EPTIts a distraction and a non sequitur. The poor in America are obese because they eat poorly. Maybe they don't understand nutrition, but also its probably a lot to do with poor impulse control being highly prevalent amongst the poor.
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Its a distraction and a non sequitur. The poor in America are obese because they eat poorly. Maybe they don't understand nutrition, but also its probably a lot to do with poor impulse control being highly prevalent amongst the poor. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:03 WhiteDog wrote: Obesity is not a sin, don't be judgemental. Take it from Bety : embrace your sexy. + Show Spoiler + http://www.facebook.com/EmpireFOX/videos/460973214099518/ In a society where healthcare is payed by your fellow citizens, "obesity is not a sin" - in the cases when obesity can be avoided, ofc - can be seriously discussed. We're slightly off-topic, though | ||
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oBlade
United States6491 Posts
On February 13 2016 05:36 Plansix wrote: Azodicarbonamide is a bleaching agent. Enriched flour is flour with vitamin content added in, but that likely can’t be used by the body due to the way we absorb vitamin with fat. They are there so they can show high "nutritional value" on the label, even if we just shit them out. Its got that corn syrup in it too, which I dislike as well. There are endless reasons why I would choose not to eat this bread, even if it was a single dollar. I would rather pay 4-6 dollars and get bread without a bleaching agent. That's your own business, but since bread with azodicarbonamide isn't toxic, and bleaching agents don't make people fat, there's no health issue here. On February 13 2016 05:51 Plansix wrote: Cheap, energy dense food with low usable nutritional value was what folks were blaming. The bread discussion was because someone decided that Walmart bread was made of wheat, flour and water, which is completely incorrect. It's bread, it's made from yeast, flour, and water, are you kidding right now? | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
Many of the bread in stores today are total garbage. Like I said earlier, vegetables are less nutritious. We are eating food that taste and smell like they have something of value (following our instincts) but in reality do not. Bread is a good example because of how devoid of nutrition it is but it's marketed as something with fiber (very little if any) with pictures of wheat on it. Bread has nutrients in the same way a grape soda has antioxidants. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On February 13 2016 05:36 Plansix wrote: Azodicarbonamide is a bleaching agent. Enriched flour is flour with vitamin content added in, but that likely can’t be used by the body due to the way we absorb vitamin with fat. They are there so they can show high "nutritional value" on the label, even if we just shit them out. Its got that corn syrup in it too, which I dislike as well. There are endless reasons why I would choose not to eat this bread, even if it was a single dollar. I would rather pay 4-6 dollars and get bread without a bleaching agent. The body can absorb vitamin C and B just fine without any fat whatsoever. Also, I doubt you have a diet consisting of bread alone so I think the other vitamins will get in just fine as well. EDIT: Whether or not you dislike enriched flour is entirely up to you. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:09 Deathstar wrote: Dude we are living in the 21st century. Food for survival ship has departed. Food is for nutrition and pleasure. Many of the food sold today have the facade of having nutrition. Many of the bread in stores today are total garbage. Like I said earlier, vegetables are less nutritious. We are eating food that taste and smell like they have something of value (following our instincts) but in reality do not. Bread is a good example because of how devoid of nutrition it is but it's marketed as something with fiber (very little if any) with pictures of wheat on it. Bread has nutrients in the same way a grape soda has antioxidants. Quoted for truth. I don't know in what world industrialized food is made from the same things as non-industrialized food. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2888 Posts
However the discussion was about cheap foods. Sure you don't have too eat 5 cheeseburgers at McDonalds. But the point is that you *can* do it. I'm tiny and eat very little and I could eat 5 cheeseburgers, at least at 4 am after a night out. Energy dense food. Humans are programmed to eat by default, we like eating. It's rewarding on a very basic level. Try cooking your own food, it doesn't have to be trader joe's homegrown organic just do things that aren't precooked (half-fabricated is the term over here) and try eating that amount of calories. It's impossible. Also for chemicals. As a medical professional adding emulsifiers whose primary purpose is to make fat-liquid interfaces interact and be more permeable because you want your ingredients to mix easier in machines when your products are going down into the stomach which is protected by a fat barrier keeping out water soluble things and has the main bacterial deposit by far in the body seems like a bad idea. We know it's leaking already depending on diet and health, adding fuel to the fire seems stupid. The other shit I don't know. I just know if you choose one thing to not eat it seems like you magically start avoiding a lot of things. You don't really feel limited it's just that suddenly you don't eat the half done shit that contains loads of suger and other carbohydrates, salt and preservatives and very little protein in it. I have a food service that delivers a huge grocery bag each weak. Nothing fancy and pretty cheap but just cooking your food yourself and having sallad for every meal is a huge difference. | ||
KwarK
