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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
June 10 2016 14:29 GMT
#80381
On June 10 2016 23:03 DickMcFanny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 22:24 biology]major wrote:
On June 10 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 10 2016 21:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Elizabeth Warren just endorsed Hillary Clinton. That's a HUGE step towards unifying the Democratic party, considering Liz Warren is basically the female version of Bernie Sanders.

I think a ticket Clinton Warren would be a really good plan to win Sanders supporters. And Warren is a great, great woman.


Country is not ready for a double woman ticket, it's barely ready for one woman. It would be a horrible move politically to take warren as her vp. Just like in tv shows there's always one token Asian guy and it's all good, but as soon as you get more than one? You've crossed the threshold. Maybe in a few decades but not now


I'm not an expert in American history, but I think there is plenty of precedent of single-gender tickets.

My only regret is that I have but no upvotes to give for this post.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 14:33:46
June 10 2016 14:33 GMT
#80382
I think having both be female is really stupid, from an electability standpoint. But then I also wonder if having both be female would ensure Trump says something horrible. There's a ton of sympathy/compassion for women in American society and I think a Clinton/Warren ticket would have a certain amount of immunity to attacks. It kinda makes it unfair, but they are obviously as a disadvantage for knee-jerk, instinctual reasons.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 10 2016 14:33 GMT
#80383
On June 10 2016 23:11 Velr wrote:
Yes, but compromising ideologues are actually the people that can push a country towards a certain direction.
Maybe Clinton just totally sucks at selling her ideology, being "pragmatic" is a nice attribute, but its not a description of what you actually would want to do and should not be your main selling point. I doubt anyone is questioning that she is pragmatic.
But she runs basically on "being pragmatic and like Obama but even more/better"...

Well luckily for her neither the Dems nor Reps could push a truely good candidate, so it should be enough...

quite true certainly.
As a general trend of course, ideologues are less prone to compromising than pragmatists.
Certainly compromising ideologues would be best.
Clinton is definitely not as good as many at selling her ideology. Her policy command is excellent, but as "cheerleader-in-chief" which is one of the president's functions, she's quite poor.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 10 2016 14:41 GMT
#80384
On June 10 2016 23:29 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 23:03 DickMcFanny wrote:
On June 10 2016 22:24 biology]major wrote:
On June 10 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 10 2016 21:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Elizabeth Warren just endorsed Hillary Clinton. That's a HUGE step towards unifying the Democratic party, considering Liz Warren is basically the female version of Bernie Sanders.

I think a ticket Clinton Warren would be a really good plan to win Sanders supporters. And Warren is a great, great woman.


Country is not ready for a double woman ticket, it's barely ready for one woman. It would be a horrible move politically to take warren as her vp. Just like in tv shows there's always one token Asian guy and it's all good, but as soon as you get more than one? You've crossed the threshold. Maybe in a few decades but not now


I'm not an expert in American history, but I think there is plenty of precedent of single-gender tickets.

My only regret is that I have but no upvotes to give for this post.

Agreed. But I show my support through this post.

Also folks, can we use “women” when appropriate over “females”? I really don’t like thinking of you all as Ferengi. Just read your post out loud and if you sound like you would have the lobes for business, use woman instead.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 10 2016 14:50 GMT
#80385
On June 10 2016 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Also folks, can we use “women” when appropriate over “females”?


omg so much this!
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Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 10 2016 14:54 GMT
#80386
On June 10 2016 23:41 Plansix wrote:

Also folks, can we use “women” when appropriate over “females”? I really don’t like thinking of you all as Ferengi. Just read your post out loud and if you sound like you would have the lobes for business, use woman instead.


Never even thought of that lol. Makes sense though, thanks. However, I am compelled to remind you of the 94th rule of acquisition.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
June 10 2016 14:58 GMT
#80387
I was snapped at once because I said "of either gender". I thought I was being liberal, but apparently I was implying that genders are binary, which made me transphobic. So yeah, difficult to judge what lingo to use these days.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8182 Posts
June 10 2016 15:09 GMT
#80388
On June 10 2016 23:03 Velr wrote:
Well, by that logic, Angela Merkel is the best cancellor/president ever...

