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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 01:08:36
July 23 2016 01:07 GMT
#88321
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 23 2016 01:08 GMT
#88322
Tim Kaine is definitely wiser than Warren at least. America just isn't ready for two women at once, especially not these. And Hillary needs all the help with men that she can get.

I dunno though, I haven't looked at Kane much, but she would have been better off picking someone further to the right. As a Trump supporter right now, I'm grinning.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 23 2016 01:09 GMT
#88323
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


On what you linked he went up 20% too
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 23 2016 01:10 GMT
#88324
That was a solid enough convention for Trump and I think it will give him a reasonably strong boost for the next week. The question is, how much of that support will stick, and the answer is that no one really knows.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 23 2016 01:10 GMT
#88325
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


Very true, it is known that during conventions polling is less predictive of the results than polling done months before during the primaries.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 01:12:12
July 23 2016 01:11 GMT
#88326
On July 23 2016 10:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


On what you linked he went up 20% too

And he lost 13% right before that. He started at 33% and tanked to 21%.

On July 23 2016 10:10 LegalLord wrote:
That was a solid enough convention for Trump and I think it will give him a reasonably strong boost for the next week. The question is, how much of that support will stick, and the answer is that no one really knows.


And the people who decide elections have historically made up their mind in the 4 weeks of the election.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 23 2016 01:13 GMT
#88327
On July 23 2016 10:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


On what you linked he went up 20% too

And he lost 13% right before that. He started at 33% and tanked to 21%.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:10 LegalLord wrote:
That was a solid enough convention for Trump and I think it will give him a reasonably strong boost for the next week. The question is, how much of that support will stick, and the answer is that no one really knows.


And the people who decide elections have historically made up their mind in the 4 weeks of the election.


Yeah, right now our predictive power is very bad. In two weeks we will have a much better indication of how well the two conventions stuck.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 23 2016 01:17 GMT
#88328
On July 23 2016 10:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


On what you linked he went up 20% too

And he lost 13% right before that. He started at 33% and tanked to 21%.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:10 LegalLord wrote:
That was a solid enough convention for Trump and I think it will give him a reasonably strong boost for the next week. The question is, how much of that support will stick, and the answer is that no one really knows.


And the people who decide elections have historically made up their mind in the 4 weeks of the election.


10 days ago he was at 20% with clinton at 80%, now he's at 40% with clinton at 60%

It's obviously extremely volatile right now and so what you see today isn't really necessarily reflective at all what it will be in November

That's the take away from this
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 23 2016 01:20 GMT
#88329
On July 23 2016 10:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 10:11 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 10:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 23 2016 10:07 Plansix wrote:
It is easy to go up and down on this map based on specific state polling, rather than national polls. Trump didn't go up, Clinton just lost votes to third parties over the last 10 days, which is not insane based on last times data. Also the convention has not happened yet.

Trump tanked like 13% in slight over 10 days before the rally. Its a roller coaster.


On what you linked he went up 20% too

And he lost 13% right before that. He started at 33% and tanked to 21%.

On July 23 2016 10:10 LegalLord wrote:
That was a solid enough convention for Trump and I think it will give him a reasonably strong boost for the next week. The question is, how much of that support will stick, and the answer is that no one really knows.


And the people who decide elections have historically made up their mind in the 4 weeks of the election.


10 days ago he was at 20% with clinton at 80%, now he's at 40% with clinton at 60%

It's obviously extremely volatile right now and so what you see today isn't really necessarily reflective at all what it will be in November

That's the take away from this

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2016 01:40 GMT
#88330
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
July 23 2016 01:42 GMT
#88331
Kaine is a bit too pro big banks for my liking.
Hillary was probably prodded by Goldman Sachs to choose him.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 01:50:41
July 23 2016 01:49 GMT
#88332
Wow just realized Roger Stone blocked me on twitter. I made fun of him for writing a JFK conspiracy book LOL. I feel accomplished.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2016 02:30 GMT
#88333
On the environmental front:

The White House on Thursday announced an array of new initiatives aimed at clinching one key goal in a transition away from burning fossil fuels — switching the nation’s millions of drivers from gas guzzlers to electric vehicles.

The key to this transition? Installing a widespread national network of electric vehicle charging stations that will allow potential drivers to get around a key psychological problem: “range anxiety.” At present, many people are justifiably afraid that they’ll run out of charge on their EV far from a station where they can repower its battery. We know it’s easy in most places to find a gas station, but we don’t know as much about charging stations. And without that assurance, EV sales will continue to be held back.

To change this, the White House announced a new designation of up to $4.5 billion in Energy Department loan guarantees to support new types of EV charging infrastructure, plans to designate and develop key electric vehicle “charging corridors” across the country, plans for the government itself to procure large numbers of electric vehicles and research initiatives at the Department of Energy and its laboratories to improve EV charging technologies.

The array of initiatives “serves the goal of providing consumers with more comfort that they will be able to move across regions and across the country in their electric vehicles,” said Brian Deese, a senior adviser to President Obama, on a call with reporters.

At the same time, the White House announced that some of the country’s largest power companies and automakers — ranging from Duke Energy to the Southern Company, and from Ford to Tesla — had signed on to a joint statement pledging to “drive the market transformation to electric vehicles by making it easy for consumers to charge their vehicles.”

The partnership signals that even as Tesla and other automakers build more electric cars, companies like Duke, the country’s largest electric utility, are taking steps to create more facilities to accommodate them. Duke recently announced a plan to offer cities in North Carolina $1 million to develop charging facilities, even though there are only about 4,700 EVs in the state right now, the company’s Randy Wheeless said in a recent interview with The Washington Post.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5013 Posts
July 23 2016 02:30 GMT
#88334
Kaine is fine. Boring white male who could maybe appear as moderate.

Pluses: from Virginia, speaks Spanish.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2016 02:36 GMT
#88335
But does nothing to benefit the rust belt.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 23 2016 02:40 GMT
#88336
On July 23 2016 10:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Wow she tanked 20% in 10 days?

according to another article from them it's very normal for candidates to get a boost during or right after the convention (duh).
Trump would have to be quiet ahead of Clinton right now to get to 50% chance of winning the election in their book. In that sense, yes she went down as everyone thought would happen but not really sure if it's enough as Trump should be ahead right now.

Clinton does have the advantage of her convention being after Trumps after all. But then again chances are hers won't really be as big in the media
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5013 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 02:51:46
July 23 2016 02:46 GMT
#88337
On July 23 2016 11:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
But does nothing to benefit the rust belt.


They might be believers in the idea that VP choice doesn't matter much. Kaine can't hurt her, which is his best attribute. And he might help in Virginia.

I mean who would she pick? Warren? Please. Though I kind of wanted that. All the things Warren has said about Clinton and then she agrees to be surrogate #1. lol.

Edit: and don't forget "history." First female president. Don't take any of Clinton's glory.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 23 2016 02:54 GMT
#88338
Historical VP picks do not do a lot for voting. Mostly they can hurt you, rather than help.
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 23 2016 02:54 GMT
#88339
I don't think you can out-Trump Trump anyway. His electorate is never going to switch so Clinton is probably better off trying to get every demographic that isn't poor white and male to the ballot box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 23 2016 02:56 GMT
#88340
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