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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2016 18:32 GMT
#88181
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 22 2016 18:34 GMT
#88182
On July 23 2016 03:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/755817136040345600

Oof, looks like Bush hasn't had enough of Trump's ire yet.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 22 2016 18:35 GMT
#88183
oh no more mean words im sure he cares lol
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 18:40:22
July 22 2016 18:38 GMT
#88184
Gotta suck at family dinners when George and Sr start talking about all their times in the oval office..

Poor jeb
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 22 2016 18:47 GMT
#88185
After watching Trump's speach, I'm sure : america got its Le Pen.
He is pointing out, clearly and simply enough for everyone to understand, at all the real question of the moment : economic and the effect of globalisation and increased trade, the question of migrations and everything that revolve around it. And he has a solution, which is "USA, USA, USA".

On one hand, his solutions are unclear, impractical and nationalist (which is not necessarily bad, but there should be limits to everything), but on the other hand he acknowledge what is actually considered to be the real problems according to a huge part of the population, and it is his strength, much like our own Marine Le Pen. The simple fact that he clearly state that the globalisation is not necessarily beneficial to all americans is a huge added value in comparaison to any other kind of politician from the left or the right.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 22 2016 18:56 GMT
#88186
Europe is pretty much screwed, they have let this virus infiltrate their countries and now there is no way for them to get rid of it. These pockets of isolated radical muslim neighborhoods will just continue to thrive while harboring/inspiring these continued attacks. I hope to god the US can restrict immigration from these high risk countries and just overall completely for a while.

The sad part is the more european countries resist islam at this point after letting in massive amounts of immigrants, they will inspire violence from the inside out so they are in a lose/lose situation. The culture of Germany will be permanently altered in a few generations from the reckless free immigration policy it has going on. Sad to see this.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
July 22 2016 18:57 GMT
#88187
On July 23 2016 03:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Gotta suck at family dinners when George and Sr start talking about all their times in the oval office..

Poor jeb

Considering I never got the vibe that Jeb wanted the presidency and that he probably got pushed into running I don't think he will care much.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 22 2016 19:01 GMT
#88188
On July 23 2016 03:56 biology]major wrote:
Europe is pretty much screwed, they have let this virus infiltrate their countries and now there is no way for them to get rid of it. These pockets of isolated radical muslim neighborhoods will just continue to thrive while harboring/inspiring these continued attacks. I hope to god the US can restrict immigration from these high risk countries and just overall completely for a while.

The sad part is the more european countries resist islam at this point after letting in massive amounts of immigrants, they will inspire violence from the inside out so they are in a lose/lose situation. The culture of Germany will be permanently altered in a few generations from the reckless free immigration policy it has going on. Sad to see this.

not really. the overall amount of damage from this virus is quite low. It may be unpleasant, but it's no more dangerous than the common cold; probably less so.
Also, restricting immigration won't really affect the results much at all.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
July 22 2016 19:03 GMT
#88189
On July 23 2016 03:56 biology]major wrote:
Europe is pretty much screwed, they have let this virus infiltrate their countries and now there is no way for them to get rid of it. These pockets of isolated radical muslim neighborhoods will just continue to thrive while harboring/inspiring these continued attacks. I hope to god the US can restrict immigration from these high risk countries and just overall completely for a while.

The sad part is the more european countries resist islam at this point after letting in massive amounts of immigrants, they will inspire violence from the inside out so they are in a lose/lose situation. The culture of Germany will be permanently altered in a few generations from the reckless free immigration policy it has going on. Sad to see this.

Its ok, we still have less shootings then the US
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 22 2016 19:03 GMT
#88190
On July 23 2016 03:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 03:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Gotta suck at family dinners when George and Sr start talking about all their times in the oval office..

Poor jeb

Considering I never got the vibe that Jeb wanted the presidency and that he probably got pushed into running I don't think he will care much.


Is that why he spent 150 million dollars on it?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
July 22 2016 19:04 GMT
#88191
On July 23 2016 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 03:57 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Gotta suck at family dinners when George and Sr start talking about all their times in the oval office..

Poor jeb

Considering I never got the vibe that Jeb wanted the presidency and that he probably got pushed into running I don't think he will care much.


Is that why he spent 150 million dollars on it?

Of other peoples' money. Trump is spending his own.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 19:05 GMT
#88192
On July 23 2016 04:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 03:57 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 23 2016 03:38 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Gotta suck at family dinners when George and Sr start talking about all their times in the oval office..

Poor jeb

Considering I never got the vibe that Jeb wanted the presidency and that he probably got pushed into running I don't think he will care much.


Is that why he spent 150 million dollars on it?

He didn’t spend that money... Not only that, but the rules say he can’t control or have any input into how that money is spent or the amount.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 19:10:17
July 22 2016 19:07 GMT
#88193
I mean the point is he was okay with raising 150 million dollars on a campaign for making him president and you think it's a reasonable conclusion that he didn't really want to be president.

He's actively opposing his party now and rumored to endorse a 3rd party candidate and you're saying he probably didn't care much.

I'm of the impression he took this defeat as almost as personally as Cruz did. By all means he was entitled to the nomination as the clear front runner a year ago with the backing of the entire establishment and had it stolen from right under his feet in a ridiculously one-sided upset.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 22 2016 19:09 GMT
#88194
On July 23 2016 04:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I mean the point is he was okay with raising 150 million dollars on a campaign for making him president and you think it's a reasonable conclusion that he didn't really want to be president.

He's actively opposing his party now and rumored to endorse a 3rd party candidate and you're saying he probably didn't care much.

I'm of the impression he took this defeat as almost as personally as Cruz did.

in what way is he opposing his party? I haven't heard about that yet.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 19:09 GMT
#88195
The amount of super PAC money invested isn't really related to how much he cares. He didn't raise that money.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 22 2016 19:12 GMT
#88196
As retarded as I think the position 'he doesn't care about losing the nomination and never really wanted to be president' is, I think arguing about it is even dumber so I'm just going to stop and let you all believe what you want to.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43232 Posts
July 22 2016 19:12 GMT
#88197
I wouldn't have minded a Jeb presidency. He seemed like a decent sort.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 19:13 GMT
#88198
Most of the people you are talking to did not make that argument.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 22 2016 19:13 GMT
#88199
yeah those establishment bucks were going to some old white guy anyways

trump made it personal, thats why jeb + ted are taking it personally
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 19:14:47
July 22 2016 19:13 GMT
#88200
On July 23 2016 04:13 Plansix wrote:
Most of the people you are talking to did not make that argument.


One did. Two of you took issue with my criticism of that argument over nitpicky details disregarding my point.
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