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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 02 2016 22:06 OtherWorld wrote: I rate your sarcasm detector 16,64/20. Or whatever that is converted to American grades, I guess A-? 16.64/20 = .832 = B/B- | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
go Trump!; he's the lesser evil. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 02 2016 19:59 zeo wrote: The elephant in the room ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t4Lu5DX.png) They made a point of getting an early southern states "coalition". Basicly the reason why Cruz is so fucked even if he did better than Rubio (they're basicly both really fucked). The states so far are really, really good for him and he needs to do way better in them whereas the later you get the more liberal it gets: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sZu4rfU.png) That's a lot of south there for a super Tuesday. As an example, since you compared to 2008 + Show Spoiler [picture] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eGDZFqR.png) not really that surprising especially like people said, Trump really energizes the party. There's a lot of people who vote to see him get the nomination and there's also a lot of people who'd do anything to make sure he won't. That'd be be the more interesting stat here I feel if there's info on that available. That being said, the republican turnout is pretty massive no matter how you look at it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23459 Posts
On March 02 2016 20:19 Gorsameth wrote: Out of genuine curiosity. How do you think Sanders course for the nomination is looking now? Better or worse then before Super Tuesday. Well we've had a long view before going into super Tuesday. With that in mind, the results were about what was expected for the course. Short answer is that the course hasn't changed really. Mass. would of been nice and made it easier, it being essentially a tie didn't hurt though. On March 02 2016 20:36 SoSexy wrote: Is it true that Clinton said something like 'We dont need walls, we need love?' xD Yeah that's this week, a few months ago she supported "building a barrier to keep illegal immigrants out". That people believe a word out of her mouth never ceases to amaze me. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
wow I thought you had a reputation of being kind when evaluating your students | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
On March 02 2016 15:00 oBlade wrote: It's mostly an argument of exclusion: -Kasich has said he won't be anyone's VP (although I would like him to be President, I don't think he could beat Hillary). -Carson, the other candidate who currently has amicable relations with Trump, has high favorability among Republicans, but is possibly not interested or up for it. He'd possibly be more suited to be Secretary of HHS. -Chris Christie I'm also worried about after seeing him with Trump today, but basically they're too similar (strong executive, big noisy guy from NY/NJ) so Christie doesn't add anything to Trump's ticket that's not already there besides complimenting Obama once when the hurricane hit. Also, Christie is obviously more suited for Attorney General in a Trump administration. -Cruz and Rubio are both going to stay in too long, and otherwise wouldn't want to be his running mate probably. -I doubt Bush would ever do it or get the offer. -Fiorina, despite being a woman (tradition from the 2008 ticket), is, like Trump, famous as a businessperson -Huckabee, et al. too irrelevant. The religious right isn't going to decide this election. -Jim Gilmore may be possible. Rand Paul has a very deliberate, rational personality, and is an actual politician, but also not a mainstream establishment politician. He's well-known for libertarianism, and I think that strengthens Trump's broad appeal. And as a senator, he's on the foreign relations committee. Foreign relations is something Trump has strong rhetoric on, but Rand Paul has actual experience with. (This was one of the strengths of Biden being Obama's running mate, by the way.) That's how I settled on Rand Paul. It's entirely possible Trump goes outside the candidates for a running mate, of course. Rand Paul is a man of integrity. And he genuinely thinks extremely lowly of Trump, that much was very evident during all the debates. There's no way Paul would accept - nor is there any way Trump would offer. Their relation, if they have one, is one of mutual contempt. Chris Christie is the only possible running mate candidate, other than that I've seen Mark Cuban's name flying around, which seems kinda plausible in that he's like, the one guy most similar to Trump? They have a history as well - Cuban offered Trump 1 million to shave his head in the past.  | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On March 02 2016 16:53 zeo wrote: Sanders going though better than expected. Looking at those exit polls he is going to have a nice time once they get out of the southern states, he just might pull it off. On March 02 2016 22:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Well we've had a long view before going into super Tuesday. With that in mind, the results were about what was expected for the course. Short answer is that the course hasn't changed really. Mass. would of been nice and made it easier, it being essentially a tie didn't hurt though. Come on, let's not kid ourselves here. Massachusetts clearly hurt for Sanders, since he's overall way below his targets to reach the nomination. See 538 and how he should have performed tonight, taking into account the states where he's favored down the road. It might not be obvious when you look at the states since 4-7 might seem like an OK defeat for Sanders, but overall Clinton has pretty much mounted a delegate lead he has little hope of erasing. See this re-cap on 538. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On March 02 2016 20:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: How come you dodged Igne's question about what race you and your girlfriend are? (Considering how you make a point out of you two being interracial, it does make a difference, because white-asian is entirely irrelevant.) My girlfriend and I both come from immigrant families. My parents are from italy and her parents are from Jamaica. She is half black half indian and i am white. Both our families support trump as well. Alot of immigrant families support trump. Alot of liberals dont understand how illegal immigrants actual hurt people trying to come into this country legally. If you watch trump speeches he makes it clear he doesnt hate immigrants. He just wants people to come in legally with a good record. Most countries have a strict border and immigration policy. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
