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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:21 ticklishmusic wrote: hey im young and hip you whippersnapper I just like reminding everyone how insular gaming is, especially #realgamers. And I am old and totally not hip, but I embrace it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:15 ZackAttack wrote: I'm pretty surprised by how many people here don't understand modern black memeage tbqhwyf. I know nerds start acting like old men quick, but I thought the demographic of this website was relatively young. black memeage? Is this shade nonsense a black thing? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:20 OtherWorld wrote: Peaceful world order? Depends what you mean, submission through work and poverty are pretty violent. And yes, that world order will end eventually. Everything that starts has an end. Maybe, with many "third-world" countries growing in economic power, it'd be better to end that order right now and create conflict right now, at a time when the Western world isn't behing the rest of the world in terms of economy, technology and military, instead of waiting until that order explodes upon our faces? are you under the illusion that people are poorer now? the rest of the post is basically suggesting war is growth in a zero sum game. terrible | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:24 Mohdoo wrote: black memeage? Is this shade nonsense a black thing? Most slang is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:24 Mohdoo wrote: black memeage? Is this shade nonsense a black thing? Yes..........google is a cool tool. As someone who grew up in a poor farming community that was 100% white, no. No one race/culture has the lock down on slang. But I will say that a lot of slang from black america is of very high quality. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:12 oneofthem wrote: not much attention is paid to the most radical area of difference between trump/sanders and the 'mainstream, and that is their protectionist stance on trade. first, people have to understand that even if you slap high tariffs on imports, american businesses will just make high capital intensive factories with automation that do not really create much jobs. there will also be friction in the near term as people do not magically move factories around, nor are workers magically trained instantly. the purported gains in jobs and wage are long term and nebulous but the increase in price of goods across the board but particularly for the poor will be harsh and acutely felt. if you take a less drastic anti trade policy then it's simply ineffective and uh, shifting global production chain around. basically playing favorites. second, there will be severe geopolitical implications primarily in destabilization of asia and europe. in order to effect some sort of protectionist scheme while also not disadvantaging your own businesses who are no longer allowed to take advantage of lower pdouction cost options, you need to rekt the lower cost producers from other states. this is going to lead to merchantilism rather than free trade, and create a race to erect barriers and ingest vast trade interests into states, which are ultimately military organizations. the involvement of the state's hand in the competition of their industries is mercantilism and historically a great source of antagonism and conflict. a sufficiently severe destruction of the free trade scheme will also mean the end of the most productive and peaceful world order in history. while american workers are understandably frustrated because they are left in the dust of economic development, the productive thing to do is to raise their productivity and competitiveness in the new and challenging labor market, rather than attacking an ultimately productive system that is good for the u.s. and much better for the world at large. hmm that's very interesting. I know very little about this stuff but your post makes a lot of sense. I went along with Bernie on this issue, but I always wondered how you could oppose globalization once that genie is out of the bottle. Once people know what they can get on the global market, it's very hard to take that away from them. And yeah, automation is just going to get better too. On February 25 2016 02:18 oneofthem wrote: bernie already is on the trump path except he's not saying racist stuff. free college, 15 dollar wage, declare isolationism etc. very shocking stuff You don't think free college and universal healthcare are achievable? 15 dollar min wage would take time. I know these are big changes, but I think we have the capacity to do it if the politcal will is there. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:24 Mohdoo wrote: black memeage? Is this shade nonsense a black thing? throwing shades comes from the black and latino gay community. Which is why I never heard the phrase. So when you "throw" shades, imagine throwing sparkles (normally colorful and pleasant) but black (not pleasant). http://www.businessinsider.com/where-the-expression-throw-shade-comes-from-2015-3 | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:18 oneofthem wrote: bernie already is on the trump path except he's not saying racist stuff. free college, 15 dollar wage, declare isolationism etc. very shocking stuff I can get behing the fact that there are arguments going in favor of most stuff we Europeans find weird about the USA (extreme capitalism, extreme individualism, extreme freedom, etc), but I genuinely don't understand how is free college/free education something "shocking", let alone "very shocking" ? Not having free education means that (1) the natural effect of kids from higher sociocultural classes staying at the top (independently from their efforts) while kids from lower sociocultural classes staying at the bottom is not fought, which is not favoring meritocracy ; (2) on a societal level, you are missing on kids that could have made great things but didn't because they were stuck at the bottom of the social ladder, while giving money & jobs to kids that aren't exceptional at all and just had the luck of being raised in the right family ; (3) you force parents with lower income to do a relatively greater sacrifice compared with parents with higher income when saving money for their kids' education, thus also furthering current inequalities. How is that good for anyone? That's basically the creation of a static society, where where you come from (instead of what you do) determines what and who you are, and a static society can only die. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Plus, its a top 10 easiest to figure out in context slang. Not like half the shit Tom Haverford uses on Parks. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:34 OtherWorld wrote: I can get behing the fact that there are arguments going in favor of most stuff we Europeans find weird about the USA (extreme capitalism, extreme individualism, extreme freedom, etc), but I genuinely don't understand how is free college/free education something "shocking", let alone "very shocking" ? Not having free education means that (1) the natural effect of kids from higher sociocultural classes staying at the top (independently from their efforts) while kids from lower sociocultural classes staying at the bottom is not fought, which is not favoring meritocracy ; (2) on a societal level, you are missing on kids that could have made great things but didn't because they were stuck at the bottom of the social ladder, while giving money & jobs to kids that aren't exceptional at all and just had the luck of being raised in the right family ; (3) you force parents with lower income to do a relatively greater sacrifice compared with parents with higher income when saving money for their kids' education, thus also furthering current inequalities. How is that good for anyone? That's basically the creation of a static society, where where you come from (instead of what you do) determines what and who you are, and a static society can only die. have you been to a u.s. private college recently. it's a fucking day spa | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:18 Plansix wrote: A website based on a 10 year old RTS for “real gamersTM” acting like old men and being confused by new, hip slang? Never, ever. SC:BW is like fine wine my friend. Just like the ratchet and cranks who play it. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:24 oneofthem wrote: are you under the illusion that people are poorer now? the rest of the post is basically suggesting war is growth in a zero sum game. terrible I'm under the illusion that people are relatively poorer, yes. I think everything shows that the gap between poor and rich is only widening, right? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:35 oneofthem wrote: have you been to a u.s. private college recently. it's a fucking day spa even state schools are expensive though, especially graduate schools (which is a big problem in itself because many students will end up having no choice but to go to an out of state graduate school which in turn will cost ASSLOADS). | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:35 oneofthem wrote: have you been to a u.s. private college recently. it's a fucking day spa I haven't, which is why I genuinely don't understand how free (or at least, "cheap enough not to have huge debts for several years once going out of college") college can be considered shocking. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23653 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:34 OtherWorld wrote: I can get behing the fact that there are arguments going in favor of most stuff we Europeans find weird about the USA (extreme capitalism, extreme individualism, extreme freedom, etc), but I genuinely don't understand how is free college/free education something "shocking", let alone "very shocking" ? Not having free education means that (1) the natural effect of kids from higher sociocultural classes staying at the top (independently from their efforts) while kids from lower sociocultural classes staying at the bottom is not fought, which is not favoring meritocracy ; (2) on a societal level, you are missing on kids that could have made great things but didn't because they were stuck at the bottom of the social ladder, while giving money & jobs to kids that aren't exceptional at all and just had the luck of being raised in the right family ; (3) you force parents with lower income to do a relatively greater sacrifice compared with parents with higher income when saving money for their kids' education, thus also furthering current inequalities. How is that good for anyone? That's basically the creation of a static society, where where you come from (instead of what you do) determines what and who you are, and a static society can only die. It's not shocking, except to those who have no idea how college used to be and old people that 'forgot'. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:28 Deathstar wrote: http://www.businessinsider.com/where-the-expression-throw-shade-comes-from-2015-3 LMAO. That is so insanely stupid. I am so proud to have not even heard of this phrase until now. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:12 oneofthem wrote: not much attention is paid to the most radical area of difference between trump/sanders and the 'mainstream, and that is their protectionist stance on trade. first, people have to understand that even if you slap high tariffs on imports, american businesses will just make high capital intensive factories with automation that do not really create much jobs. there will also be friction in the near term as people do not magically move factories around, nor are workers magically trained instantly. the purported gains in jobs and wage are long term and nebulous but the increase in price of goods across the board but particularly for the poor will be harsh and acutely felt. if you take a less drastic anti trade policy then it's simply ineffective and uh, shifting global production chain around. basically playing favorites. second, there will be severe geopolitical implications primarily in destabilization of asia and europe. in order to effect some sort of protectionist scheme while also not disadvantaging your own businesses who are no longer allowed to take advantage of lower pdouction cost options, you need to rekt the lower cost producers from other states. this is going to lead to merchantilism rather than free trade, and create a race to erect barriers and ingest vast trade interests into states, which are ultimately military organizations. the involvement of the state's hand in the competition of their industries is mercantilism and historically a great source of antagonism and conflict. a sufficiently severe destruction of the free trade scheme will also mean the end of the most productive and peaceful world order in history. while american workers are understandably frustrated because they are left in the dust of economic development, the productive thing to do is to raise their productivity and competitiveness in the new and challenging labor market, rather than attacking an ultimately productive system that is good for the u.s. and much better for the world at large. Wait, wouldn't free college be an answer to your solution regarding free trade? Why would this be a shocking issue then? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I went to a expensive top 20 school w/ scholarship and I still feel ripped off though. I had smaller class sizes and more instructional time in my public high school for godsakes, and I daresay the quality of teaching was better on average. Also public school was free. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:39 OtherWorld wrote: I haven't, which is why I genuinely don't understand how free (or at least, "cheap enough not to have huge debts for several years once going out of college") college can be considered shocking. College in the US used to be much cheaper. The student loan system and unlimited federally backed private loans have slowly eroded it to the point where it cost the same amount as the down payment on a house. All of this is public record, including tuition from the best universities in the country. Relative to peoples pay, they have risen by a massive amount while the average earning of the degrees they offer have gone down. It’s the typical America, half ass, government involvement in a system run by the private sector and profit being based on debt backed by the government. Because we are terrified of government involvement, but somehow don’t fear the for profit private sector. On February 25 2016 02:42 Mohdoo wrote: LMAO. That is so insanely stupid. I am so proud to have not even heard of this phrase until now. This is a very American post. Very American. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On February 25 2016 02:42 Mohdoo wrote: LMAO. That is so insanely stupid. I am so proud to have not even heard of this phrase until now. I find it funny that the hip new trend started from a documentary in 1990. I don't mind it though. | ||
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