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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Before the Trump machine got rolling I was pretty sure Sanders would be president because he had the most rabid fans. Now that the Trump machine is in full effect it's kind of crazy the pull he brings. After Chicago though I'm not so sure what Bernies base will do. They lost a lot of people for that stint they pulled and their continued immaturity. If Trump doesn't crush, I'm calling rigged elections. He's talked to like millions of people at his rallies by now. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On March 15 2016 14:15 Slaughter wrote: I would say its because your organic meat costs more and has no significant health benefits over non organic meat. http://www.newsweek.com/dirty-truth-about-organic-produce-379464 Kind offtopic, but regarding meat, it's not only about the meat quality but who cuts it. The difference between the proccessed meat and your marketplace meat dealer, if he is good, is huge. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
I still have hopes for Sanders. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 15 2016 19:33 Godwrath wrote: Kind offtopic, but regarding meat, it's not only about the meat quality but who cuts it. The difference between the proccessed meat and your marketplace meat dealer, if he is good, is huge. There is a reason Alton Brown pushes for people to have a relationship with their local butcher. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 15 2016 13:56 Slaughter wrote: People already put "non gmo" on their products. All this all natural shit is silly in my book, just squeezes extra money out of people. They have organic everything now when in reality "organic" just means "idiot tax" for food. Why do you care so much if people want to spend more money for organic produce? Normal food is cheaper and more readily available than organic produce. So why exactly are you disparaging other's choice in food as "idiots"? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why do you care so much if people want to spend more money for organic produce? Normal food is cheaper and more readily available than organic produce. So why exactly are you disparaging other's choice in food as "idiots"? Same reason some people get mad at the person at the party that says "I don't drink". | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 15 2016 19:01 SK.Testie wrote: Trump should crush. Before the Trump machine got rolling I was pretty sure Sanders would be president because he had the most rabid fans. Now that the Trump machine is in full effect it's kind of crazy the pull he brings. After Chicago though I'm not so sure what Bernies base will do. They lost a lot of people for that stint they pulled and their continued immaturity. If Trump doesn't crush, I'm calling rigged elections. He's talked to like millions of people at his rallies by now. If the candidates with the most hardcore fans were always successful, every democratic country would be governed by extremists by now... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On March 15 2016 13:34 IgnE wrote: I have given more than one and you haven't responded to any of them. But by all means keep asking "what makes it any different?" You said you were concerned with chemical use on plants. The majority of GMO products are designed as part and parcel of a chemical-based, intensive farming practice to increase yields. That should be reason enough for you to want to know which products are GM, given that labeling what chemicals we put on plants for herbicides and pesticides is no doubt going to be even more vociferously protested by the Ag lobby as unduly prejudicial. I think we should be told not only that the products are GM but also what genes were changed, how they affect the phenotype, and how they differ from other cultivars. This product contains genetically modified corn. The original gene 1:8001-18000 has been modified from ACTCAGGGTTGCTAAGTCG.... (goes on for a while) and it's naturally ocurring variants: ACTCAGGGTTGACGTACGG... ... to ACTGTCGGTTGCTAAGTCG... This is expressed in the phenotype as an increased production of the protein CrylA in mesophyll cells. + Show Spoiler + This is all gibberish, but it is a fictional example of what you're asking for | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4460 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:27 OtherWorld wrote: If the candidates with the most hardcore fans were always successful, every democratic country would be governed by extremists by now... How'd that 75% tax on Frances wealthiest go? | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8215 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: How'd that 75% tax on Frances wealthiest go? If you think Hollande is a left wing extremist, you REALLY should stop writing on this thread, and go read a bit about international and european politics, because he is at the very very very right fringe of the French left wing, on every single issue, be it economics, inequalities, immigration, security and so on. If anything, he represents the extreme centre, with a total lack of ideology. So again, if you feel the need to compare the mildest politician in French history with Donald Trump, I would very respectfully inform you that you have absolutely not the slightest clue of what you are talking about. (Also and that's beyond the point), the 75% taxes would have been low before the Tatcher / Reagan wave, even in America. Income tax was close to 90% for the wealthiest in 1975 in the UK. Strangely enough, inequalities have boomed to incredibly toxic extent since. Try to think who are the extremists in this tax story. | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:46 oneofthem wrote: gene transfer happens naturally it is just ppl trying to invent fear over it because they politically dislike the situation of course they happen naturally, humans are also natural, as are buildings, nuclear reactors and ant hills. but truisms do not advance the debate i would summarize it as follows: can genetic modification via radiation induced mutation and selection produce adverse outcomes of gene transfer from the breeded species to the wild? yes ofc it is totally possible is it a widespread issue? apparently not are the spliced genes transfered from totally different ecosystems an advancement in what we currently could not generate by mutation and selection (since that is pretty much an incremental process)? yes they are is there a possibility that some of those genes could have adverse effects in the new ecosystems we use them in (just like rabbits in australia, or crabs from ship ballast tanks all over the atlantic coast)? of course they can should we study the issue with due dilgence: i think so | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8215 Posts
