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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42985 Posts
July 22 2016 19:43 GMT
#88221
On July 23 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:40 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:26 WhiteDog wrote:
Libertarian party is the last retarded child of the right. Beautiful.

My favorite part about a lot of Libertarians is they love of personal rights above all other things, except when someone else’s personal rights interfere with what they want to do. And the government is bad for sticking up for that other person’s rights.

It is truly the "I do what I want!" party.


i mean peter thiel is chairman of palantir. its basically a branch of the cia.

He also thinks death is a problem that science can and should solve so it is available for those who can afford it. I feel like his master plan is to be a cyberpunk villain.

I rather like the idea of solving death. that sounds like a nice problem to solve.

It’s a cool problem to solve, as long as it’s free for everyone. If not, shit gets real dark real fast. All of our concepts on how to deal with wealth and power are rooted in the idea that we all die.

We're a very, very long way from solving death and every conceivable solution involves either making a copy and letting the original die, which doesn't solve death at all but simply creates a replacement for the deceased, or requires a Ship of Theseus approach which still has the same issue but smooths out the transition.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 19:45 GMT
#88222
On July 23 2016 04:43 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:40 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:26 WhiteDog wrote:
Libertarian party is the last retarded child of the right. Beautiful.

My favorite part about a lot of Libertarians is they love of personal rights above all other things, except when someone else’s personal rights interfere with what they want to do. And the government is bad for sticking up for that other person’s rights.

It is truly the "I do what I want!" party.


i mean peter thiel is chairman of palantir. its basically a branch of the cia.

He also thinks death is a problem that science can and should solve so it is available for those who can afford it. I feel like his master plan is to be a cyberpunk villain.

I rather like the idea of solving death. that sounds like a nice problem to solve.

It’s a cool problem to solve, as long as it’s free for everyone. If not, shit gets real dark real fast. All of our concepts on how to deal with wealth and power are rooted in the idea that we all die.

We're a very, very long way from solving death and every conceivable solution involves either making a copy and letting the original die, which doesn't solve death at all but simply creates a replacement for the deceased, or requires a Ship of Theseus approach which still has the same issue but smooths out the transition.

Yeah, the Altered Carbon future is a terrifying future I really don’t want to exist.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 22 2016 19:45 GMT
#88223
On July 23 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:40 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:26 WhiteDog wrote:
Libertarian party is the last retarded child of the right. Beautiful.

My favorite part about a lot of Libertarians is they love of personal rights above all other things, except when someone else’s personal rights interfere with what they want to do. And the government is bad for sticking up for that other person’s rights.

It is truly the "I do what I want!" party.


i mean peter thiel is chairman of palantir. its basically a branch of the cia.

He also thinks death is a problem that science can and should solve so it is available for those who can afford it. I feel like his master plan is to be a cyberpunk villain.

I rather like the idea of solving death. that sounds like a nice problem to solve.

It’s a cool problem to solve, as long as it’s free for everyone. If not, shit gets real dark real fast. All of our concepts on how to deal with wealth and power are rooted in the idea that we all die.

well; i'ts undoubtedly the case that we're going to have to address some of those issues anyways. and free for everyone? things cost money; it'll take time for it to become that affordable. i'd rather have it i the pipeline and going down in cost.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
July 22 2016 19:46 GMT
#88224
Jeb endorsing Johnson would be amazing. Imagine if the whole Bush family backed Johnson and actively pushed for him.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 19:51 GMT
#88225
On July 23 2016 04:45 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:40 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:26 WhiteDog wrote:
Libertarian party is the last retarded child of the right. Beautiful.

My favorite part about a lot of Libertarians is they love of personal rights above all other things, except when someone else’s personal rights interfere with what they want to do. And the government is bad for sticking up for that other person’s rights.

It is truly the "I do what I want!" party.


i mean peter thiel is chairman of palantir. its basically a branch of the cia.

He also thinks death is a problem that science can and should solve so it is available for those who can afford it. I feel like his master plan is to be a cyberpunk villain.

I rather like the idea of solving death. that sounds like a nice problem to solve.

