hope the Democrats get filibuster proof control of Congress in November so the US can be reminded what a functioning government can do.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 04 2016 19:09 GMT
#92966
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 19:11:39
August 04 2016 19:09 GMT
#92967
On August 05 2016 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Ahm... A guy with enough money to fuck up and fuck up and fuck up and still have the EASIEST life imagineable represents much of America?

No, he doesn't. He doesn't have a clue, he maybe has some on first sight a few similar views, but he came to these views on WAY diffrent roads and if really looked at, aren't the same at all anymore.


I think you misunderstood what I was saying. "Represents" as in 10's of millions of Americans agree with him, no matter how ridiculous what he says is or how he got there.

He should be a walking example of how America isn't a meritocracy, but that seems to fly right over most people's heads.



Yeah, i most likely misunderstood. But its kinda hard these days to diffrentiate your "bernie has lost and it wasn't fair" (which i think myself is sad but well, he did lose cause he was a total unknown and lacks Obamas charisma, not due to some fraud) and your more "real/sarcastic/ironic" posts .


But imho.. If you make less than 200-300k a year and think Trump even nearly can understand you, your just a dumb (or extremly undereducated) person.
And with the 200-300k/year i am probably WAY off, he most likely only "gets" multibillionaires...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 04 2016 19:17 GMT
#92968
Donald Trump is not having any sort of "intervention" with the likes of former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus or former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Giuliani said Thursday, pointing to Gingrich as the source of the term.

"So first of all I find the word intervention completely out of line," Giuliani said during a discussion on Fox Business' "Mornings with Maria."

Giuliani then singled out Gingrich specifically.

"That word, I think, honestly I love him dearly, but I think that word was used by Newt in a memo that got around," Giuliani said. " What a ridiculous word. An intervention is for a drug addict and it's for someone who's an alcoholic and I've had to do them with people at times. There's nothing wrong with them, if that's the case. Donald Trump doesn't drink or smoke, by the way. We don't have that problem."

NBC News first reported Wednesday that the trio close to Trump were hoping to push the GOP nominee into a reset of his campaign after a calamitous week that led to a subsequent drop in the polls and high-profile Republicans defecting to Hillary Clinton.

Maggie Haberman of the New York Times tweeted Wednesday that Gingrich emailed her that no intervention was taking place.

Gingrich did not immediately return a request for comment.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23296 Posts
August 04 2016 19:20 GMT
#92969
On August 05 2016 04:09 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 05 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Ahm... A guy with enough money to fuck up and fuck up and fuck up and still have the EASIEST life imagineable represents much of America?

No, he doesn't. He doesn't have a clue, he maybe has some on first sight a few similar views, but he came to these views on WAY diffrent roads and if really looked at, aren't the same at all anymore.


I think you misunderstood what I was saying. "Represents" as in 10's of millions of Americans agree with him, no matter how ridiculous what he says is or how he got there.

He should be a walking example of how America isn't a meritocracy, but that seems to fly right over most people's heads.



Yeah, i most likely misunderstood. But its kinda hard these days to diffrentiate your "bernie has lost and it wasn't fair" (which i think myself is sad but well, he did lose cause he was a total unknown and lacks Obamas charisma, not due to some fraud) and your more "real/sarcastic/ironic" posts .


But imho.. If you make less than 200-300k a year and think Trump even nearly can understand you, your just a dumb (or extremly undereducated) person.
And with the 200-300k/year i am probably WAY off, he most likely only "gets" multibillionaires...


Bernie lost for several reasons, fraud/rule breaking unquestionably contributed, whether it's "the reason" he lost is unknowable, but we do know it wasn't a fair fight and Hillary and the DNC were lying about it the whole time.

As for the Trump part, Trump thinks the meritocracy is broken too (a message with wide appeal) he just thinks the example of it being broken is that he's not the most wealthy/powerful person in the country. So yeah, he relates to the "temporarily embarrassed billionaire" crowd, but our country is full of people who think he relates to them.

Though he's right as far as billionaires go he's probably talked with more non-wealthy people than most.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
August 04 2016 19:21 GMT
#92970
On August 05 2016 04:09 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 05 2016 03:47 Velr wrote:
Ahm... A guy with enough money to fuck up and fuck up and fuck up and still have the EASIEST life imagineable represents much of America?

No, he doesn't. He doesn't have a clue, he maybe has some on first sight a few similar views, but he came to these views on WAY diffrent roads and if really looked at, aren't the same at all anymore.


I think you misunderstood what I was saying. "Represents" as in 10's of millions of Americans agree with him, no matter how ridiculous what he says is or how he got there.

He should be a walking example of how America isn't a meritocracy, but that seems to fly right over most people's heads.



