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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 17 2016 20:26 GMT
#67621
Google "free tax returns"
File Taxes
???
Profit (preferably as little as possible)

Whatever site I used did state taxes as well, whole thing cost ~$15 I think. Super easy and definitely worth it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 20:28 GMT
#67622
I’ll be honest, $15 is worth it for a clean, helpful UI and good back up record keeping.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43277 Posts
March 17 2016 20:31 GMT
#67623
You don't actually have to pay until you hit the file button though. It's entirely possible to go all the way through to the end with the paid software online versions, hit print to get your draft filing and then fill out the boxes yourself.

Although saving $15 here and there is a little off my overall point which is that the system doesn't achieve the stated goal of creating a system of incentives and disincentives for the population and instead just puts money into the pockets of tax preparers, those able to exploit it and anyone selling cars in the first few months of the year at the expense of the working poor.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 17 2016 20:32 GMT
#67624
small business stuff is a bit of a mess especially having to deal with the ny state tax.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
March 17 2016 20:36 GMT
#67625
Filling out Washington state taxes as a self-employed personal trainer was a nightmare; shit's much easier now as a research assistant law student
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
March 17 2016 20:39 GMT
#67626
Lol the front page of this threads picture.
I post only when my brain works.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 17 2016 20:44 GMT
#67627
The U.S. government is running a massive corporate welfare program for coal companies, prioritizing Big Coal’s interests over the environment and taxpayers, according to a Greenpeace report released Thursday based on government documents.

Much of the country’s largest coal deposits west of the Mississippi River sit beneath federal land. That coal is owned by taxpayers and leased to coal companies by the government. Federally owned coal accounts for three-quarters of what’s mined by three of the largest U.S. coal companies — Arch Coal, Peabody Coal, and Cloud Peak Energy — according to documents obtained by Greenpeace recently through a Freedom of Information Act request. The companies have the right to mine that coal for a fraction of its real value.

A problem with charging companies so little to mine government-owned coal is that it doesn’t account for costs to the environment. Coal is one of the dirtiest fossil fuels, causing smog, acid rain, and air pollution when it burned by power plants. It’s the world’s leading cause of carbon emissions, which cause climate change, and even in the short term can cause respiratory, cardiovascular, and nervous system issues for those exposed to its pollutants.

Adding the social cost of burning coal would bump up the price of leasing these mining rights by $5 billion to $55 billion — depending on how you calculate damage to the environment — to the totals paid to the government each year. And that’s just for the three largest coal companies, according to the report.

The American Coal Council, an industry group, noted in a statement in January that the industry has paid American taxpayers $12 billion over the last decade, or just over $1 billion a year. That means the industry should be paying five-fold what it does now, using the most conservative estimate of coal’s social cost cited by Greenpeace.


Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 17 2016 20:46 GMT
#67628
That is a huge upgrade. Makes the thread way better.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 21:00:11
March 17 2016 20:49 GMT
#67629
On March 18 2016 05:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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The U.S. government is running a massive corporate welfare program for coal companies, prioritizing Big Coal’s interests over the environment and taxpayers, according to a Greenpeace report released Thursday based on government documents.

Much of the country’s largest coal deposits west of the Mississippi River sit beneath federal land. That coal is owned by taxpayers and leased to coal companies by the government. Federally owned coal accounts for three-quarters of what’s mined by three of the largest U.S. coal companies — Arch Coal, Peabody Coal, and Cloud Peak Energy — according to documents obtained by Greenpeace recently through a Freedom of Information Act request. The companies have the right to mine that coal for a fraction of its real value.

A problem with charging companies so little to mine government-owned coal is that it doesn’t account for costs to the environment. Coal is one of the dirtiest fossil fuels, causing smog, acid rain, and air pollution when it burned by power plants. It’s the world’s leading cause of carbon emissions, which cause climate change, and even in the short term can cause respiratory, cardiovascular, and nervous system issues for those exposed to its pollutants.

Adding the social cost of burning coal would bump up the price of leasing these mining rights by $5 billion to $55 billion — depending on how you calculate damage to the environment — to the totals paid to the government each year. And that’s just for the three largest coal companies, according to the report.

The American Coal Council, an industry group, noted in a statement in January that the industry has paid American taxpayers $12 billion over the last decade, or just over $1 billion a year. That means the industry should be paying five-fold what it does now, using the most conservative estimate of coal’s social cost cited by Greenpeace.


