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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 19 2013 00:15 GMT
#9081
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 19 2013 00:15 GMT
#9082
WASHINGTON -- As House Republicans prepare to vote this week on a continuing resolution that would defund Obamacare, several Senate Republicans continue to think they're playing a losing hand.

Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) told The Huffington Post that he still thinks demanding that President Barack Obama's health care law be defunded in order to avoid a government shutdown is a "dumb idea," as he deemed it last July.

"I said it was the dumbest idea I'd ever heard of," Burr said. "I still think it's a dumb idea, because you can't defund Obamacare."

The North Carolina Republican added that he hadn't determined how he'd vote on a continuing resolution, because it wasn't clear what type of bill Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) plans to bring to the floor. But a source close to Burr said he opposes a strategy that would tie an effort to defund the health care law to the government funding measure.

Fellow Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) never intended to vote for a continuing resolution in the first place, his office confirmed, because it would only be a temporary stopgap measure to keep the government running. And he won't do so even if the House version defunding Obamacare makes its way to the Senate floor. But in a statement to The Huffington Post, his top spokesman John Hart said that Coburn continues to see the legislative strategy as a political dead end for the GOP, despite his desire to see the health care law repealed.

"Dr. Coburn is not inclined to support a CR regardless of what it says regarding Obamacare. He views CRs as a terrible and irresponsible way to govern," said Hart. "He believes members are elected to make specific decisions, set priorities, conduct oversight, debate amendments and pass spending bills, which we haven’t done in years.


Source
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
September 19 2013 00:34 GMT
#9083
Who'd have thought that GOP reason comes from Oklahoma and North Carolina of all places?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
September 19 2013 00:42 GMT
#9084
On September 19 2013 09:15 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.


no I don't I'm utterly terrified
shikata ga nai
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 19 2013 00:46 GMT
#9085
sam you always sound very stressed out. I think you need a hobby. Like Starcraft.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 19 2013 00:54 GMT
#9086
On September 19 2013 09:42 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:15 IgnE wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.


no I don't I'm utterly terrified

get dat tenure before they take it away yo
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 19 2013 00:56 GMT
#9087
On September 19 2013 07:13 sam!zdat wrote:
because if you print a bunch of money and it doesn't do anything that is going to fuck with your currency down the road right? And it's not doing anything because it's not creating jobs, which is what we need. And it can't create jobs because the new economy doesn't need people, so no matter how much gas you give it it's just not going to do that.

he talks about trying to lower interest rates to their 'natural' rate which is below zero. That's what QE does is let you lower rates below zero. Which I'm pretty sure means we are loading up banks balance sheets with money and then paying them to hold it, because that's what negative interest rates mean.

can someone explain the mechanism by which QE inflates stock prices

edit: I don't understand how this plays out in the conflict between various factions of capital. Certainly what happened today was not what the banks wanted, but it was what equities and bonds wanted? Idk

edit: how can buying something be not a gift if you print the money with which to buy it out of thin air? It's not a gift to the person from whom you bought it maybe but it's a gift to the market in general, right?

edit: ok so QE raises prices but lowers yields of financial assets. So the traders don't like it because it means there is less room between those things for them to maneuver and flip things and they are not just 'chasing beta' or whatever, they are trying to take advantage of mispricing and when there is less room there are smaller amounts of mispricing to exploit. But it inflates the financial markets IN GENERAL because you are artificially increasing demand for these securities by printing money to buy them. So the traders don't like it because the government is essentially competing with them and increasing demand for the things they also want to buy. Right?

edit: but the problem is that all this money that is being printed wis not being used to expand the economy and reate jobs, for reasons which are not cyclical but structural and historical (if it were cyclical the money would create jobs). The money is being used to buy second homes in the hamptons and sit on banks balance sheets enjoying negative real interest rates

QE can push up equity prices via a simple mechanic. When a business makes money its income can go three ways: the government (taxes), bondholders (interest payments) and equity holders (dividends, capital appreciation). To the extent that QE lowers interest rates, less goes to bond holders and more goes to equity holders, equity becomes more valuable and the stock market rises.

QE isn't a 'gift' to a seller because the Fed is getting something in return - a yielding financial asset.

QE isn't a 'gift' to "the market" because the market has both buy and sell sides. The sellers will like the higher prices, but the buyers won't.

I don't think QE narrows mispricings. I could be wrong, haven't thought about it.

The money that the Fed is printing is replacing other money. Overall there isn't a whole lot more money floating around:

[image loading]
Link

^ I hate to link something from CATO, but the graph looks nice XD
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
September 19 2013 01:00 GMT
#9088
Every time you link something from CATO, a Heritage Foundation demon gets its many pronged whip. Tsk tsk Jonny.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 01:09:38
September 19 2013 01:03 GMT
#9089
On September 19 2013 10:00 farvacola wrote:
Every time you link something from CATO, a Heritage Foundation demon gets its many pronged whip. Tsk tsk Jonny.