On March 02 2016 17:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Clintons victory speech... "Trying to divide America between us and them is wrong". Laughable.Noone has done more to divide America than Clinton and the democratic party.Stonewalling any objecting views by calling that person a racist, sexist, homophobe, bigot, transphobe or using terms like whitesplaining or mansplaining is the definition of creating division. While everyone except some vocal college students agree that PC culture has gone too far, it would to me seem like everyone should also agree that racism, sexism, homophobia and bigotry are far more divisive than trying to call out racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots? I also thought it was nice when Ben Carson was asked (paraphrased) 'so you're the champion of the anti-PC movement, can you give any concrete examples of what you think should be an OK statement to make but which isn't due to PC culture'? and he basically had no answer. I'll extend the same question to you, because the way I see it, I am actually very much in line with the 'liberal agenda' in terms of how important political correctness is. That is, I vehemently disagree with the most extreme examples of college campuses defining acceptable words or phrases, and I think regulating halloween costumes is at best a silly endeavor. However, I also think it's good that words like 'nigger, spic,faggot' are completely unaccaptable in almost any setting, and I don't think the word 'gay' should be used as a 'generic negative effeminate phrase'. Please come up with a statement that you feel you really would like to be able to state or a topic of discussion you would really like to have, but which PC culture stops you from engaging in. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
On March 02 2016 23:13 SolaR- wrote: My girlfriend and I both come from immigrant families. My parents are from italy and her parents are from Jamaica. She is half black half indian and i am white. Both our families support trump as well. Alot of immigrant families support trump. Alot of liberals dont understand how illegal immigrants actual hurt people trying to come into this country legally. If you watch trump speeches he makes it clear he doesnt hate immigrants. He just wants people to come in legally with a good record. Most countries have a strict border and immigration policy. Fair enough. I don't actually have any problems with understanding why legal immigrants would support someone trying to kick out the illegal immigrants (there are lots of possible explanations for this), I just thought it was weird how you were asked twice what race your interracial relationship was without answering, while you did answer other posts.  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
On March 02 2016 22:45 OtherWorld wrote: wow I thought you had a reputation of being kind when evaluating your students They actually just have incredibly easy questions and use way more multiple choice. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On March 02 2016 23:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: Fair enough. I don't actually have any problems with understanding why legal immigrants would support someone trying to kick out the illegal immigrants (there are lots of possible explanations for this), I just thought it was weird how you were asked twice what race your interracial relationship was without answering, while you did answer other posts. I didnt feel i was asked nicely. But you asked nicely so i responded | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 02 2016 22:45 OtherWorld wrote: wow I thought you had a reputation of being kind when evaluating your students I'm...not a teacher? ._. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 02 2016 23:24 SolaR- wrote: I didnt feel i was asked nicely. But you asked nicely so i responded What leadership experience do you think Trump brings to the economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy? How familiar are you with The Trump Organization LLC? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
By "you" I meant "America", not specifically you^^ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 02 2016 23:16 Liquid`Drone wrote: While everyone except some vocal college students agree that PC culture has gone too far, it would to me seem like everyone should also agree that racism, sexism, homophobia and bigotry are far more divisive than trying to call out racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots? I also thought it was nice when Ben Carson was asked (paraphrased) 'so you're the champion of the anti-PC movement, can you give any concrete examples of what you think should be an OK statement to make but which isn't due to PC culture'? and he basically had no answer. I'll extend the same question to you, because the way I see it, I am actually very much in line with the 'liberal agenda' in terms of how important political correctness is. That is, I vehemently disagree with the most extreme examples of college campuses defining acceptable words or phrases, and I think regulating halloween costumes is at best a silly endeavor. However, I also think it's good that words like 'nigger, spic,faggot' are completely unaccaptable in almost any setting, and I think don't think the word 'gay' should be used as a 'generic negative effeminate phrase'. Please come up with a statement that you feel you really would like to be able to state or a topic of discussion you would really like to have, but which PC culture stops you from engaging in. PC culture has “gone too far” is a lazy phrase, imo. It tries to lump all progressives and anyone with a concern about these issues into one group. Anyone who deals with progressives and “PC culture” knows there are shitty people in it. And the more rational, level headed people in that community deal with them far more often. And strongly dislike having to do so. The contests of "who is most progressive" is tiring and pointless, but some people love it. The problem is when those shitty people are used as an excuse to dismiss all complaints. And I have said it before, shitty protests are a big part of college tradition. It is part of the learning experience on how to change things. And terrible, totally unreasonable demands are nothing new. And most of those protests end is some sort of compromise, which is why should happen. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
But then, I write this realizing that the genuinely racist makes up a small portion of his base. Still enough to judge him based on, but then, I also have to accept that people will judge my side of the political spectrum based on what a vocal and ridiculous minority states or claims. For my opinion that Trump should distance himself from the white supremacist vote to have any real weight behind it, I must be consistent, and similarly distance myself from what I consider ridiculous leftists. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism Shortly after the Iowa Republican caucus, in which Trump came in a close second, Vox partnered with the Washington-based media and polling company Morning Consult to test American authoritarians along a range of political and social views — and to test some hypotheses we had developed after speaking with the leading political scientists of the field. What we found is a phenomenon that explains, with remarkable clarity, the rise of Donald Trump — but that is also much larger than him, shedding new light on some of the biggest political stories of the past decade. Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom. The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election. | ||
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