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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 29 2016 23:33 GMT
#69861
sanders would do a lot for his own cause if he just toned down the outright marxist sounding rhetoric. for many people it is the sense of the radical left about him that is offputting
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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
March 29 2016 23:40 GMT
#69862
Can anyone tell me why the US election is so drawn out?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 29 2016 23:40 GMT
#69863
On March 30 2016 08:40 killa_robot wrote:
Can anyone tell me why the US election is so drawn out?


It's a profitable endeavor.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
March 29 2016 23:44 GMT
#69864
On March 30 2016 08:40 killa_robot wrote:
Can anyone tell me why the US election is so drawn out?


I feel like it's just to make everyone hate fucking life so they're less likely to follow along or show up to participate and vote. There's certainly no good reason for it.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4718 Posts
March 29 2016 23:45 GMT
#69865
Because there are 50 states to cover.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21592 Posts
March 29 2016 23:48 GMT
#69866
On March 30 2016 08:45 Introvert wrote:
Because there are 50 states to cover.

an argument in the 1800's. Not the 21e century.
It could be held in a single day, it could be done in a month. There is no need to drag it out for 5 months.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
March 29 2016 23:54 GMT
#69867
On March 30 2016 08:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 08:45 Introvert wrote:
Because there are 50 states to cover.

an argument in the 1800's. Not the 21e century.
It could be held in a single day, it could be done in a month. There is no need to drag it out for 5 months.


Because its the primaries. It maybe doesn't need to be 5 months, but when you look at this cycle neither side has picked (definitively) a candidate, and one side arguably would have been better suited with and even more prolonged process as it becomes increasingly likely they will end with a plurality candidate in the general.

I'd prefer if all 50 states voted several times, but alas it is what it is.
Freeeeeeedom
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4718 Posts
March 29 2016 23:55 GMT
#69868
On March 30 2016 08:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 08:45 Introvert wrote:
Because there are 50 states to cover.

an argument in the 1800's. Not the 21e century.
It could be held in a single day, it could be done in a month. There is no need to drag it out for 5 months.


Campaigning still involves things like visiting voters and giving speeches. Can't be done well in a month. There's no reason for it to happen all at once. Presidential elections are once every 4 years, I think we can handle it.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 30 2016 00:01 GMT
#69869
On March 30 2016 08:55 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 08:48 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 30 2016 08:45 Introvert wrote:
Because there are 50 states to cover.

an argument in the 1800's. Not the 21e century.
It could be held in a single day, it could be done in a month. There is no need to drag it out for 5 months.


Campaigning still involves things like visiting voters and giving speeches. Can't be done well in a month.

you're begging the question of whether or not the campaign cycle as it is is actually worth it
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42455 Posts
March 30 2016 00:05 GMT
#69870
Except there is no reason to visit most states. The combination of FPTP and the electoral college removes most states from play. They might as well take the day off in those states and just report the inevitable result.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 30 2016 00:07 GMT
#69871
On March 30 2016 08:24 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 08:13 LemOn wrote:
Wait, so when a lot of media shows almost all supers on Hillary's side in charts like it's a given - that's just bs manipulation?

Many have already endorsed her, but it doesn't matter until the convention because they can change their minds, and usually vote with the total popular vote and delegate counts.

Well do they or don't, people seem to be contradicting themselves.

And a lot of pro-Hillary are showing them as a total lock like they are on level of pledged ones gotten through vote.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4718 Posts
March 30 2016 00:13 GMT
#69872
Is he talking about the months immediately prior to the November election? Or the primary season? I don't mind the length of either, but surely it's obvious why the primary season can't be just a month.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 30 2016 00:15 GMT
#69873
On March 30 2016 09:13 Introvert wrote:
Is he talking about the months immediately prior to the November election? Or the primary season? I don't mind the length of either, but surely it's obvious why the primary season can't be just a month.

it's really really not, and it's frustrating how you point to the status quo as justification for the status quo
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 30 2016 00:17 GMT
#69874
Because stupid.
Also, because primaries are set more by the parties, which claim to be private organization, than by statutes.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4718 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 00:20:22
March 30 2016 00:19 GMT
#69875
On March 30 2016 09:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 09:13 Introvert wrote:
Is he talking about the months immediately prior to the November election? Or the primary season? I don't mind the length of either, but surely it's obvious why the primary season can't be just a month.

it's really really not, and it's frustrating how you point to the status quo as justification for the status quo


Justification is: there are a lot of voters all over the country. It takes a long time to campaign around these voters. Therefore, the election season takes a long time to complete.

Or are we living in fantasy land where the core of the system is suddenly something different? FPTP isn't going anywhere, so whining about it is pretty pointless.

You could even adopt a different view. Primaries give opportunities for voters in solid one party states (such as myself) a chance to perhaps have a say in who is the nominee. So the candidates have to campaign.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 30 2016 00:19 GMT
#69876
On March 30 2016 08:33 oneofthem wrote:
sanders would do a lot for his own cause if he just toned down the outright marxist sounding rhetoric. for many people it is the sense of the radical left about him that is offputting


That's his entire appeal. To be far left. To pretend that America can be Denmark or Sweden on education and what not. For "true progressive change". If he weren't that way, he'd never have gotten this far.

Judging by the crowd's he keeps pulling and the rabidness of his fanbase, I always figured the Sandernistas would be vs Trump in the end because they both have the most loyal bases and can pull the largest crowds. It's been great fun to see the left wake up a little as they keep calling out every news organization on facebook saying every organization is in Hillary's pocket and they should mention Bernie more. Especially the NYT readers.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 30 2016 00:20 GMT
#69877
On March 30 2016 09:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 09:13 Introvert wrote:
Is he talking about the months immediately prior to the November election? Or the primary season? I don't mind the length of either, but surely it's obvious why the primary season can't be just a month.

it's really really not, and it's frustrating how you point to the status quo as justification for the status quo

Look at the Republican primary, it started with what, like 12 candidates? A month is not really enough time for the average person to have a good understanding of the positions/differences between all of those candidates. Sure it is possible with spending time researching or staying glued to the news constantly, but that is pretty atypical.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 00:24:51
March 30 2016 00:24 GMT
#69878
On March 30 2016 09:19 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2016 08:33 oneofthem wrote:
sanders would do a lot for his own cause if he just toned down the outright marxist sounding rhetoric. for many people it is the sense of the radical left about him that is offputting


That's his entire appeal. To be far left. To pretend that America can be Denmark or Sweden on education and what not. For "true progressive change". If he weren't that way, he'd never have gotten this far.

Judging by the crowd's he keeps pulling and the rabidness of his fanbase, I always figured the Sandernistas would be vs Trump in the end because they both have the most loyal bases and can pull the largest crowds. It's been great fun to see the left wake up a little as they keep calling out every news organization on facebook saying every organization is in Hillary's pocket and they should mention Bernie more. Especially the NYT readers.


Interestingly, the last Gallup poll showed that Trump and Clinton have the most enthusiastic supporters.

Source

I dont know how important this ultimately is this is entailed in their respective positive demographics.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
March 30 2016 00:27 GMT
#69879
I blame the media as well. Year long 'election' coverage is pretty nice for these 24h news agencies that need to have things to drivel on about endlessly. Not to mention the networks themselves benefit financially from it.

On a side note, I'll leave this here:
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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 00:31:11
March 30 2016 00:30 GMT
#69880
It's hard to compare the US with parliamentary countries. The only major presidential countries I can think of are Brazil and Mexico. And while we don't have a protracted process to choose candidates, we're in the midst of a protracted process to impeach the president, so take it as you will.
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