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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 18:31:46
June 29 2016 18:30 GMT
#82821
538 GE forecast is out
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2016 18:33 GMT
#82822
I love that Gary Johnson is listed. They are respecting his decision to give up pot for the election, which is apparently a big deal for him.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 29 2016 18:37 GMT
#82823
Concerns about dangerous lead in drinking water have reached Congress – quite literally. It’s been discovered that a key congressional office building has high lead levels in its water supply, with workers being provided with bottled water to consume instead.

A recent routine test found the elevated lead levels in the Cannon House Office Building in Washington DC, according to an email sent out by William Weidemeyer, the House office buildings superintendent.

According to Politico, Weidemeyer’s memo to lawmakers and their staff states that the lead levels are “slightly above the EPA standard”.

“Although the cause of the increase remains under investigation, in an abundance of caution all drinking water sources and office-provided water filtration units in the building will be turned off beginning at 10pm Tuesday, June 28, 2016,” the email reads.

The five-story Cannon House Office Building has provided office space for members of Congress since 1908. The building, which is connected to the Capitol via a tunnel, is undergoing a $750m renovation, which started in January last year.

Washington DC has had previous brushes with lead-in-water problems, with the city exposed as having lax testing practices 10 years ago. Subsequent reporting, including by the Guardian, has shown that lead levels in dozens of US cities have been downplayed by testing that can obscure the true amount of contamination.

Congress still hasn’t finalized an aid package for Flint, Michigan, which has been gripped by a toxic water crisis for the past two years. Around 8,000 children in Flint may experience developmental and behavioral problems due to the lead exposure, which occurred when drinking water from the Flint river wasn’t treated properly in a cost-cutting drive.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2016 18:43 GMT
#82824
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-fundraising-emails-foreign-members-parliament

On a side note, apparently Trump's camp has been sending emails to foreign elected officials in several countries, which is illegal. I don't think they are doing anything sinister, because this is just to stupid to be anything but incompetence.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 18:56:25
June 29 2016 18:55 GMT
#82825
Nigel Farage has backed Donald Trump to be president of the United States, saying he would be "better for the UK" than Barack Obama.

The UK Independence Party leader also lambasted Hillary Clinton, saying she represented the "political elite" and "nothing on Earth" could ever compel him to support her.

In a televised interview Mr Farage said: "I think, for the United Kingdom, Trump will be better for us than Barack Obama’s been, of that there’s no doubt."

Mr Farage said Mrs Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, appeared to think she was entitled to the job of president.

He said: "There’s nothing on Earth that could persuade me to ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents the political elite. It’s almost as if she feels she has a divine right to have that job."



Farage effectively endorses Trump over Clinton.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-says-donald-trump-would-be-better-for-britain-than/#
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
June 29 2016 19:27 GMT
#82826
Unsurprising that Farage would be the one to break decorum.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-29 19:31:25
June 29 2016 19:30 GMT
#82827
On June 30 2016 04:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Unsurprising that Farage would be the one to break decorum.


So it's breaking decorum when he shares his opinions you disagree with but when David Cameron has something to say about the election that aligns with your opinions it isn't?
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
June 29 2016 19:37 GMT
#82828
On June 30 2016 04:30 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On June 30 2016 04:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Unsurprising that Farage would be the one to break decorum.


So it's breaking decorum when he shares his opinions you disagree with but when David Cameron has something to say about the election that aligns with your opinions it isn't?

It would be breaking decorum if he did, but I have not seen him endorse anyone as of yet.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9332 Posts
June 29 2016 19:39 GMT
#82829
He didn't endorse Trump, he just said Trump presidency would be better for the UK which isn't the same thing.
You're now breathing manually
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 29 2016 19:44 GMT
#82830
On June 30 2016 03:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Nigel Farage has backed Donald Trump to be president of the United States, saying he would be "better for the UK" than Barack Obama.

The UK Independence Party leader also lambasted Hillary Clinton, saying she represented the "political elite" and "nothing on Earth" could ever compel him to support her.

In a televised interview Mr Farage said: "I think, for the United Kingdom, Trump will be better for us than Barack Obama’s been, of that there’s no doubt."

Mr Farage said Mrs Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, appeared to think she was entitled to the job of president.