United States44287 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:09 Deathstar wrote: Dude we are living in the 21st century. Food for survival ship has departed. Food is for nutrition and pleasure. Many of the food sold today have the facade of having nutrition. Many of the bread in stores today are total garbage. Like I said earlier, vegetables are less nutritious. We are eating food that taste and smell like they have something of value (following our instincts) but in reality do not. Bread is a good example because of how devoid of nutrition it is but it's marketed as something with fiber (very little if any) with pictures of wheat on it. Bread has nutrients in the same way a grape soda has antioxidants. Bread has never been good for humans. It's still not. Ask any anthropologist. And you still need to cite this claim that vegetables today don't have nutrients. We are eating more healthily today than at any point in the history of civilization. Where we go wrong is quantity. Malnutrition used to be a real issue in the people of Western Europe and America because they couldn't afford meat, eggs, vegetables and so forth and relied too heavily on bread. The issue these days is one of excess only, in terms of food quality you have never had it so good. This idea that a chicken 70 years ago was better is absurd, a chicken 70 years ago was unavailable. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Edit: Bread is great. Energy density is a blessing not a curse. The only thing bad is lack of inclination or information. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:09 oBlade wrote: That's your own business, but since bread with azodicarbonamide isn't toxic, and bleaching agents don't make people fat, there's no health issue here. It's bread, it's made from yeast, flour, and water, are you kidding right now? On February 13 2016 06:09 Ghostcom wrote: The body can absorb vitamin C and B just fine without any fat whatsoever. Also, I doubt you have a diet consisting of bread alone so I think the other vitamins will get in just fine as well. EDIT: Whether or not you dislike enriched flour is entirely up to you. *Chuckles* Why do you guys even bother..... | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:07 cLutZ wrote: Yes, and the point is you can eat it without becoming fat. But you get angry at that, like the wierdos who say it costs more per calorie to eat a carrot than to eat at McDees. Of course, because the purpose of a carrot is to be low in calories. If i was optimizing calories I would drink peanut oil or something. Its a distraction and a non sequitur. The poor in America are obese because they eat poorly. Maybe they don't understand nutrition, but also its probably a lot to do with poor impulse control being highly prevalent amongst the poor. Eat poorly is much more of a symptom of poor education, which is directly resulted from being poor rather than something poor people lacks by coincident. | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:15 ragz_gt wrote: Most super markets (though I have never bought food from Walmart so can't comment there) do have a specialty bread section that's not just sliced packaged bread now. Of course they are expensive, but you can taste and smell the difference. Eat poorly is much more of a symptom of poor education, which is directly resulted from being poor rather than something poor people lacks by coincident. I've ate plenty of bread from Wal-Mart and I've not gotten sick from it. But then again, I exercise. So there is that. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10951 Posts
Sliced bread in packages is "weird" here. Sure, you can probably buy it, but if you would serve it to people they would be either stunned, puzzled or insulted. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:14 KwarK wrote: Bread has never been good for humans. It's still not. Ask any anthropologist. And you still need to cite this claim that vegetables today don't have nutrients. We are eating more healthily today than at any point in the history of civilization. Where we go wrong is quantity. Malnutrition used to be a real issue in the people of Western Europe and America because they couldn't afford meat, eggs, vegetables and so forth and relied too heavily on bread. The issue these days is one of excess only, in terms of food quality you have never had it so good. This idea that a chicken 70 years ago was better is absurd, a chicken 70 years ago was unavailable. We are not eating more healthily. What makes you think that? We have an obesity epidemic. Most of the country is either overweight, obese, or extremely obese, which bring about massive personal and social problems. Type 2 diabetes is rampant among children which is normally exclusive to adults. High blood pressure, cancer, strokes, etc. are now up. Look at France. France is a developed country like the US but they have half the obesity rate than we do. Italy has an obese population of about 10%. I say France and Italy because these two countries are known for their famous cuisine. They have cultures revolving around fine food. Excess is a problem. But why is excess our problem? We are all the same humans. It's our food that's shit. Our meat are mass produced with baby chicken (normal chicken used to be adults which are more healthy and tasty. Baby chickens taste worse) stuffed with fat, carbs, and antibiotics. Our vegetables ARE less nutritious (reasons can be argued but the decrease in nutrition is a fact). Our great food corporations have succeeded in producing so much calories but as a trade off fucked us in the nutrition department. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24354 Posts