It’s a cool problem to solve, as long as it’s free for everyone. If not, shit gets real dark real fast. All of our concepts on how to deal with wealth and power are rooted in the idea that we all die.

well; i'ts undoubtedly the case that we're going to have to address some of those issues anyways. and free for everyone? things cost money; it'll take time for it to become that affordable. i'd rather have it i the pipeline and going down in cost.

It is another subject, but you are talking about extending someone’s live indefinitely and doing so in a free market system. The tech will be available to the wealthy first and allow them to sustain their wealth indefinitely. And their children’s wealth. And so on. It’s a dark, dystopian future if the government doesn’t have a hard lock on that shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2016 19:56 GMT
#88226
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 22 2016 19:57 GMT
#88227
On July 23 2016 04:51 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:45 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:40 zlefin wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:39 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:33 Plansix wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:26 WhiteDog wrote:
Libertarian party is the last retarded child of the right. Beautiful.

My favorite part about a lot of Libertarians is they love of personal rights above all other things, except when someone else’s personal rights interfere with what they want to do. And the government is bad for sticking up for that other person’s rights.

It is truly the "I do what I want!" party.


i mean peter thiel is chairman of palantir. its basically a branch of the cia.

He also thinks death is a problem that science can and should solve so it is available for those who can afford it. I feel like his master plan is to be a cyberpunk villain.

I rather like the idea of solving death. that sounds like a nice problem to solve.

It’s a cool problem to solve, as long as it’s free for everyone. If not, shit gets real dark real fast. All of our concepts on how to deal with wealth and power are rooted in the idea that we all die.

well; i'ts undoubtedly the case that we're going to have to address some of those issues anyways. and free for everyone? things cost money; it'll take time for it to become that affordable. i'd rather have it i the pipeline and going down in cost.

It is another subject, but you are talking about extending someone’s live indefinitely and doing so in a free market system. The tech will be available to the wealthy first and allow them to sustain their wealth indefinitely. And their children’s wealth. And so on. It’s a dark, dystopian future if the government doesn’t have a hard lock on that shit.

yeah, it's ognna be a tricky issue to deal with. Of course it depends on the level of immortality involved. Law's always too slow to adapt to new tech too. Personally i'd like to try getting ahead of the curve.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 20:00 GMT
#88228
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280

Plot is a strong term for that email, wikilinks.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
July 22 2016 20:00 GMT
#88229
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


When someone's campaign's stated intent is to radically transform a party, it is a declaration against what the party currently is. This idea that there was no reason for people to fight Bernie is so stupid. He was trying to overthrow the party the same way Trump did. His language was never aimed at some kinda shift or change, he used the word revolution. The fight happened and he lost. But don't mistake just how wide a scope Bernie declared war on. He was an independent for a reason.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 20:04:39
July 22 2016 20:03 GMT
#88230
Apparently they just dumped a bunch of peoples SS# and credit card info through that leak too. Didn't even bother to redact it. And they are people who just donated to the DNC, not even staff.

Wikileaks, still run by raging assholes who don't give a fuck about anyone.

http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 22 2016 20:27 GMT
#88231
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


I wish I lived in a world where being an atheist wasn't even an issue in politics.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 22 2016 20:30 GMT
#88232
It won't be in 30-40 years
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23315 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 21:08:08
July 22 2016 20:39 GMT
#88233
On July 23 2016 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


When someone's campaign's stated intent is to radically transform a party, it is a declaration against what the party currently is. This idea that there was no reason for people to fight Bernie is so stupid. He was trying to overthrow the party the same way Trump did. His language was never aimed at some kinda shift or change, he used the word revolution. The fight happened and he lost. But don't mistake just how wide a scope Bernie declared war on. He was an independent for a reason.


The party has charter/bylaws which say what they did is against the rules.

In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National
Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of
the Presidential nominating process, the Chairperson shall exercise
impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates
and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the
national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee
maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party
Presidential nominating process
.

Source

By any reasonable measure she failed to do that.

Definition of rig
rigged rigging
transitive verb
1
: to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means


The primary was rigged period. You all knew it then, but it's undeniable now.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 22 2016 20:41 GMT
#88234
On July 23 2016 05:03 Plansix wrote:
Apparently they just dumped a bunch of peoples SS# and credit card info through that leak too. Didn't even bother to redact it. And they are people who just donated to the DNC, not even staff.