He said: "There’s nothing on Earth that could persuade me to ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents the political elite. It’s almost as if she feels she has a divine right to have that job."



Farage effectively endorses Trump over Clinton.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/nigel-farage-says-donald-trump-would-be-better-for-britain-than/#
Given Obama's endorsement of Remain ("back of the queue"), this makes sense. A Trump election would be a second great blow to Remain supporters in the UK and US.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 29 2016 19:48 GMT
#82831
On June 30 2016 04:39 Sent. wrote:
He didn't endorse Trump, he just said Trump presidency would be better for the UK which isn't the same thing.

Given the drift away from the UK under Obama (and Hillary as SoS), it is pretty obvious that the UK will benefit more from a Trump presidency than a Hillary presidency.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
June 29 2016 21:44 GMT
#82832
On June 30 2016 04:39 Sent. wrote:
He didn't endorse Trump, he just said Trump presidency would be better for the UK which isn't the same thing.


"There’s nothing on Earth that could persuade me to ever vote for Hillary Clinton. She represents the political elite. It’s almost as if she feels she has a divine right to have that job."


If that isn't an endorsement of Trump, I dont know what is. (Unless you think he's endorsing the Gary Johnson).
Envy fan since NTH.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2016 21:49 GMT
#82833
Apparently Ted Cruz held a hearing about using the words "radical Islam" and its really bad that the Obama administration doesn't use it. And then the FBI, CIA and every expert witness with any credibility testified that saying "No, using it is bad. Don't do it. Its a charged phrase. The Obama administration is following our direction by not using it."

And then he has some conspiracy theorist as a witness. I am still catching up on this, but it sounds amazing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
June 29 2016 22:04 GMT
#82834
On June 30 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
Apparently Ted Cruz held a hearing about using the words "radical Islam" and its really bad that the Obama administration doesn't use it. And then the FBI, CIA and every expert witness with any credibility testified that saying "No, using it is bad. Don't do it. Its a charged phrase. The Obama administration is following our direction by not using it."

And then he has some conspiracy theorist as a witness. I am still catching up on this, but it sounds amazing.


I'll be honest, the types of things the GOP and the TP think up takes talent. Its not stupidity or hate mongering--its genuine grade talent.

Somewhere in that mess of a party is some genius saying "well, technically speaking, we *can* say that--sort of, assuming we... blah blah" and some willing faces asking "go on...."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 29 2016 23:06 GMT
#82835
Obama spends a great deal of time on rallying the nation to not strike back at Muslims after terrorism, and very little time identifying the threat as a dangerous radical Muslim ideology. You can see it after the Paris attacks ("randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris" and the categorization of Ft Hood shootings as "workplace violence." It all stems from a very weak narrative and understanding of the threat. Voices in this thread and elsewhere posit that any connection to Islam or Muslim, however qualified, gives some false legitimacy that is dangerous, more dangerous at least than calling it for what it is and rallying support to combat the persistent threat. It has been and remains a willful blindness on the part of the administration.

He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 29 2016 23:09 GMT
#82836
I laugh at your claim danglars; Obama's statements in response to the issue present a far better argument than you do. What is your response to Obama's response on the issue of that term, if you remember?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 29 2016 23:12 GMT
#82837
Except for the FBI and CIA have both said over and over that its a bad fucking idea to start throwing around that phrase. That it is what ISIS wants. The dumb part is that idiots like Cruz want to appear "tough on terrorism" by saying "radical Islam" over and over, which is the like masturbating and then claiming you got a hand job. Next thing you know, he will bring back "tough on crime" and "addressing inner city violence" as a political platform.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
June 30 2016 00:22 GMT
#82838
On June 30 2016 08:06 Danglars wrote:
Obama spends a great deal of time on rallying the nation to not strike back at Muslims after terrorism, and very little time identifying the threat as a dangerous radical Muslim ideology. You can see it after the Paris attacks ("randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris" and the categorization of Ft Hood shootings as "workplace violence." It all stems from a very weak narrative and understanding of the threat. Voices in this thread and elsewhere posit that any connection to Islam or Muslim, however qualified, gives some false legitimacy that is dangerous, more dangerous at least than calling it for what it is and rallying support to combat the persistent threat. It has been and remains a willful blindness on the part of the administration.