Merkel is a complete ideologue. Her treatment of Greece is and has always been completely irrational. She expects the Greek to get out of the crisis by tightening their budget and then pay to the last euro their debt, which every economist says is not only stupid, but also completely unfeasible.

I don't think we have one more dogmatic leader in Europe.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 10 2016 15:14 GMT
#80389
On June 10 2016 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 23:29 KwarK wrote:
On June 10 2016 23:03 DickMcFanny wrote:
On June 10 2016 22:24 biology]major wrote:
On June 10 2016 22:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 10 2016 21:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Elizabeth Warren just endorsed Hillary Clinton. That's a HUGE step towards unifying the Democratic party, considering Liz Warren is basically the female version of Bernie Sanders.

I think a ticket Clinton Warren would be a really good plan to win Sanders supporters. And Warren is a great, great woman.


Country is not ready for a double woman ticket, it's barely ready for one woman. It would be a horrible move politically to take warren as her vp. Just like in tv shows there's always one token Asian guy and it's all good, but as soon as you get more than one? You've crossed the threshold. Maybe in a few decades but not now


I'm not an expert in American history, but I think there is plenty of precedent of single-gender tickets.

My only regret is that I have but no upvotes to give for this post.

Agreed. But I show my support through this post.

Also folks, can we use “women” when appropriate over “females”? I really don’t like thinking of you all as Ferengi. Just read your post out loud and if you sound like you would have the lobes for business, use woman instead.

We've got whole binders full of females.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 10 2016 15:16 GMT
#80390
what if trump took a female as his vp? Any good female candidates for the job?
Question.?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
June 10 2016 15:20 GMT
#80391
He needs a VP who has no political aspirations beyond the current year, ever. I'm not sure a good candidate exists. It'll have to be the right combination of cynicism and lack of ambition. There won't be any coming back from the stain of Trump. Maybe his daughter?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46390 Posts
June 10 2016 15:23 GMT
#80392
Sarah Palin, because at this point why the hell not.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 10 2016 15:23 GMT
#80393
She has to run the Trumpire. And I don't think she'd be remotely ready for any VP debate against anyone Hillary throws her way.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 10 2016 15:23 GMT
#80394
On June 10 2016 23:58 DickMcFanny wrote:
I was snapped at once because I said "of either gender". I thought I was being liberal, but apparently I was implying that genders are binary, which made me transphobic. So yeah, difficult to judge what lingo to use these days.

LMAO. I thought the whole point is that they want to be considered 100% female o.0
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46390 Posts
June 10 2016 15:26 GMT
#80395
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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 10 2016 15:27 GMT
#80396
On June 11 2016 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
[image loading]

Top comment (2nd one is roughly the same)
[image loading]
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
June 10 2016 15:28 GMT
#80397
On June 11 2016 00:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 23:58 DickMcFanny wrote:
I was snapped at once because I said "of either gender". I thought I was being liberal, but apparently I was implying that genders are binary, which made me transphobic. So yeah, difficult to judge what lingo to use these days.

LMAO. I thought the whole point is that they want to be considered 100% female o.0

Trans women do, transgenders fit in the binary, they just don't fit in the one they were born in. But then you get into queer and genderfluid and all that stuff and it becomes far more complicated. Transgender are the tip of the iceberg. But for trans people, there are two genders. The person was too interested in checking privilege to check facts.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 10 2016 15:30 GMT
#80398
If Bill Maher decided to become a hermit and never use any form of communication ever again, I’m pretty sure it would be a net gain for humanity.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
June 10 2016 15:43 GMT
#80399
On June 11 2016 00:30 Plansix wrote:
If Bill Maher decided to become a hermit and never use any form of communication ever again, I’m pretty sure it would be a net gain for humanity.

I dont like how you take the moral highground in every zopic here.
sorry for dem one liners
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 10 2016 15:49 GMT
#80400
On June 11 2016 00:30 Plansix wrote:
If Bill Maher decided to become a hermit and never use any form of communication ever again, I’m pretty sure it would be a net gain for humanity.


Isn't his point that we are insanely diverse and that's awesome?
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