Wikileaks, still run by raging assholes who don't give a fuck about anyone.

http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603

maybe they should have hired some lawyers and use keyword search which seems to be effective
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© Current year.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
July 22 2016 21:10 GMT
#88235
On July 23 2016 05:03 Plansix wrote:
Apparently they just dumped a bunch of peoples SS# and credit card info through that leak too. Didn't even bother to redact it. And they are people who just donated to the DNC, not even staff.

Wikileaks, still run by raging assholes who don't give a fuck about anyone.

http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603

Gawker talking about respecting peoples privacy...

lel
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 21:13:39
July 22 2016 21:13 GMT
#88236
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


The fact that the email in question is a reply of "AMEN" to a forwarding of that email with just the text "it's these Jesus thing" is pretty fuckin' weird.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 21:13 GMT
#88237
On July 23 2016 06:10 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:03 Plansix wrote:
Apparently they just dumped a bunch of peoples SS# and credit card info through that leak too. Didn't even bother to redact it. And they are people who just donated to the DNC, not even staff.

Wikileaks, still run by raging assholes who don't give a fuck about anyone.

http://gizmodo.com/wikileaks-just-published-tons-of-personal-data-like-a-b-1784140603

Gawker talking about respecting peoples privacy...

lel

They are a public entity that can be sued in court and will show up. If they harm you, you have legal recourse against Gawker. Wikileaks doesn't care, won't show up and gives no fucked about if they hurt anyone.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 22 2016 21:16 GMT
#88238
On July 23 2016 04:16 FiWiFaKi wrote:
"It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."

One of the few American friends I have on FB just announced they're voting for Gary Johnson because of this rofl
© Current year.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15720 Posts
July 22 2016 21:16 GMT
#88239
On July 23 2016 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


When someone's campaign's stated intent is to radically transform a party, it is a declaration against what the party currently is. This idea that there was no reason for people to fight Bernie is so stupid. He was trying to overthrow the party the same way Trump did. His language was never aimed at some kinda shift or change, he used the word revolution. The fight happened and he lost. But don't mistake just how wide a scope Bernie declared war on. He was an independent for a reason.


The party has charter/bylaws which say what they did is against the rules.

Show nested quote +
In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National
Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of
the Presidential nominating process, the Chairperson shall exercise
impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates
and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the
national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee
maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party
Presidential nominating process
.

Source

By any reasonable measure she failed to do that.

Show nested quote +
Definition of rig
rigged rigging
transitive verb
1
: to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means


The primary was rigged period. You all knew it then, but it's undeniable now.


When you lead a revolt against a group of people, openly, do not expect people to sit around doing nothing. Bernie was openly declaring a lot of people would lose their jobs as a result of a revolution. The people who you are trying to throw out of their job will probably seek to limit your effectiveness.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 22 2016 21:22 GMT
#88240
On July 23 2016 06:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 23 2016 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 23 2016 04:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756529316209590280


When someone's campaign's stated intent is to radically transform a party, it is a declaration against what the party currently is. This idea that there was no reason for people to fight Bernie is so stupid. He was trying to overthrow the party the same way Trump did. His language was never aimed at some kinda shift or change, he used the word revolution. The fight happened and he lost. But don't mistake just how wide a scope Bernie declared war on. He was an independent for a reason.


The party has charter/bylaws which say what they did is against the rules.

In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National
Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of
the Presidential nominating process, the Chairperson shall exercise
impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates
and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the
national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee
maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party
Presidential nominating process
.

Source

By any reasonable measure she failed to do that.

Definition of rig
rigged rigging
transitive verb
1
: to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means


The primary was rigged period. You all knew it then, but it's undeniable now.


When you lead a revolt against a group of people, openly, do not expect people to sit around doing nothing. Bernie was openly declaring a lot of people would lose their jobs as a result of a revolution. The people who you are trying to throw out of their job will probably seek to limit your effectiveness.


Bernie made a mistake by labeling his campaign as a revolution rather than a movement. Ron Paul did similar labeling in 2012 and that got him in the end
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