On February 13 2016 05:42 OtherWorld wrote: You can, but it'll be less healthy (and tasty) than your Italian bread found in a bakery (assuming the bakery is making its own bread ofc). The 1$ you'll pay at Walmart includes : Walmart's margin, Walmart's costs of running the supermarket, the transport between the bread factory and the supermarket, the transporter's margin, the cost of producing & packaging the bread and the bread producer's margin. That leaves little money for quality raw materials. Compare that with your local bakery, where half of these elements disappear. Much better quality raw materials. e : Also, just eat a mofo homemade baguette and compare it with an industrial baguette. You don't even need to eat them to see the difference, just to smell them. The bold part isn't necessarily true. Walmart doesn't make it's money on the food margin. Walmart's business model is based off of getting you in the store and you buying things you don't need (that have a much higher margin). This is one of several reasons milk and eggs are in the very back of the store. Often items like that are even sold at a loss. If we really dug into it our obesity problem while related to things like food deserts, it is probably more a manifestation of a national depression (not economic , but emotional). Food is one of the last things people feel they can control in their lives which is also one of the reasons people will get so visibly angry if it isn't prepared/served as they want. It's also one of the few things people can "afford" to make someone else do where they aren't the submissive one. Walmart is destructive in many ways, people would happily trade slightly cheaper stuff away for a living wage and knowing that the stuff they bought had to pay a living wage to the people who made it. Everyone should be on board with ending Walmart's ability to subsidize it's poverty wages, using middle class tax revenue, to make a family who inherited their wealth more money than if the government didn't provide a safety net. Besides the fallacy of "If I can do it anyone can" Kwark is also neglecting how his "cash poor" is not the same as "poor". Amassing a retirement fund while living cash poor has a very different mental toll than just being poor indefinitely. Before people say "just get a better job" job's aren't infinite. There are somewhat fixed amount of well paying jobs and some people will just simply never be able to attain them regardless of how hard they try or what quality of a worker they are. Those people are still important to our country and deserve to not live in poverty (even if it's just American poverty). Because there are a few middling folks here with quality educations some may actually make it into the protection class but ~90% of Americans are going to be left in the cold, ~9.5% will act as a barrier between the rest and the rich (protection class). It may sound not so bad but you'll just continue to defend the practices that expand the poor and enrich the wealthy while they loom over your head your expendability and the ease with which they could replace you with a desperate person from the underclass (and send you to take his place). System is rigged and it's rigged so well it's got the people in the most danger (intelligent, skilled, people without wealth) arguing the hardest for it under the pretense that they have it figured out enough so that they aren't the one getting screwed over (as hard). On February 13 2016 06:17 ErectedZenith wrote: I've ate plenty of bread from Wal-Mart and I've not gotten sick from it. But then again, I exercise. So there is that. Why not just post under your Jonny or sheep account, this isn't fooling anyone? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22577 Posts
On February 13 2016 06:28 Deathstar wrote: We are not eating more healthily. What makes you think that? We have an obesity epidemic. Most of the country is either overweight, obese, or extremely obese, which bring about massive personal and social problems. Type 2 diabetes is rampant among children which is normally exclusive to adults. High blood pressure, cancer, strokes, etc. are now up. Look at France. France is a developed country like the US but they have half the obesity rate than we do. Italy has an obese population of about 10%. I say France and Italy because these two countries are known for their famous cuisine. They have cultures revolving around fine food. Excess is a problem. But why is excess our problem? We are all the same humans. It's our food that's shit. Our meat are mass produced with baby chicken (normal chicken used to be adults which are more healthy and tasty. Baby chickens taste worse) stuffed with fat, carbs, and antibiotics. Our vegetables ARE less nutritious (reasons can be argued but the decrease in nutrition is a fact). Our great food corporations have succeeded in producing so much calories but as a trade off fucked us in the nutrition department. Aside from a few things (corn syrip mostly) your food is no more shit then our food. The problem the US has with food is mentality. A Cola in the US is the same as a Cola in Europe, but we don't drink 30 oz free refill cups of it at McDonalds tho. It is all in the head and the culture. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Weight gain and obesity is caused by more calories in than out. I don't think food has become worse necessarily, but simply there's a basically mind-boggling amount of it available and a lot of it fat and sweet loaded stuff which we are biologically built to go after. Companies know how to cater to consumers, so they make that stuff. There's a lot of healthy stuff out there but it takes a certain kind of person with education, mindset and even genetics to consistently choose that over a dollar burger. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On February 13 2016 04:02 KwarK wrote: The taste of chicken has not changed. Nor has how nutritious a vegetable is. Kwark buys his food at Walmart so it's not surprising his palate isn't very refined. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4448 Posts
Easy win for the republicans if Bloomberg runs and throws a couple of bill at advertising. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
We could bring this back to politics and the US’s problem with our weak food regulation and FDA. The McDonalds hamburger is a prime example of this, because they had a real struggle finding the beef in those burgers minute there. Edit: I prefer organic milk because it keeps longer, but that has to do with how it is pasteurized over anything else. | ||
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