Yeah, yeah... Here's a different source, same graph basically:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]Link


Edit: @farv, unless we're on military time XD
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
September 19 2013 01:05 GMT
#9090
Haha, I was just joshing ya, even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 19 2013 01:10 GMT
#9091
On September 19 2013 09:42 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:15 IgnE wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.


no I don't I'm utterly terrified


Shouldn't you be pro-QE then? QE is like extending your credit line a little longer before the repo man comes to take everything you own.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 01:28:39
September 19 2013 01:17 GMT
#9092
On September 19 2013 09:54 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:42 sam!zdat wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:15 IgnE wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.


no I don't I'm utterly terrified

get dat tenure before they take it away yo


too late for that I'm afraid. There was an article going around today about a 25yr prof at duquesne who died in poverty after having been severed without so much as a gift basket. Good catholic morality for you. I'll be an adjunct until I decide to blow my brains out (edit: it's too bad I don't have something useful to contribute to society, like financial speculation or a new color iphone)

jonny I feel it is disingenuous to say that you can print money and just because the banks tigthen credit therefore it doesn't count as printing money

edit: thanks for explaining abt the equities that makes sense

edi @ abovwe: ok yes then I want it to burn now because it will only be worse later
shikata ga nai
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 19 2013 01:29 GMT
#9093
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 19 2013 01:34 GMT
#9094
I don't understand Sam. You tell us that you want a revolution and now you say that you are scared. Aren't you supposed to be the unerring and virtuous leader of the masses ? I'm sure comrade Lenin would be disappointed by your pusillanimous behaviour.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 01:36:37
September 19 2013 01:35 GMT
#9095
if I were a leninist I might be upset. Can you come back when you have something useful to say bob?

you're basically just the french version of debbie
shikata ga nai
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 19 2013 01:45 GMT
#9096
On September 19 2013 10:17 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:54 oneofthem wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:42 sam!zdat wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:15 IgnE wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:03 DoubleReed wrote:
On September 19 2013 09:00 sam!zdat wrote:
doublereed is an example of why I'm no longer a democrat


Hey now. Just a few posts ago you were being pretty hyperbolic about QE about how it's just another way for the rich to screw the poor. Then I posted and you may have learned some stuff about how things work. Let's not talk shit quite yet, eh?


Sam wants to watch the world burn sooner rather than later.


no I don't I'm utterly terrified

get dat tenure before they take it away yo


too late for that I'm afraid. There was an article going around today about a 25yr prof at duquesne who died in poverty after having been severed without so much as a gift basket. Good catholic morality for you. I'll be an adjunct until I decide to blow my brains out (edit: it's too bad I don't have something useful to contribute to society, like financial speculation or a new color iphone)

jonny I feel it is disingenuous to say that you can print money and just because the banks tigthen credit therefore it doesn't count as printing money

edit: thanks for explaining abt the equities that makes sense

edi @ abovwe: ok yes then I want it to burn now because it will only be worse later

It's still printing money, but so what? What worry do you have about printing money that isn't mitigated by the destruction of other money? The only worry I can think of is that, in the future the private money will come back and we'll have inflation. But when the private money comes back the Fed can remove its money. It's not doing something irreversible.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 02:01:08
September 19 2013 01:56 GMT
#9097
because we're locked into a hostage situation where if we stop printing money the market will crash and our money printing is not doing anything except inflating asset bubbles and we have no end in sight and no way out and no plan at all!

and we have a government in open revolt that has not done anything at all in years except pass a terrible terrible healthcare law! And they are all corrupt! And we have more and more students with more and more debt every year who will never have jobs!
shikata ga nai
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 02:06:23
September 19 2013 02:05 GMT
#9098
But when the private money comes back the Fed can remove its money. It's not doing something irreversible.


we have no end in sight and no way out and no plan at all!




Quite frankly, sam, you sound like one of the Doomsayers from the Austrian School.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
September 19 2013 02:07 GMT
#9099
yes great write sam off because two people who are both pessimistic must be the same. Great thinking
shikata ga nai
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 19 2013 02:11 GMT
#9100
On September 19 2013 11:05 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
But when the private money comes back the Fed can remove its money. It's not doing something irreversible.


Show nested quote +
we have no end in sight and no way out and no plan at all!




Quite frankly, sam, you sound like one of the Doomsayers from the Austrian School.

I mean Doomsayers are generally called doomsayers because what they say isn't likely to happen. Population outpacing job growth/income is already happening (and has been for generations) and nobody has really proposed a likely solution in our political system.
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