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ticklishmusic
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Plansix
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Concerns about dangerous lead in drinking water have reached Congress – quite literally. It’s been discovered that a key congressional office building has high lead levels in its water supply, with workers being provided with bottled water to consume instead. A recent routine test found the elevated lead levels in the Cannon House Office Building in Washington DC, according to an email sent out by William Weidemeyer, the House office buildings superintendent. According to Politico, Weidemeyer’s memo to lawmakers and their staff states that the lead levels are “slightly above the EPA standard”. “Although the cause of the increase remains under investigation, in an abundance of caution all drinking water sources and office-provided water filtration units in the building will be turned off beginning at 10pm Tuesday, June 28, 2016,” the email reads. The five-story Cannon House Office Building has provided office space for members of Congress since 1908. The building, which is connected to the Capitol via a tunnel, is undergoing a $750m renovation, which started in January last year. Washington DC has had previous brushes with lead-in-water problems, with the city exposed as having lax testing practices 10 years ago. Subsequent reporting, including by the Guardian, has shown that lead levels in dozens of US cities have been downplayed by testing that can obscure the true amount of contamination. Congress still hasn’t finalized an aid package for Flint, Michigan, which has been gripped by a toxic water crisis for the past two years. Around 8,000 children in Flint may experience developmental and behavioral problems due to the lead exposure, which occurred when drinking water from the Flint river wasn’t treated properly in a cost-cutting drive. Source | ||
Plansix
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On a side note, apparently Trump's camp has been sending emails to foreign elected officials in several countries, which is illegal. I don't think they are doing anything sinister, because this is just to stupid to be anything but incompetence. | ||
GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Nigel Farage has backed Donald Trump to be president of the United States, saying he would be "better for the UK" than Barack Obama. The UK Independence Party leader also lambasted Hillary Clinton, saying she represented the "political elite" and "nothing on Earth" could ever compel him to support her. In a televised interview Mr Farage said: "I think, for the United Kingdom, Trump will be better for us than Barack Obama’s been, of that there’s no doubt." Mr Farage said Mrs Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, appeared to think she was entitled to the job of president. He said: "There’s nothing on Earth that could persuade me to ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents the political elite. It’s almost as if she feels she has a divine right to have that job." Farage effectively endorses Trump over Clinton. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-says-donald-trump-would-be-better-for-britain-than/# | ||
Lord Tolkien
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GGTeMpLaR
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On June 30 2016 04:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Unsurprising that Farage would be the one to break decorum. So it's breaking decorum when he shares his opinions you disagree with but when David Cameron has something to say about the election that aligns with your opinions it isn't? | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So it's breaking decorum when he shares his opinions you disagree with but when David Cameron has something to say about the election that aligns with your opinions it isn't? It would be breaking decorum if he did, but I have not seen him endorse anyone as of yet. | ||
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Danglars
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On June 30 2016 03:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Given Obama's endorsement of Remain ("back of the queue"), this makes sense. A Trump election would be a second great blow to Remain supporters in the UK and US. Farage effectively endorses Trump over Clinton. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-says-donald-trump-would-be-better-for-britain-than/# | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:39 Sent. wrote: He didn't endorse Trump, he just said Trump presidency would be better for the UK which isn't the same thing. Given the drift away from the UK under Obama (and Hillary as SoS), it is pretty obvious that the UK will benefit more from a Trump presidency than a Hillary presidency. | ||
Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On June 30 2016 04:39 Sent. wrote: He didn't endorse Trump, he just said Trump presidency would be better for the UK which isn't the same thing. "There’s nothing on Earth that could persuade me to ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents the political elite. It’s almost as if she feels she has a divine right to have that job." If that isn't an endorsement of Trump, I dont know what is. (Unless you think he's endorsing the Gary Johnson). | ||
Plansix
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And then he has some conspiracy theorist as a witness. I am still catching up on this, but it sounds amazing. | ||
Naracs_Duc
