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On March 02 2016 08:29 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 08:17 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 08:06 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 07:58 oneofthem wrote:
wall street supports hillary for defense against a guy like bernie. not because hillary will do their bidding but having an actively hostile major party is a risk and hillary is another layer of hedging against that risk. it is very rational even if they hugely prefer rubio or cruz over hillary. That's mostly fair. I mean obviously they would prefer Rubio and his plan to eliminate capital gains taxes but the idea that Hillary will get anything significant done is pretty specious. That Hillary will be a defense for Wall st is not what I thought people were looking for in a Democratic nominee. Are you actually going to stop whining about Hillary at one point? Or is Sanders' upcoming crushing defeat going to make things even worse in the next few days? Hillary has put forward a more serious plan for financial regulation and reform than Sanders. Let that sink in for a second. Mmmhmm "serious". I get that it's important to try to get Bernie out before the rest of the states (like New York) votes because it will look really bad for her to lose the state she represented as a Senator. Especially considering Trump is actually doing well there. Hillary v Trump opens up a whole new path to 270, I'm going to keep reminding folks how terrible of an idea it is to put Hillary up in a general. Only Yoav mentioned that you'll all have to just pray that Hillary doesn't get indicted (even if later found innocent) or even that the FBI's leaks (which will come if she isn't indicted) don't expose something campaign ending. Bernie is the preference of many/most states that will actually vote D. Hillary supporters have to admit that they supported her knowing full well her campaign could implode at any moment. What if trump releases his Transcripts? She'll be out of excuses and whatever he said won't matter. Putting Hillary up in a general is a catastrophically bad idea I just want that to be clear and get everyone on record so that if she wins, I can remind you all how wrong you were. You've been on record for saying that about fifty times. We get it. So long as people defend her or advocate for her I'll be around to remind folks how bad of an idea that is. then carry on with this thought and draw the final conclusion. the alternative is going hillary (including biting your tongue, making a fist in your pocket and cursing the 2 party system) . or going nowhere and by doing so indirectly strengthening trump. not going to vote does not send signals, I have been there. politicians laugh at that. and considering how low the voter turnout usually is for US elections it is a very worrying fact as well. basically tearing a sizeable hole in the fabric of the world's "first" democracy. on second thought... there is a third option as well. men who just want to watch the world burn might also vote for trump.
It's not over yet and between Trump and the FBI, Hillary's campaign could end at any moment. Plus there are more than 2 people on the ballot come November. Call it whatever you want but I won't be persuaded to vote for her based on rationalizations.
Democrats don't get to hold my vote hostage on the pretense that the alternative is worse. They want to win, they have to earn my vote.
If people want to blame anyone, they can blame the 10's of millions of Americans who don't even bother to vote, or the politicians that so discouraged them, not people who vote their convictions and not a party line or for the person they dislike less.
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On March 02 2016 08:26 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 07:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression
or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density
unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue
sigh Bias aside, and not to necessarily suggest it's voter suppression - what he is doing there is illegal. At my polling place, there was a cute little sign randomly (150ft I guess) outside the polling place saying "No Electioneering Beyond This Point". Is it a major crime? No, I think it's a misdemeanor or whatever. But it's still kinda messed up. On March 02 2016 07:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs. Has there been particular communication between them? Legit question - I really only saw that Grayson endorsed Bernie. hes kind of thumbing his nose at the rules, but i doubt he's actually doing anything illegal.
Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political
party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a
voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or
distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or
within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22))
Source (for Massachusetts)
I mean, again, it's not a major deal, and it could be argued that "oh I'm sure people walk buy with buttons or shit all the time", but unless I'm misunderstanding that breaking a law is "illegal", then what he's doing was pretty objectively illegal.
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On March 02 2016 08:38 plasmidghost wrote:
Sanders is done. He'll drop out of the race within two weeks. I expect Kasich to drop out within the next two days. Carson is stubborn, so I doubt he'll drop out until April. Cruz and Rubio will form an unholy alliance and try to merge their support, with the backing of the GOP establishment, into a last-ditch effort to Stump the Trump. They will fail.
If Cruz did that he can kiss his Senate seat goodbye as Rubio is as establishment as it gets.