He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general.

Are you going to respond to the part where (apparently) this stance by Obama is in accordance with the advice and instructions he has been given by people who should know what they are doing?
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
June 30 2016 00:25 GMT
#82839
On June 30 2016 08:06 Danglars wrote:
Obama spends a great deal of time on rallying the nation to not strike back at Muslims after terrorism, and very little time identifying the threat as a dangerous radical Muslim ideology. You can see it after the Paris attacks ("randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris" and the categorization of Ft Hood shootings as "workplace violence." It all stems from a very weak narrative and understanding of the threat. Voices in this thread and elsewhere posit that any connection to Islam or Muslim, however qualified, gives some false legitimacy that is dangerous, more dangerous at least than calling it for what it is and rallying support to combat the persistent threat. It has been and remains a willful blindness on the part of the administration.

He turns around and says saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't a strategy. Well, Mr President, absolutely refusing to say it also isn't a strategy. The least he, and others, can do is identify the enemy in no uncertain terms if he means to oppose them. As it stands, he invites valid criticism, and is weak on terrorism in general.


He doesn't say radical muslim for the same reason he does not call majority of shootings in the US radical christianism--because that's stupid.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-30 00:36:25
June 30 2016 00:33 GMT
#82840
Because, when you see the colour blue and someone says, 'idiot that's not blue' it pisses you off. You know it's blue. But other people are telling you it's not blue. Then you have to have a completely inane argument about whether the colour is blue or not, when you clearly know it's blue. Kind of like how people correctly called Omar Mateen as not a self hating gay (he wasn't) and instead a radical Islamic terrorist. People on this own forum debated about whether he was or wasn't. Omar Mateen not gay. So we had this stupid debate about whether he was or wasn't what most people clearly knew he was. We had to fight against a false narrative for the truth to emerge. And it's tiring, and it's happening over and over and over again. The narrative fell, but it doesn't matter because the damage was done. As the liberals moved on to the next story, a high enough % of them still think he's a self-hating gay and Republicans were to blame for 49 deaths in Orlando.

What is the real argument for not simply calling it radical Islamic terrorism? There's very little, because I've gone through the ISIS propaganda videos. Incredibly well shot, high budget stuff. A little bloody for my taste but that's just the way it is.

For the CIA and FBI to say, 'don't call it radical Islamic terrorism' seems like a false narrative forced upon them. It's not a recruitment tool. I could be wrong on this one, but it seems like we've experienced more high profile terrorist attacks on the west in the last year than we did during the entire Bush presidency.

So people are saying, 'Fuck it. Call the colour blue for what it is. What we're doing right now is clearly not working.' I'm probably missing some but this is in LESS THAN a year of major terrorist attacks.

Turkey - Turkey - California - Paris (again) - Brussels - Florida - Turkey - Turkey. If we count Pakistan and every other country in the world, this list grows and the numbers rise dramatically.

Political correctness above all things is not helping people here either. They don't want to seem racist when they notice something suspicious. There's a lot of cases of this actually ending up hurting people. San Bernardino and Rotherham come to mind immediately. 1400 children had to suffer because some people didn't want to kick up a fuss.

So by not saying it, you may be winning a few moderate Muslims to your side, but your pissing off a large base of people who see the colour blue and when you tell them, 'that's not blue retard!' they have an instinctive anger towards you after that.

One of the purest forms of anger people have is when people who are telling the truth get told they are liars or wrong.

So if you want to win people to your side of why it's wrong to say radical Islam, you're going to have your work cut out for you and you have to win people to your side and base it on real arguments. But because they've already pushed false narratives and lost the peoples trust, that's really not an easy thing to do when headlines like this are going to be met with extreme skepticism.

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On June 30 2016 09:25 Naracs_Duc wrote:
He doesn't say radical muslim for the same reason he does not call majority of shootings in the US radical christianism--because that's stupid.


No. Because that would actually be wrong. Most shootings aren't radical Christian. Most are gang violence or black violence. Unless it's radical Christians making it rain bullets in Chicago. A small Christian town is probably one of the safest places to be in all of America.
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