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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:22:14
March 01 2016 22:20 GMT
#61841
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression

or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density

unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue

sigh
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 22:22 GMT
#61842
It is getting sad. Bernie supporters are currently defacing Elizabeth Warren's Facebook page for not endorsing him. This isn't a good look.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 01 2016 22:24 GMT
#61843
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
March 01 2016 22:26 GMT
#61844
On March 02 2016 07:24 oneofthem wrote:
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious


People are naive enough to believe it's not nefarious. She isn't refusing to bring back a modern Glass-Steagall because it would be bad policy.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 22:27 GMT
#61845
On March 02 2016 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 07:24 oneofthem wrote:
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious


People are naive enough to believe it's not nefarious. She isn't refusing to bring back a modern Glass-Steagall because it would be bad policy.

Just as long as you found a way to feel superior to everyone during this moment of loss.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
March 01 2016 22:28 GMT
#61846
Is it too optimistic to hope that after Sanders drops out this forum will become readable again?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10696 Posts
March 01 2016 22:29 GMT
#61847
Trump vs Clinton is up next... It will get worse
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
March 01 2016 22:29 GMT
#61848
On March 02 2016 07:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 02 2016 07:24 oneofthem wrote:
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious


People are naive enough to believe it's not nefarious. She isn't refusing to bring back a modern Glass-Steagall because it would be bad policy.

Just as long as you found a way to feel superior to everyone during this moment of loss.


rofl, nothing about superior, and Hillary not losing states that Democrats won't win in a general is not much of a win.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
March 01 2016 22:30 GMT
#61849
On March 02 2016 06:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Before the votes are even counted Hillary is already planning to meet with an NRA fundraiser

ROFL, please do not attempt to paint Hillary as more pro-guns than Bernie. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I hope after tonight Sanders realizes that his best choice is to make a deal with Hillary, drop out and support her. That's clearly the best road to have a Democrat in the White House, and to see Democrats win seats in Congress (and in the Supreme Court, for that matter). March the 16th should honestly be the latest for him to drop out.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:34:35
March 01 2016 22:31 GMT
#61850
Glass Steagall would have no real effect, except be a huge pain in the ass for JP Morgan-Chase, Bank of America-Merril Lynch, Suntrust- Robinson Humphrey and a few others which would have to split up their commercial/retail banking and investment banking parts. I imagine it would make Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and some of the others investment banks happy though. The banks are required to keep separate balance sheets for their divisions anyways.

Hillary does have a financial reform plan believe it or not.

On March 02 2016 07:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
rofl, nothing about superior, and Hillary not losing states that Democrats won't win in a general is not much of a win.


You heard it here folks, those guys don't matter. Get your fucking head out of the sand, There are a ton of Democratic voters there, and they elect Democrats to Congress and to numerous state and local positions. Of course, Bernie Sanders hasn't given two shits about the downballot candidates he would need for his supposed revolution.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 22:32 GMT
#61851
On March 02 2016 07:28 zf wrote:
Is it too optimistic to hope that after Sanders drops out this forum will become readable again?

The dreams are real. I shut down my facebook page too. I'll be happy when this primary is over.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
March 01 2016 22:33 GMT
#61852
On March 02 2016 07:30 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Before the votes are even counted Hillary is already planning to meet with an NRA fundraiser

ROFL, please do not attempt to paint Hillary as more pro-guns than Bernie. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I hope after tonight Sanders realizes that his best choice is to make a deal with Hillary, drop out and support her. That's clearly the best road to have a Democrat in the White House, and to see Democrats win seats in Congress (and in the Supreme Court, for that matter). March the 16th should honestly be the latest for him to drop out.


Hillary didn't drop out I doubt Bernie will. I didn't try to paint her as more "pro-guns" she's pro money, and she'll take it from anyone. I can only imagine how she would of portrayed it had Bernie got help fundraising from the NRA lol.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:35:12
March 01 2016 22:34 GMT
#61853
Whenever headhunters called, Frederick Steiner would tell them thanks but no thanks – he was content in his job as dean of the school of architecture at the University of Texas at Austin. Then the state passed a “campus carry” law and recruiters heard a different answer.

Amid fears that the law’s passage is leading to a “brain drain” of academics and will discourage students from applying, Steiner’s is a high profile departure tied to the new statute. One of the university’s most distinguished professors, he will become the dean of the University of Pennsylvania School of Design in the summer.

“I was very happy in Austin and love the University of Texas and the school of architecture,” he said. But the law, on top of worries over the effect of budget cuts, persuaded him to move to his alma mater.