Yeah, i most likely misunderstood. But its kinda hard these days to diffrentiate your "bernie has lost and it wasn't fair" (which i think myself is sad but well, he did lose cause he was a total unknown and lacks Obamas charisma, not due to some fraud) and your more "real/sarcastic/ironic" posts .


But imho.. If you make less than 200-300k a year and think Trump even nearly can understand you, your just a dumb (or extremly undereducated) person.
And with the 200-300k/year i am probably WAY off, he most likely only "gets" multibillionaires...


just remember, trumps taxable income per year is below 500k, as he demonstrated to get the STAR credit so he should be able to identify with 300k a year guys
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23296 Posts
August 04 2016 19:27 GMT
#92971
“As the FBI said, everything that I’ve said publicly has been consistent and truthful with what I’ve told them.”
— Hillary Clinton, interview with Brandon Rittiman of KUSA, Aug. 3, 2016

One would think the talking points would change after receiving Four Pinocchios from The Washington Post Fact Checker, “Pants on Fire” from PolitiFact and “false” from FactCheck.org.

But, nope, Clinton fell back on a claim that has been roundly debunked by fact checkers.


WaPo

At this point I trust Mexican tap water more than either of the leading candidates.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 04 2016 20:20 GMT
#92972
Washington’s powerful drug lobby is gearing up to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a post-election ad war pushing back against politicians from both parties who have savaged its members over drug prices.

The massive campaign by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America — expected to start positive by highlighting drugs that save or prolong lives — will dwarf the $20 million that health insurers spent on the iconic "Harry and Louise" campaign credited with sinking Hillary Clinton's health reform plan in the early 1990s.

Targeting politicians is not part of the initial plan, but lobbyists say the organization is prepared to do so if members of Congress or the executive branch push agendas that are seen as detrimental to the industry.

And that’s just one part of a larger effort by the K Street lobbying powerhouse to seize control of the public narrative over drug prices and to reassert its dominance in Washington after several years in which it has taken a public shellacking over prices, with even reliable political allies in Congress questioning its pricing strategies. Both Clinton and Donald Trump, for instance, are urging changes in the law that would allow the government to negotiate drug prices for Medicare beneficiaries.

PhRMA wants to drive a broader discussion on health costs, emphasizing that other players must play a role in tamping down costs and offering to work with insurers and others to find solutions, senior company officials and lobbyists said.

"The reality and the message and the playbook used for a number of years is over," said Bill Pierce, senior director of the public affairs firm APCO Worldwide, which represents several drug companies, and a former HHS official under President George W. Bush.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
August 04 2016 20:56 GMT
#92973
I believe the meme is something along the lines of Brutal. Savage. Rekt.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 04 2016 21:04 GMT
#92974
Yeah that's a brutal ad.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
August 04 2016 21:09 GMT
#92975
lol, I bet David Letterman is loving that one.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 21:13:08
August 04 2016 21:11 GMT
#92976
On August 05 2016 05:56 OuchyDathurts wrote:
I believe the meme is something along the lines of Brutal. Savage. Rekt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ9_BM5c8Xc


Hey it's just the system that Trump has to work with, even though he's trying to shame companies for moving jobs overseas, Trump has to do it because it's better for his business! It's like how he donated to Hillary so she would come to his wedding, it's just the system he HAS to work with man!

LOL let's not forget how funny that is that Trump has donated to Hillary in the past. For the purpose of a future favor of some sort (not necessarily business-related) being returned. And now he calls her crooked Hillary.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 04 2016 21:12 GMT
#92977
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9214 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 21:14:06
August 04 2016 21:12 GMT
#92978
There is nothing contradictory in outsourcing jobs as a businessman and advocating protectionism as a politician. It's like that case where Clinton successfully defended a pedophile. It was her job to defend him but it doesn't mean she as a politician shouldn't try to change the law to make the legal system less faulty.

Oh right, I forgot he criticised other companies for outsourcing. That's not nice.
You're now breathing manually
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
August 04 2016 21:14 GMT
#92979
i just clicked on that link, 933 views on youtube? Uhm... Is this shown on TV too?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-04 21:17:41
August 04 2016 21:15 GMT
#92980
On August 05 2016 06:12 Sent. wrote:
There is nothing contradictory in outsourcing jobs as a businessman and advocating protectionism as a politician. It's like that case where Clinton successfully defended a pedophile. It was her job to defend him but it doesn't mean she as a politician shouldn't try to change the law to make the legal system less faulty.


Or he could not outsource the jobs. Like he wants the companies he tries to shame to do.

Good to know he also thinks government can control the economy to the extent that it's not the private sector's fault at all that jobs have been outsourced. It's the government's fault completely, and now that tariffs will be implemented, jobs will obviously come back, because the government is correcting its economy control method.

Donald Trump just cares so much about the American worker. Which is why he imports temporary seasonal workers from other countries for his properties LOL.
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