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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 22 2016 22:53 GMT
#88281
On July 23 2016 07:39 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 07:22 oBlade wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/donald-trump-rnc-speech-world-reacts/

'Demagoguery 101'

On Twitter, many international observers reacted with shock to Trump's speech, with some drawing parallels between it and foreign strongmen.

'Stumped'

The international press reaction to Trump's rise has been largely negative, with Russian outlets being among the few to actively praise the Republican nominee.



but all the people in the media used ONE word to describe trumps speech!
dark.

I'm not seeing what that guy said ("75% people say that Trumps speech was positive & uplifting") in any of those images. None of the questions were about whether it was positive or uplifting.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 22:54:11
July 22 2016 22:53 GMT
#88282
e: nvm
© Current year.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5674 Posts
July 22 2016 22:57 GMT
#88283
On July 23 2016 07:30 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 07:22 oBlade wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/donald-trump-rnc-speech-world-reacts/

'Demagoguery 101'

On Twitter, many international observers reacted with shock to Trump's speech, with some drawing parallels between it and foreign strongmen.

'Stumped'

The international press reaction to Trump's rise has been largely negative, with Russian outlets being among the few to actively praise the Republican nominee.


https://twitter.com/DebAlwaystrump/status/756601012786520068

How does it compare to the other speeches?

Interesting thing is that Trump and his speakers had policies that were strongly in conflict with each other at times.

Not sure about that, but what I'll be looking for is how the response compares to Hillary's speech next week. I thought it was interesting to see people's own impressions, before the media has nudged them towards how they're supposed to think.

The Republicans in general disagree among themselves more so they have to be a "big tent." The DNC will probably be more like a single voice.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 22 2016 23:00 GMT
#88284
Expected but nonetheless disappointing that the Dems resort to having celebs speak.
Never Knows Best.
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 22 2016 23:02 GMT
#88285
Silva is a "Dreamer" from Nevada who will talk about her personal immigration story and her activism.

Tuesday: Former President Bill Clinton will be joined by Mothers of the Movement, mothers of black men and women who have been killed by gun violence or in police custody, including the mothers of Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

Oh.... oh no...

Oh no, no, no.

Trump is trying to generate massive uneducated white turnout... and the DNC is doing everything they can to help him.


Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 22 2016 23:14 GMT
#88286
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Nielsen company says an estimated 32.2 million people watched Donald Trump deliver his GOP nomination acceptance speech.

Thursday's audience topped the 30.3 million who watched nominee Mitt Romney's 2012 speech but fell well short of John McCain's audience of 38.9 million at the 2008 Republican convention.

This year's tally reflects viewership across 10 commercial networks, Nielsen said Friday, topped by Fox News Channel with 9.4 million viewers.

The channel's triumph came the same day that its founder and chief, Roger Ailes, resigned amid a former anchorwoman's claims of workplace misconduct.

For the closing hour of the four-day convention, CNN drew 5.5 million viewers; NBC 4.6 million; ABC 3.9 million; CBS 3.8 million and MSNBC 3 million.


apnews.com
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
July 22 2016 23:15 GMT
#88287
On July 23 2016 07:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 07:41 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 23 2016 07:40 LegalLord wrote:
On July 23 2016 07:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
mothers of black men and women who have been killed by gun violence or in police custody, including the mothers of Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

Wow. Not a fan.


lmao do we really need THREE of them? They better be eloquent, well spoken people. What a mess.

Hopefully they give them terrible times so that we technically patted them on the head and gave our condolences, but not to where people are seeing that shit when they're off work.

Law enforcement is speaking as well. From the reports, the Democrats want to give equal time to both sides and promote discussion. Nothing gets better if everyone stays in their corner.

Do you think each of the mothers will be contributing something unique?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 22 2016 23:18 GMT
#88288
All they are going to do is give a speech that appeals to the converted and comes off as partisan and one-sided to those who are undecided or more pro-police than others.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 23:20:35
July 22 2016 23:20 GMT
#88289
On July 23 2016 08:14 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Nielsen company says an estimated 32.2 million people watched Donald Trump deliver his GOP nomination acceptance speech.

Thursday's audience topped the 30.3 million who watched nominee Mitt Romney's 2012 speech but fell well short of John McCain's audience of 38.9 million at the 2008 Republican convention.

This year's tally reflects viewership across 10 commercial networks, Nielsen said Friday, topped by Fox News Channel with 9.4 million viewers.

The channel's triumph came the same day that its founder and chief, Roger Ailes, resigned amid a former anchorwoman's claims of workplace misconduct.

For the closing hour of the four-day convention, CNN drew 5.5 million viewers; NBC 4.6 million; ABC 3.9 million; CBS 3.8 million and MSNBC 3 million.


apnews.com


be interesting to see online numbers. there were at least 100k on the youtube stream.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 23:29:10
July 22 2016 23:22 GMT
#88290
Wait is the immigrant speaker an illegal immigrant?

edit: I guess they use the phrase 'undocumented immigrant' instead.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 22 2016 23:26 GMT
#88291
With all the leaks from the DNC, it really just show how much of a farce the US election system is, far more oligarchy than democracy
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5598 Posts
July 22 2016 23:29 GMT
#88292
On July 23 2016 03:56 biology]major wrote:
Europe is pretty much screwed, they have let this virus infiltrate their countries and now there is no way for them to get rid of it. These pockets of isolated radical muslim neighborhoods will just continue to thrive while harboring/inspiring these continued attacks. I hope to god the US can restrict immigration from these high risk countries and just overall completely for a while.

The sad part is the more european countries resist islam at this point after letting in massive amounts of immigrants, they will inspire violence from the inside out so they are in a lose/lose situation. The culture of Germany will be permanently altered in a few generations from the reckless free immigration policy it has going on. Sad to see this.