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On March 02 2016 08:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:26 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 02 2016 07:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression
or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density
unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue
sigh Bias aside, and not to necessarily suggest it's voter suppression - what he is doing there is illegal. At my polling place, there was a cute little sign randomly (150ft I guess) outside the polling place saying "No Electioneering Beyond This Point". Is it a major crime? No, I think it's a misdemeanor or whatever. But it's still kinda messed up. On March 02 2016 07:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs. Has there been particular communication between them? Legit question - I really only saw that Grayson endorsed Bernie. hes kind of thumbing his nose at the rules, but i doubt he's actually doing anything illegal. Show nested quote +Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political
party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a
voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or
distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or
within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22)) Source (for Massachusetts)I mean, again, it's not a major deal, and it could be argued that "oh I'm sure people walk buy with buttons or shit all the time", but unless I'm misunderstanding that breaking a law is "illegal", then what he's doing was pretty objectively illegal.
Reports of him electioneering inside some polling places too. If it was a polling place at least in his state or better that he could actually vote at he might be able to make the case he isn't electioneering. But he's not he's in a state Hillary is worried about losing inside polling places where he has no reason to be other than to influence voters.
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On March 02 2016 08:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:26 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 02 2016 07:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression
or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density
unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue
sigh Bias aside, and not to necessarily suggest it's voter suppression - what he is doing there is illegal. At my polling place, there was a cute little sign randomly (150ft I guess) outside the polling place saying "No Electioneering Beyond This Point". Is it a major crime? No, I think it's a misdemeanor or whatever. But it's still kinda messed up. On March 02 2016 07:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs. Has there been particular communication between them? Legit question - I really only saw that Grayson endorsed Bernie. hes kind of thumbing his nose at the rules, but i doubt he's actually doing anything illegal. Show nested quote +Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political
party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a
voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or
distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or
within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22)) Source (for Massachusetts)I mean, again, it's not a major deal, and it could be argued that "oh I'm sure people walk buy with buttons or shit all the time", but unless I'm misunderstanding that breaking a law is "illegal", then what he's doing was pretty objectively illegal.
as long as he wasn't like "vote for hillary" i think he's technically on the right side of the law. from what i've read he showed up, chatted, thanked the workers and such. not something i would risk personally, but bill clinton is his own man.
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At my primary location (Virginia) there were only Trump signs on the side of the road. Pretty sure we're in trouble. The funny thing is, I don’t know a single person where I live who supports him.
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On March 02 2016 08:38 plasmidghost wrote:
Sanders is done. He'll drop out of the race within two weeks. I expect Kasich to drop out within the next two days. Carson is stubborn, so I doubt he'll drop out until April. Cruz and Rubio will form an unholy alliance and try to merge their support, with the backing of the GOP establishment, into a last-ditch effort to Stump the Trump. They will fail.
Carson isn't stubborn, Carson is running a book tour scam in which he and his friends spend donated money freely on their own expenses and launder campaign money, which they can't just keep, into book money, which they can.
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On March 02 2016 08:41 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:38 plasmidghost wrote:
Sanders is done. He'll drop out of the race within two weeks. I expect Kasich to drop out within the next two days. Carson is stubborn, so I doubt he'll drop out until April. Cruz and Rubio will form an unholy alliance and try to merge their support, with the backing of the GOP establishment, into a last-ditch effort to Stump the Trump. They will fail. Carson isn't stubborn, Carson is running a book tour scam in which he and his friends spend donated money freely on their own expenses and launder campaign money, which they can't just keep, into book money, which they can.
Sarah Palin made everyone realize how easy it is to make a few mil of a a book.
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On March 02 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 08:26 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 02 2016 07:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression
or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density
unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue
sigh Bias aside, and not to necessarily suggest it's voter suppression - what he is doing there is illegal. At my polling place, there was a cute little sign randomly (150ft I guess) outside the polling place saying "No Electioneering Beyond This Point". Is it a major crime? No, I think it's a misdemeanor or whatever. But it's still kinda messed up. On March 02 2016 07:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs. Has there been particular communication between them? Legit question - I really only saw that Grayson endorsed Bernie. hes kind of thumbing his nose at the rules, but i doubt he's actually doing anything illegal. Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political
party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a
voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or
distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or
within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22)) Source (for Massachusetts)I mean, again, it's not a major deal, and it could be argued that "oh I'm sure people walk buy with buttons or shit all the time", but unless I'm misunderstanding that breaking a law is "illegal", then what he's doing was pretty objectively illegal. as long as he wasn't like "vote for hillary" i think he's technically on the right side of the law. from what i've read he showed up, chatted, thanked the workers and such. not something i would risk personally, but bill clinton is his own man.