On March 15 2016 19:01 SK.Testie wrote: Trump should crush. Before the Trump machine got rolling I was pretty sure Sanders would be president because he had the most rabid fans. Now that the Trump machine is in full effect it's kind of crazy the pull he brings. After Chicago though I'm not so sure what Bernies base will do. They lost a lot of people for that stint they pulled and their continued immaturity. If Trump doesn't crush, I'm calling rigged elections. He's talked to like millions of people at his rallies by now. I think Trump has no chance. He has fanatics supporters, but he scares the shit out of most people, for right reasons. His rhetoric of violence, brutality, demagoguery and lies won't apply to independent voters, who are the ones you need to convince once the primaries are over. That's good, because it means Hillary won't face Cruz, who would be a much more serious rival and is probably almost as dangerous. "You can always expect americans to do the right thing when they have exhausted all the other options"... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:43 puerk wrote: changed expression rates aren't where the concerns come from, most people (that study the issue) are concerned about horizontal gen transfers of genes foreign to the ecosystem the GMO is used in... Absolutely. And if you want to have a mature discussion about GMOs, I guess we can try. But IgnE wasn't addressing any of the real issues (as IgnE never does) and I was just making fun of him and his absurd point. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:55 Biff The Understudy wrote: I think Trump has no chance. He has fanatics supporters, but he scares the shit out of most people, for right reasons. His rhetoric of violence, brutality, demagoguery and lies won't apply to independent voters, who are the ones you need to convince once the primaries are over. That's good, because it means Hillary won't face Cruz, who would be a much more serious rival and is probably almost as dangerous. "You can always expect americans to do the right thing when they have exhausted all the other options"... Cruz would not really be a serious rival. He's really far to the right, and he was responsible for the last government shutdown, so there is no chance he would be able to grab enough votes in the middle and in swing states to be a real threat to Clinton. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4460 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: If you think Hollande is a left wing extremist, you REALLY should stop writing on this thread, and go read a bit about international and european politics, because he is at the very very very right fringe of the French left wing, on every single issue, be it economics, inequalities, immigration, security and so on. If anything, he represents the extreme centre, with a total lack of ideology. So again, if you feel the need to compare the mildest politician in French history with Donald Trump, I would very respectfully inform you that you have absolutely not the slightest clue of what you are talking about. (Also and that's beyond the point), the 75% taxes would have been low before the Tatcher / Reagan wave, even in America. Income tax was close to 90% for the wealthiest in 1975 in the UK. Strangely enough, inequalities have boomed to incredibly toxic extent since. Try to think who are the extremists in this tax story. You didn't answer the question. How did the 75% tax on Frances wealthiest people work out? | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4460 Posts
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/03/15/donald-trump-wins-in-northern-mariana-islands-gop-caucus/ | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On March 15 2016 20:53 puerk wrote: of course they happen naturally, humans are also natural, as are buildings, nuclear reactors and ant hills. but truisms do not advance the debate i would summarize it as follows: can genetic modification via radiation induced mutation and selection produce adverse outcomes of gene transfer from the breeded species to the wild? yes ofc it is totally possible is it a widespread issue? apparently not are the spliced genes transfered from totally different ecosystems an advancement in what we currently could not generate by mutation and selection (since that is pretty much an incremental process)? yes they are is there a possibility that some of those genes could have adverse effects in the new ecosystems we use them in (just like rabbits in australia, or crabs from ship ballast tanks all over the atlantic coast)? of course they can should we study the issue with due dilgence: i think so it should be studied sure, but they are probably already doing that given the emphasis in the literature. gene exchange is a really basic natural process and it doesn't necessarily have harmful effects, if the effects are even significant. if you want to address monoculture the right process to look at is the economic structure of seed production, rather than the technology used to produce it. | ||
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