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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 21:47 GMT
#61821
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No one in this thread has claimed that. Only that he is to happy to accept their support.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 01 2016 21:48 GMT
#61822
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists


So what races?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
March 01 2016 21:49 GMT
#61823
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No, we're saying that most racists and white supremacists are trump supporters.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 01 2016 21:49 GMT
#61824
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..

Enjoy being marginalized by every other liberal on social issues. It's sad. You may never understand the surface-irrational hate directed at him. He's the candidate that should never be possible and he's been more resilient than any political sdvisor predicted--and that pisses people off. You're educated, you're not checking the boxes for racism, and you support Trump. Expect reactions of horror.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24248 Posts
March 01 2016 21:49 GMT
#61825
Before the votes are even counted Hillary is already planning to meet with an NRA fundraiser and Wall st. America will get what it deserves this election if folks are too dense to see what's right in front of them.

How people believed her rhetoric is beyond me.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 21:53 GMT
#61826
Both of those groups are involved with the US. The NRA isn’t going away. Same with Wall Street. If she doesn’t meet with them, they will just meet with someone else.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
March 01 2016 21:53 GMT
#61827
On March 02 2016 06:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No one in this thread has claimed that. Only that he is to happy to accept their support.



Deathstar has said qoute "All trump supporters are racists" hence why i quoted him earlier, and asked if he was trolling.


Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 21:55:00
March 01 2016 21:53 GMT
#61828
someone linked the timezones for the elections earlier and I found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

So if it says 8pm ET that's about when the voting is over and results will start to trickle in? Meaning it will take a couple more hours after that?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9959 Posts
March 01 2016 21:54 GMT
#61829
Absolutely they aren't all racists, but they are willing to vote for one.
RIP Meatloaf <3
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24248 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 21:57:10
March 01 2016 21:56 GMT
#61830
On March 02 2016 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Both of those groups are involved with the US. The NRA isn’t going away. Same with Wall Street. If she doesn’t meet with them, they will just meet with someone else.


Who cares if they meet with someone else? Let's be clear, she's raising money from them not just meeting also.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 21:57 GMT
#61831
On March 02 2016 06:53 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No one in this thread has claimed that. Only that he is to happy to accept their support.



Deathstar has said qoute "All trump supporters are racists" hence why i quoted him earlier, and asked if he was trolling.



We get into this weird area where they are supporting someone who is openly bigoted, has the support of bigoted people and hate groups like the KKK. So at some point, they are just ignoring all of that and saying "I think this would be good for me".

They are not expressly racist, just willing to side with racists so benefit themselves.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 01 2016 21:57 GMT
#61832
Maybe her voters don't care about that?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24248 Posts
March 01 2016 22:00 GMT
#61833
On March 02 2016 06:57 Seuss wrote:
Maybe her voters don't care about that?


Exactly, so if Hillary won and we ended up with a Republican lite president they can't act surprised or disappointed, it's what they are voting for.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
March 01 2016 22:05 GMT
#61834
On March 02 2016 06:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


My God if what you're saying is true then America is in a much worse position than I thought.
Trump is a joke, a joke that America doesn't seem to get.

I hope in November we can prove that we did get the joke, but the GOP did not.


In fairness, an awful lot of the GOP is pretty horrified by what's going on too.

On March 02 2016 06:53 Plansix wrote:
Both of those groups are involved with the US. The NRA isn’t going away. Same with Wall Street. If she doesn’t meet with them, they will just meet with someone else.


Who? Trump? Gives no shits. Bernie? Not effing likely. Cruz already has NRA support, and Wall St. will always hate him. Rubio is automatically in bed with both.

Clinton and Wall St. is the only live question in all this. Wall St. supported Obama because they thought he was a pliable corporatist. They were right. Is Clinton? Who knows.

But it almost doesn't matter. If the Rs really put up Trump, then we all just have to pray to whatever God we worship that Clinton doesn't get indicted until she's already President. (Or just pray for Bernie to do smashingly well tonight.)
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:16:37
March 01 2016 22:07 GMT
#61835
On March 02 2016 06:57 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:53 Reaps wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No one in this thread has claimed that. Only that he is to happy to accept their support.



Deathstar has said qoute "All trump supporters are racists" hence why i quoted him earlier, and asked if he was trolling.



We get into this weird area where they are supporting someone who is openly bigoted, has the support of bigoted people and hate groups like the KKK. So at some point, they are just ignoring all of that and saying "I think this would be good for me".