Dude.
Yes, Bill Clinton is his own man. But he's also directly the image of the "Clinton" brand. Being there, right outside the polling place, walking around polling place, is more overt than a Hillary banner hanging over a door. It's not like he's just hanging out.
It's not really worth arguing the point further - it is what it is. You advocate constantly for Bernie supporters to acknowledge the flaws of their candidate. It would be nice if you could do the same, look at this, and acknowledge "hmm, yeah, that could be a non-zero amount of sketchy."
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On March 02 2016 08:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:38 plasmidghost wrote:
Sanders is done. He'll drop out of the race within two weeks. I expect Kasich to drop out within the next two days. Carson is stubborn, so I doubt he'll drop out until April. Cruz and Rubio will form an unholy alliance and try to merge their support, with the backing of the GOP establishment, into a last-ditch effort to Stump the Trump. They will fail. If Cruz did that he can kiss his Senate seat goodbye as Rubio is as establishment as it gets.
And it's not like people can vote for both of them. An unholy alliance doesn't actually help either of them. Trump coming close to Cruz and Texas and clearly demolishing Rubio in Florida paints a picture where they can't really afford to even help each other. They need to beat everyone, individually.
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On March 02 2016 08:41 Saryph wrote:
At my primary location (Virginia) there were only Trump signs on the side of the road. Pretty sure we're in trouble. The funny thing is, I don’t know a single person where I live who supports him.
I live in Virginia(Richmond) and I support him. Go Trump!
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On March 02 2016 08:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 02 2016 08:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 08:26 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 02 2016 07:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 02 2016 07:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
right, because ex-president bill clinton is all about that voter suppression
or, as a poll worker said, the lines are long because its a popular voting site in an urban area with high population density
unless bill is going to pull a george wallace this is a complete non issue
sigh Bias aside, and not to necessarily suggest it's voter suppression - what he is doing there is illegal. At my polling place, there was a cute little sign randomly (150ft I guess) outside the polling place saying "No Electioneering Beyond This Point". Is it a major crime? No, I think it's a misdemeanor or whatever. But it's still kinda messed up. On March 02 2016 07:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
on the other hand, sanders' new best friend, alan grayson, is a guy running a hedge fund (or 3, but hey who's counting) in the Caymans and under the gun for ethics violations and probably insider trading of some sort. but hey, he's one of the good wall street millionahs. Has there been particular communication between them? Legit question - I really only saw that Grayson endorsed Bernie. hes kind of thumbing his nose at the rules, but i doubt he's actually doing anything illegal. Within 150 feet of a polling place…no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political
party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election. No campaign material intended to influence the vote of a
voter in the ongoing election, including campaign literature, buttons, signs, and ballot stickers, may be posted, exhibited, circulated, or
distributed in the polling place, in the building where it is located, on the building walls, on the premises where the building stands, or
within 150 feet of an entrance door to the building. ( 950 CMR 53.03(18); 54.04.22)) Source (for Massachusetts)I mean, again, it's not a major deal, and it could be argued that "oh I'm sure people walk buy with buttons or shit all the time", but unless I'm misunderstanding that breaking a law is "illegal", then what he's doing was pretty objectively illegal. as long as he wasn't like "vote for hillary" i think he's technically on the right side of the law. from what i've read he showed up, chatted, thanked the workers and such. not something i would risk personally, but bill clinton is his own man. Dude. Yes, Bill Clinton is his own man. But he's also directly the image of the "Clinton" brand. Being there, right outside the polling place, walking around polling place, is more overt than a Hillary banner hanging over a door. It's not like he's just hanging out. It's not really worth arguing the point further - it is what it is. You advocate constantly for Bernie supporters to acknowledge the flaws of their candidate. It would be nice if you could do the same, look at this, and acknowledge "hmm, yeah, that could be a non-zero amount of sketchy."
i said it's something i wouldn't do, and yes it's sketchy.
he's pushing the law 100% but by the letter of the law there's nothing wrong is what i'm saying.