You have to try to stay level headed. Dont buy all the propagandistic fear mongering. Most, if not all european countries are way safer than the us and here in sweden we have given asylum to more refugees per capita than any other western country and our society is fine. Crime is down, lower than it was a couple of years ago for example. Sure, immigration is a big burden, especially in the short run, but is it really better to let hundreds of thousands of people, men, women and children, starve, drown, get locked up in torture camps, sold into slavery?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 23:33:24
July 22 2016 23:32 GMT
#88293
On July 23 2016 08:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 08:14 Dan HH wrote:
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Nielsen company says an estimated 32.2 million people watched Donald Trump deliver his GOP nomination acceptance speech.

Thursday's audience topped the 30.3 million who watched nominee Mitt Romney's 2012 speech but fell well short of John McCain's audience of 38.9 million at the 2008 Republican convention.

This year's tally reflects viewership across 10 commercial networks, Nielsen said Friday, topped by Fox News Channel with 9.4 million viewers.

The channel's triumph came the same day that its founder and chief, Roger Ailes, resigned amid a former anchorwoman's claims of workplace misconduct.

For the closing hour of the four-day convention, CNN drew 5.5 million viewers; NBC 4.6 million; ABC 3.9 million; CBS 3.8 million and MSNBC 3 million.


apnews.com


be interesting to see online numbers. there were at least 100k on the youtube stream.

I actually looked that night because I was curious how Twitch was faring vs Youtube. There were 217k on Youtube and 22k on Twitch about 1/3 through his speech when I checked. I assume that on top of that there's another chunk of people that watched it on the websites of TV channels.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 22 2016 23:34 GMT
#88294
Part of the cache of emails from top DNC officials reveals that DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz took issue with the negative coverage coming from MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski, going so far as to email NBC’s Chuck Todd to tell the anchor that it “must stop.”

The email was sent on May 18 to Todd with the subject “Chuck, this must stop.” In the email, Wasserman Schultz forwards Todd an article from Breitbart‘s Ian Hanchett glossing the criticism Wasserman Schultz had received from the Morning Joe co-host. Brzenzinski is quoted as saying that Wasserman Schultz “should step down” over her poor handling of the Democratic primary.

“Chuck, see below. I would like to discuss this with you today. Can you reach out to Luis to schedule a call? Thanks,” Wasserman Schultz writes.

Just before contacting Todd, in an email to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, Wasserman Schultz was more forceful, writing, “This is the LAST straw. […] This is outrageous. She needs to apologize.”

Todd replied to Wasserman Schultz with the hours that day he was available to speak, and she agrees to have Miranda set up a call.

Todd told Mediaite that the email was not remarkable. “I think it’s clear what it was. Someone complaining about coverage,” he said. “Something that happens daily from every campaign we interact with.”

In a later email the same day, Miranda wrote Todd: “Hey Chuck, per our conversation earlier today, I’d appreciate it if you passed along the following to the Morning Joe team.”

The email notes that Wasserman Schultz has “talked in very positive terms about both of our candidates.” Miranda writes that “No one wrote or rewrote any rules to help or hurt any specific candidate, these are the Party rules.” Miranda argues that the importance of superdelegates has been overstated and that there was no DNC chicanery in Iowa or Nevada.

Other emails indicate that DNC officials were arranging to get Brzezinski and Wasserman Schultz to speak to each other on the phone “to clear up some misperceptions of the DNC and DWS that she [Brzezinski] has expressed on the air,” DNC communications consultant Ryan Banfill wrote on May 18.

Todd asked Miranda, “Between us, You think the call is a good idea?”

Miranda responded, “Not necessarily. If Mika just doesn’t like her, I’m not sure it’s worth either of their time. I’ve lowered her expectations, but don’t know. If you think Mika is set in stone I’m happy to kill it.”

“I don’t know. She can do 180s after these calls. It can’t get worse,” Todd said.

Miranda told Wasserman Schultz on May 19 that Brzezinski was agreeable to a phone chat, writing, “Mika is willing to do a call with you, so we need to know if you want to make that happen too. We figure it can’t get worse, so worth having a call.”

“At this point, why would I do that?” Wasserman Schultz replied.

“She’s already served as a judge and jury without even bothering to talk to me. Not sure why I should trust having a conversation with her would make any difference. Or that she even matters, to be frank,” she added in a separate email.

The missives are just part of a pile of over 19,000 emails and some 8,000 attachments from top DNC officials that were released onto Wikileaks Friday morning. The emails cover the time period between Jan. 2015 and May 25 of this year. Other emails include DNC officials floating a plan to push a conversation about Bernie Sanders‘ religion in order to “make several points difference” in Kentucky and West Virginia.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/leaked-emails-shows-dnc-chair-told-chuck-todd-negative-coverage-must-stop/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2016 23:52 GMT
#88295
Well I always said Chuck Todd was the Bologna Sandwich of news reporters.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 22 2016 23:58 GMT
#88296
On July 23 2016 08:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well I always said Chuck Todd was the Bologna Sandwich of news reporters.

I really don't get why DWS was complaining about MSNBC to Chuck Todd, an NBC reporter.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2016 00:03 GMT
#88297
Because Chuck Todd is a plant who doesn't really do any reporting just reads from a script.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
July 23 2016 00:06 GMT
#88298
In my wild fantasy, it's taking longer to announce vp because she decided against Kaine. Please just no. Kaine is the antithesis of the populist movement.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2016 00:09 GMT
#88299
It's Kaine.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-23 00:12:45
July 23 2016 00:12 GMT
#88300
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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