They are not expressly racist, just willing to side with racists so benefit themselves.


Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending him, personally trump is the last person i'd vote for, i just dislike the whole "oh your a racist" because you have a different opinion than me.

I think its more relevant in European politics. Say something negative about mass immigration? "racist!" Criticize Islam even though that Islam is not a race? "still racist!"

About Trump though i actually agree with you, he most likely is a racist, he has said some very questionable stuff in the past and like i said he would be the last guy i'd vote for, i think hes a joke.

My point is people accusing other's of being racist without any evidence of that because they say something you don't agree with is a huge part of the problem.

And as i agree that there is a racism problem in the US, the word racist is often used to try to shut down debates. (More so in Europe)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:11:54
March 01 2016 22:11 GMT
#61836
On March 02 2016 06:53 Toadesstern wrote:
someone linked the timezones for the elections earlier and I found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

So if it says 8pm ET that's about when the voting is over and results will start to trickle in? Meaning it will take a couple more hours after that?


Some polls close at 7 (Georgia, I forget who else), Massachusetts and Oklahoma close at 8, etc. until Alaska closes at midnight.

Around 8 will be where it gets the most interesting since those are the two most competitive states (at least on the Democratic side) though if one of the candidates outperforms based on results from the states closing at 7 that could be telling as well.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24248 Posts
March 01 2016 22:12 GMT
#61837
Well, early reports are that Bill campaigning in front of a polling location made it harder/impossible to vote for hours due to security (also clearly you couldn't park near the place).

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2016 22:14 GMT
#61838
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:30:00
March 01 2016 22:17 GMT
#61839
On March 02 2016 04:16 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 04:10 kwizach wrote:
On March 02 2016 04:05 xDaunt wrote:
On March 02 2016 04:03 kwizach wrote:
On March 02 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
On March 02 2016 03:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump has no plan, only catchy phrases.

I think that only people who aren't paying attention think that this is the case. It is more accurate to state that Trump has a plan, some of which he has revealed (protectionism, immigration reform, isolationism etc), and the rest of which he's purposefully obscuring (health care in particular comes to mind).

No, I think that people who are paying attention know very well that Trump has no real plan for healthcare, and that he's improvising as he goes. The same is true for protectionism, immigration reform, and isolationism. His bombastic statements don't qualify as a plan, and he's contradicted in his public interventions the little that he has put forward on his own website.

I think Trump wants single payer. He just won't say it openly because he knows that he can't right now.

He may very well want single payer, but he has no plan to implement it.

Who cares? He's going to have make a deal with Congress anyway.

The discussion was about whether or not he had actual plans. If you were willing to concede the point (that he doesn't), you shouldn't have started by arguing the opposite.

I care whether or not candidates have plans. They show how seriously the candidate takes certain issues and what they want to do about them. It also gives the electorate a chance to make a more informed decision as to whether or not they would like to support the said candidate.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 22:19:42
March 01 2016 22:19 GMT
#61840
On March 02 2016 06:53 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2016 06:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:46 SolaR- wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:43 IgnE wrote:
On March 02 2016 06:21 SolaR- wrote:
Trump will win the presidency. Depsite his antics and the false media representation of him, he is the most fit to lead than any of the nominees. He is a strong leader that wont be bullied unlike the other candidates.

Many people are naive in this thread and think that trump is just a republican phenomenon. Alot of democrats will vote for trump if he is the nominee.

My girlfriend and I are voting for him. We are an inter racial couple who are young and college educated with generally liberal views on many social issues. I dont understand the hate on trump over other republican nominees. Hes the only republican candiate with moderate views on planned parenthood, israel/palestine conflict and many other issues. Honestly, i think many of the social issues are irrelevant as trump doesn't really care about them. He only says certain things to be accepted within the republican party.

His true emphasis is on economy, trade, borders, health care, and foreign policy. We finally get a candidate that is not backed by the special interest groups, yet people want to vote for hillary? Please look at her donors..


Why is inter-racialness relevant? What races?


It's certainly relevant when people claim trump and trump supporters are all racists or white supremacists

No one in this thread has claimed that. Only that he is to happy to accept their support.



Deathstar has said qoute "All trump supporters are racists" hence why i quoted him earlier, and asked if he was trolling.




No I didn't you're full of shit lol. Post it here right now.
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