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On March 02 2016 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 08:29 Doublemint wrote:On March 02 2016 08:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 08:17 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 08:06 kwizach wrote:On March 02 2016 08:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 02 2016 07:58 oneofthem wrote:
wall street supports hillary for defense against a guy like bernie. not because hillary will do their bidding but having an actively hostile major party is a risk and hillary is another layer of hedging against that risk. it is very rational even if they hugely prefer rubio or cruz over hillary. That's mostly fair. I mean obviously they would prefer Rubio and his plan to eliminate capital gains taxes but the idea that Hillary will get anything significant done is pretty specious. That Hillary will be a defense for Wall st is not what I thought people were looking for in a Democratic nominee. Are you actually going to stop whining about Hillary at one point? Or is Sanders' upcoming crushing defeat going to make things even worse in the next few days? Hillary has put forward a more serious plan for financial regulation and reform than Sanders. Let that sink in for a second. Mmmhmm "serious". I get that it's important to try to get Bernie out before the rest of the states (like New York) votes because it will look really bad for her to lose the state she represented as a Senator. Especially considering Trump is actually doing well there. Hillary v Trump opens up a whole new path to 270, I'm going to keep reminding folks how terrible of an idea it is to put Hillary up in a general. Only Yoav mentioned that you'll all have to just pray that Hillary doesn't get indicted (even if later found innocent) or even that the FBI's leaks (which will come if she isn't indicted) don't expose something campaign ending. Bernie is the preference of many/most states that will actually vote D. Hillary supporters have to admit that they supported her knowing full well her campaign could implode at any moment. What if trump releases his Transcripts? She'll be out of excuses and whatever he said won't matter. Putting Hillary up in a general is a catastrophically bad idea I just want that to be clear and get everyone on record so that if she wins, I can remind you all how wrong you were. You've been on record for saying that about fifty times. We get it. So long as people defend her or advocate for her I'll be around to remind folks how bad of an idea that is. then carry on with this thought and draw the final conclusion. the alternative is going hillary (including biting your tongue, making a fist in your pocket and cursing the 2 party system) . or going nowhere and by doing so indirectly strengthening trump. not going to vote does not send signals, I have been there. politicians laugh at that. and considering how low the voter turnout usually is for US elections it is a very worrying fact as well. basically tearing a sizeable hole in the fabric of the world's "first" democracy. on second thought... there is a third option as well. men who just want to watch the world burn might also vote for trump. It's not over yet and between Trump and the FBI, Hillary's campaign could end at any moment. Plus there are more than 2 people on the ballot come November. Call it whatever you want but I won't be persuaded to vote for her based on rationalizations. Democrats don't get to hold my vote hostage on the pretense that the alternative is worse. They want to win, they have to earn my vote. If people want to blame anyone, they can blame the 10's of millions of Americans who don't even bother to vote, or the politicians that so discouraged them, not people who vote their convictions and not a party line or for the person they dislike less.
well that's a somewhat ok position to have, besides the statement that hillary's campaign could end any minute now(lol).
just don't be mad if the outcome will be worse than the already expected one.
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Yeah I'm sure Clinton's campaign could just die at any moment. All these millionaires donating don't have any sort of inside connections to give them a feel for how strong the case against her is. They are donating millions on a whim, fully knowing she may end up in federal prison.
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Interesting Trump, and Rubio are both in Florida tonight.
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On March 02 2016 08:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Yeah I'm sure Clinton's campaign could just die at any moment. All these millionaires donating don't have any sort of inside connections to give them a feel for how strong the case against her is. They are donating millions on a whim, fully knowing she may end up in federal prison.
How quickly we forget about Jeb.
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I think Jeb would have done well if not for running against Trump. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The establishment had no idea how to handle him and so now he's toast. It's also an entirely different situation. The information you're talking about pertains to being arrested, not elected. Jeb's problem was getting support, not going to jail.
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