US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3864

On May 23 2016 04:45 Plansix wrote:

Apparently the woman card is a thing now. The way to avoid playing the woman card: be a man.

On May 23 2016 05:19 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, Hillary has pandered way too strongly with her identity politics. I also didn't forget about that Madeleine Albright BS that she pulled in the earlier stages of the campaign ("if you are a women and don't vote for Hillary you will go to hell"). The "woman card" attacks are not baseless or unjustified.

On May 23 2016 05:31 ticklishmusic wrote:


you're paraphrasing (badly), and i recommend you find the context behind that

On May 23 2016 05:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
or the fact albright has been saying it for years and years

that shit was on a starbucks cup

but hey whatever, yall feel free to relitigate the same points over and over again. i for one dont really feel like responding to something that we've gone over before, and that google could solve.

On May 23 2016 04:37 Ravianna26 wrote:
Crooked Hillary being elected would be insulting. She's playing the woman card because she is the worst candidate ever and has no other card to play.

A new poll found that a strong majority of U.S. voters think the presumptive Republican candidate Donald Trump is not qualified to be president, just as an average of national polls revealed Trump overtaking Hillary Clinton for the first time.

A Washington Post-ABC poll published Sunday found that both Trump and Clinton are viewed unfavorably by the electorate.

According to the Washington Post, never have the two leading candidates from the major parties been viewed as negatively as Clinton and Trump, with 57 percent viewing both unfavorably.

Senator Bernie Sanders, who has pledged to stay in the race until the Democratic Party's convention, is seen as the most positive of all three.

About 44 percent of respondents said they wanted a third-party option, an encouraging figure for Sanders, who is facing calls to mount an independent campaign should he fail to win the nomination from the Democratic Party.

On May 23 2016 06:15 zlefin wrote:
Part of the problem with politics: the job is words. Yet a poorly chosen set of 10 words out of the million you make in a year, can haunt you for a lifetime. and to avoid that, you get how politicians speak.
Not entirely on point here really; just a perennial issue to watch out for.

In 1990, a small group of investors offered a resolution at Exxon’s annual shareholder’s meeting asking that it “develop a company-wide plan to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.” The company opposed the motion, which won 6% of the vote, on the grounds that “the facts today and the projection of future effects are very unclear.”

Here’s what happened since 1990: we’ve had all 25 of the hottest years ever measured on our planet. We’ve lost half of Arctic sea ice. The ocean has become markedly more acidic.

In 1997, Father Michael Crosby, a Catholic shareholder activist from Milwaukee, offered a less taxing resolution: perhaps Exxon could merely report on the impact that climate change would have on the company’s business? Exxon refused, arguing that there was “great uncertainty” about climate change. The resolution eventually took 4.5% of the vote.

Here’s what’s happened since 1997: we’ve seen droughts without parallel in California and the Fertile Crescent, the latter helping trigger the war and refugee crisis in Syria. We’ve seen floods worse than anything since Noah – so severe that in Pakistan 20 million were forced from their homes.

In 2015, shareholder activists put forward a variety of resolutions, the most important of which would have set goals for cutting greenhouse gas emissions. Again Exxon opposed them, its CEO informing shareholders that if climate change caused any “inclement weather” humans would “adapt”.

Here’s what’s happened since that meeting: we’ve had 12 straight months of record-busting temperatures; this February and March were the hottest months ever recorded on our earth. We’ve seen the highest wind speeds ever recorded in the western and southern hemispheres. We’ve watched the rapid death of vast swaths of coral, as hot oceans triggered by far the largest “bleaching” event ever recorded.

Oh, and we learned, from Pulitzer-prize winning journalists, that Exxon knew about climate change in 1981 but continued to fund climate deniers for 27 more years. That while they were telling shareholders that there was too much uncertainty to take action against climate change, they were raising the decks of their facilities and rigs to withstand the sea level rise they knew was coming. That they were funding the architecture of denial that kept a phony debate alive for a quarter century.

On May 23 2016 07:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:


I dunno, Trump has clearly demonstrated that it doesn't matter how poorly you choose your words as long as you choose them poorly often enough that any time you say something a supporter doesn't agree with, your supporters can just say you chose your words poorly and meant something else (that they prefer).

The higher frequency also drowns the poor word choice in a swirling whirlpool of gibberish that people can't even parse out when arguing with you because there are just too many bizarre things floating around.

It's a similar strategy to Biden's, actually, that "gaffe-y likeable old dude" just taken to the extreme.

On May 23 2016 06:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:

I don't think you can give one fact to back up the fact that Hillary is crooked at all.
Yet that's what people reproach to Hillary while she has one of the best fact checking record of all candidates in this primary and has never shown sign of being remotely dishonest.

Pakistan on Sunday accused the United States of violating its sovereignty with a drone strike against the leader of the Afghan Taliban in a remote border area just inside Pakistan.

The president of Afghanistan said the attack killed Mullah Akhtar Mansoor, but a Pakistani passport found at the site bears the name Wali Muhammad and the passport holder was believed to have travelled to Pakistan from Iran on the day of the attack, according to the Pakistani foreign ministry.

Mansoor’s death could trigger a succession battle and deepen fractures that emerged in the insurgent movement after the death of its founder, Mullah Mohammad Omar, was confirmed in 2015, more than two years after it occurred.

The Saturday drone strike, which US officials said was authorised by Barack Obama and included multiple drones, showed the United States was prepared to go after the Taliban leadership in Pakistan, which the government in Kabul has repeatedly accused of sheltering the insurgents.

But Pakistan protested on Sunday, saying the US government had not informed Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister, beforehand.

“This is a violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty,” Sharif told reporters in London.
A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that Washington had only notified Pakistan after the strike.

Afghan government chief executive Abdullah Abdullah and the country’s top intelligence agency said the attack had been successful.

The Huffington Post has hired former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields, the site announced on Sunday.

Fields will be on the political team covering presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, an interesting position for Fields considering her history with the campaign.

In March, Fields, who was then working for Breitbart, accused Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski of forcefully grabbing her out of the way after she tried to ask Trump a question during an event in Florida. When the campaign initially denied the event took place and called Fields "delusional", Fields filed a police report which led to battery charges against Lewandowski, though a Florida prosecutor decided in April not to prosecute. Fields, and at least six other staffers, left Breitbart shortly after the incident, saying the website failed to adequately support her at the time.