Source


Err, take a look at the stock price of major coal companies over the last few years.

Peabody $1000/sh -> $2/sh
Arch $340 -> $0.26

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If you invested in coal, you would have lost basically everything (-100% return).
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
March 17 2016 20:49 GMT
#67630
On March 18 2016 05:46 Plansix wrote:
That is a huge upgrade. Makes the thread great again.

ftfy
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 21:19:10
March 17 2016 20:50 GMT
#67631
need more hillary.


obama agrees

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 17 2016 21:19 GMT
#67632
There's enough hilarity.
On track to MA1950A.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
March 17 2016 21:30 GMT
#67633
On March 18 2016 05:50 oneofthem wrote:
need more hillary.


obama agrees

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0



Great, now the Sandernistas have support for their victim complex.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 17 2016 21:31 GMT
#67634
But, while he stressed that he was not endorsing either candidate, and that both would make good presidents

lol he doesn't believe that
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
March 17 2016 21:35 GMT
#67635
On March 18 2016 04:24 KwarK wrote:
To put it simply. The way it works in the UK is as follows
Company plans to pay you $X. It reports this to Inland Revenue. Inland Revenue tells the company to take $Y from that. Company gives you $X-Y and gives the government $Y. At the end of the year the company sends the Inland Revenue a summary and they calculate if you've overpaid and if you have you get a check.

The way it works in the US is as follows
Company plans to pay you $X. They ask you how much of that you'd like to withhold for taxes. However you don't fucking know. They give you a worksheet. The worksheet asks you to enter 1 for your spouse and 1 if you have at least $2000 of child or dependent care expenses. You go through the worksheet which is designed to account for the various credits you may be eligible so you don't overwithhold too much. Then you call your dad and ask him what he did on his W4 and he says that he always puts 0 because he doesn't want to owe tax and he always gets a big refund. You take another look at the form, if your total income will be less than $70,000 ($100,000) if married enter 2 for each eligible child. You write 0 on it.
Company receives W4. The W4 tells them how much of your pay to give to the IRS. This is not the amount the IRS wants. This is the amount you told them to give the IRS because fuck it. Company gives $Y to the IRS, an arbitrary high number and you receive $X-Y. At the end of the year the IRS now have 12$Y but they only wanted $Z. You are therefore owed 12$Y-$Z. But you don't know how much $Z is because fuck all of this. A third party company approaches you and offers to calculate how much $Z is for you and then get the IRS to give back 12$Y-$Z if you give them 0.1*(12$Y-$Z). You agree.

You then bitch about how high your tax rate was and complain about immigrants while failing to understand that Z was always $0.


Your point about US taxes is fair, but UK taxes are all kinds of bullshit. My dad worked in the UK for a few years when I was a kid. A decade and a half after we left, he's still inexplicably paying taxes there.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 17 2016 21:35 GMT
#67636
On March 18 2016 06:31 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
But, while he stressed that he was not endorsing either candidate, and that both would make good presidents

lol he doesn't believe that

In fairness, I doubt that Obama thinks much of either of them.
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
March 17 2016 21:39 GMT
#67637
Clinton is the most hated politician in the country, deserved or undeserved. Even Bernie supporters hate Clinton. Trump will win easily vs Clinton.

The democratic party is in a bubble.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 21:41:10
March 17 2016 21:40 GMT
#67638
I find strange the contempt shown by some hillary supporters to bernie supporters. It seems nothing but counterproductive to annoy those who you're trying to get on board, or rather will have to try to get onboard once the inevitable happens.
Bora Pain minha porra!
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
March 17 2016 21:43 GMT
#67639
How many states containing what portion of the US population has voted to pick a nominee so far on the Democratic side?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 21:48:19
March 17 2016 21:43 GMT
#67640
The question is, do Bernie supporters fear Trump enough to go out and vote for Clinton?
Anyway, it only matters in swing states. If you aren't in a swing state, your vote doesn't count.


But is it really that scary to have Trump for president when the alternative is someone who has voted for a 15 trillion bailout and a 2 trillion war? She doesn't even regret those decisions.

Write off another 17 trillion dollar or so the moment she is president.


People voted for Obama because he promised change. Those same people won't elect Clinton to finally deliver. We need a sledgehammer.
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