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On June 30 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote: Apparently Ted Cruz held a hearing about using the words "radical Islam" and its really bad that the Obama administration doesn't use it. And then the FBI, CIA and every expert witness with any credibility testified that saying "No, using it is bad. Don't do it. Its a charged phrase. The Obama administration is following our direction by not using it." And then he has some conspiracy theorist as a witness. I am still catching up on this, but it sounds amazing. I'll be honest, the types of things the GOP and the TP think up takes talent. Its not stupidity or hate mongering--its genuine grade talent. Somewhere in that mess of a party is some genius saying "well, technically speaking, we *can* say that--sort of, assuming we... blah blah" and some willing faces asking "go on...." | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general. | ||
zlefin
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Plansix
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Aquanim
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On June 30 2016 08:06 Danglars wrote: Obama spends a great deal of time on rallying the nation to not strike back at Muslims after terrorism, and very little time identifying the threat as a dangerous radical Muslim ideology. You can see it after the Paris attacks ("randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris" and the categorization of Ft Hood shootings as "workplace violence." It all stems from a very weak narrative and understanding of the threat. Voices in this thread and elsewhere posit that any connection to Islam or Muslim, however qualified, gives some false legitimacy that is dangerous, more dangerous at least than calling it for what it is and rallying support to combat the persistent threat. It has been and remains a willful blindness on the part of the administration. He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general. Are you going to respond to the part where (apparently) this stance by Obama is in accordance with the advice and instructions he has been given by people who should know what they are doing? | ||
Naracs_Duc
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On June 30 2016 08:06 Danglars wrote: Obama spends a great deal of time on rallying the nation to not strike back at Muslims after terrorism, and very little time identifying the threat as a dangerous radical Muslim ideology. You can see it after the Paris attacks ("randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris" and the categorization of Ft Hood shootings as "workplace violence." It all stems from a very weak narrative and understanding of the threat. Voices in this thread and elsewhere posit that any connection to Islam or Muslim, however qualified, gives some false legitimacy that is dangerous, more dangerous at least than calling it for what it is and rallying support to combat the persistent threat. It has been and remains a willful blindness on the part of the administration. He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general. He doesn't say radical muslim for the same reason he does not call majority of shootings in the US radical christianism--because that's stupid. | ||
SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
What is the real argument for not simply calling it radical Islamic terrorism? There's very little, because I've gone through the ISIS propaganda videos. Incredibly well shot, high budget stuff. A little bloody for my taste but that's just the way it is. For the CIA and FBI to say, 'don't call it radical Islamic terrorism' seems like a false narrative forced upon them. It's not a recruitment tool. I could be wrong on this one, but it seems like we've experienced more high profile terrorist attacks on the west in the last year than we did during the entire Bush presidency. So people are saying, 'Fuck it. Call the colour blue for what it is. What we're doing right now is clearly not working.' I'm probably missing some but this is in LESS THAN a year of major terrorist attacks. Turkey - Turkey - California - Paris (again) - Brussels - Florida - Turkey - Turkey. If we count Pakistan and every other country in the world, this list grows and the numbers rise dramatically. Political correctness above all things is not helping people here either. They don't want to seem racist when they notice something suspicious. There's a lot of cases of this actually ending up hurting people. San Bernardino and Rotherham come to mind immediately. 1400 children had to suffer because some people didn't want to kick up a fuss. So by not saying it, you may be winning a few moderate Muslims to your side, but your pissing off a large base of people who see the colour blue and when you tell them, 'that's not blue retard!' they have an instinctive anger towards you after that. One of the purest forms of anger people have is when people who are telling the truth get told they are liars or wrong. So if you want to win people to your side of why it's wrong to say radical Islam, you're going to have your work cut out for you and you have to win people to your side and base it on real arguments. But because they've already pushed false narratives and lost the peoples trust, that's really not an easy thing to do when headlines like this are going to be met with extreme skepticism. + Show Spoiler + ![]() On June 30 2016 09:25 Naracs_Duc wrote: He doesn't say radical muslim for the same reason he does not call majority of shootings in the US radical christianism--because that's stupid. No. Because that would actually be wrong. Most shootings aren't radical Christian. Most are gang violence or black violence. Unless it's radical Christians making it rain bullets in Chicago. A small Christian town is probably one of the safest places to be in all of America. + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
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