“I, in a way, felt that public higher education was under assault, and then the campus carry bill came along and required us to allow people with concealed handgun permits to be inside of buildings and it excluded private universities in the state, even though many of the private universities receive various big subsidies,” he said. “In that context, when I was called in the fall by several universities I didn’t say no.”

The law goes into effect on 1 August. It requires public universities in Texas to allow license-holders – who must be aged over 21 and must have undergone background checks and rudimentary training – to carry concealed handguns on most parts of campus. Private universities can opt out and so far all the state’s major institutions have chosen that route.

Driven by passionate campaigns from faculty and students in Austin, the University of Texas, the state’s pre-eminent public university, has led the fightback against the bill, which was passed by Texas’s Republican-dominated legislature last year. The law allows for limited gun-free zones in certain sensitive places such as laboratories containing dangerous chemicals. But last month Gregory Fenves, the university’s president, reluctantly concluded in a report finalising his campus policies that weapons could not be banned from classrooms.

While proponents argue that more guns on campus may enhance personal safety, and would allow the exercise of second amendment rights, critics reject the security claim and say that campus carry will impact free speech because students and faculty will be wary of exchanging controversial ideas and entering into heated debates with people who may be packing a pistol.


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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 01 2016 22:35 GMT
#61854
On March 02 2016 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 07:24 oneofthem wrote:
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious


People are naive enough to believe it's not nefarious. She isn't refusing to bring back a modern Glass-Steagall because it would be bad policy.

glass steagall isnt going to work with the legitimate growth of financial trchnology. what you do with glass steagall is to simply push a lot of the activities off the books and into shadow banking. the correct or at least workable solution is more transparency and vigilant monitoring rather than loads of paperwork. she is by no means popular on wall street.

you have george soros as her biggest wall street donor the guy who is funding inet and all these lefty economics to try and reign in the excesses of finance and also solve inequality. she has the toughest and most effective finance regulator we've had in gary gensler leading her wall street regulation efforts. these two are probably two of the most hated dudes in finance
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 01 2016 22:37 GMT
#61855
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23209 Posts
March 01 2016 22:42 GMT
#61856
On March 02 2016 07:35 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 07:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 02 2016 07:24 oneofthem wrote:
people are not informed enough to understand why a ny senator has some corporate donations. it is not necessarily nefarious


People are naive enough to believe it's not nefarious. She isn't refusing to bring back a modern Glass-Steagall because it would be bad policy.

glass steagall isnt going to work with the legitimate growth of financial trchnology. what you do with glass steagall is to simply push a lot of the activities off the books and into shadow banking. the correct or at least workable solution is more transparency and vigilant monitoring rather than loads of paperwork. she is by no means popular on wall street.

you have george soros as her biggest wall street donor the guy who is funding inet and all these lefty economics to try and reign in the excesses of finance and also solve inequality. she has the toughest and most effective finance regulator we've had in gary gensler leading her wall street regulation efforts. these two are probably two of the most hated dudes in finance


Goodness, it's like people can't even see how the game is played let alone the goal. Soros isn't acting benevolently it's about which billionaires can expand their wealth more. Why do folks think the Koch brothers want to reform wall st too. Has nothing to do with the devastation they have caused, it's about them being bitter that Hedgefund guys could make so much without creating real products.

Being the Wall St people who have an inside track on Hillary's plans would be worth exponentially more than they have contributed.

I suspect if Hillary manages to win in some new thread a couple years from now I'll be able to point back here and say "I told you so".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 22:45 GMT
#61857
Wall Street Reform and taxes are two separate things. More regulation of wall street won't be effective until we fund and staff the agencies that enforce those laws. So creating boat loads of paperwork won't fix the problem. It will just give the problem out of regulated areas and there will not be enough people enforce the laws.

Oversight is better than simply creating more laws. No every attempt as regulating Wall Street is going to be a winner.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 01 2016 22:46 GMT
#61858
soros is like 85 he is in there for ideological reasons.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
March 01 2016 22:49 GMT
#61859
On March 02 2016 07:05 Yoav wrote:
Clinton and Wall St. is the only live question in all this. Wall St. supported Obama because they thought he was a pliable corporatist. They were right. Is Clinton? Who knows.

Hillary and Wall St are best buds. She was the senator from NY for a term, so she is pretty much their representative.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 01 2016 22:50 GMT
#61860
On March 02 2016 05:40 oneofthem wrote:
xdaunt is the trump of the US Politics thread.

The more that I think about it, the more frighteningly accurate it is. I suspect that I'm just a wee bit more principled, though.
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