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oneofthem
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On January 23 2016 22:05 oneofthem wrote: lmao trump suddenly anti putin and nobody bats an eye trump is basically - on a rhetorical level - a leaf in the wind, a word-ninja. nobody takes it seriously until it's too late and the argument hits you in the face. or did it?! | ||
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Doublemint
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JW_DTLA
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On January 23 2016 22:02 GreenHorizons wrote: Is it me or is this grown ass men running for president acting like (nerdy) middle school kids? Republicans can't run on policy because they don't have answers to the country's actual problems (income inequality, wage stagnation, environmental degradation, assimilation of new Americans, tackling global political Islam). They have to run on grade school bullying. Look at the Republican policy proposals: Carpet bomb the Levant -- absolutely insane and the Air Force generals would resign before agreeing to it. Tax cuts for the rich -- tried and failed, and polls so badly that Republicans don't even run on them anymore. De-unionize America -- madness but they keep trying, polls like hell so they leave it to the judges. Wild tarrifs (Trump) -- not possible under all out treaties, pointless and counterproductive in the modern globally integrated supply chain. Privatize social security -- attempted in 2006 by Bush2 and Paul Ryan, Rubio and Bush3 presumably support this, disastrous. Repeal ACA -- lunacy, would break the insurance industry and bring back pre-existing condition bans. Criminalize abortion -- stupid and hateful move to punish single women. Privatize public schools -- charter schools do no better than public ones, but funnel more money into well places private companies. Muslim busting laws -- almost all of them are unconstitutional due to 1st and 14th, and will certainly backfire. They can't run on those so they run on bluster and posturing in an attempt to appeal to easily manipulated white suburbanites (aka Values Voters). | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 23 2016 22:05 oneofthem wrote: lmao trump suddenly anti putin and nobody bats an eye All he's saying is that Putin is a tough dude with whom Jeb is ill-equipped to deal. | ||
KwarK
United States44389 Posts
We'll see how long the Russian people are willing to go without government subsidized services paid for with oil money and without imported luxuries which the inflation and devaluation has placed out of reach of all but the oligarchy. | ||
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oBlade
United States6611 Posts
On January 24 2016 01:31 JW_DTLA wrote: Republicans can't run on policy because they don't have answers to the country's actual problems (income inequality, wage stagnation, environmental degradation, assimilation of new Americans, tackling global political Islam). They have to run on grade school bullying. Look at the Republican policy proposals: Carpet bomb the Levant -- absolutely insane and the Air Force generals would resign before agreeing to it. Tax cuts for the rich -- tried and failed, and polls so badly that Republicans don't even run on them anymore. De-unionize America -- madness but they keep trying, polls like hell so they leave it to the judges. Wild tarrifs (Trump) -- not possible under all out treaties, pointless and counterproductive in the modern globally integrated supply chain. Privatize social security -- attempted in 2006 by Bush2 and Paul Ryan, Rubio and Bush3 presumably support this, disastrous. Repeal ACA -- lunacy, would break the insurance industry and bring back pre-existing condition bans. Criminalize abortion -- stupid and hateful move to punish single women. Privatize public schools -- charter schools do no better than public ones, but funnel more money into well places private companies. Muslim busting laws -- almost all of them are unconstitutional due to 1st and 14th, and will certainly backfire. They can't run on those so they run on bluster and posturing in an attempt to appeal to easily manipulated white suburbanites (aka Values Voters). I think it's interesting how people can differentiate policy and rhetorical posturing when it comes to Democratic candidates, but don't apply the same to Republican politicians. Or perhaps those people just agree with Democrats across the board anyway... maybe people on both "sides" take the other side as literally as possible so they can reduce the opposition to one unacceptable policy or another. | ||
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zlefin
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:25 oBlade wrote: I think it's interesting how people can differentiate policy and rhetorical posturing when it comes to Democratic candidates, but don't apply the same to Republican politicians. Or perhaps those people just agree with Democrats across the board anyway... maybe people on both "sides" take the other side as literally as possible so they can reduce the opposition to one unacceptable policy or another. He's not strictly wrong in his list (on the left hand side at least). Those are the general directions of a lot of Republican policies, the things they would pursue if they got to the office. He's missing a few, like abolish/reform corporate tax law (and I can't think of any others right now), and embellishes a few to the extreme, but the idea is correct. There are a few that are candidate specific: abolish the IRS and increased oversight/controls over the Federal Reserve. On January 24 2016 02:42 zlefin wrote: JW -> while the way the republicans are trying to repeal the aca is bad; it is possible to repeal the ACA and replace it with something sounder. Like what? Most people are itching to learn what we'll get instead, but so far there hasn't really been an alternate even floated, just a ton of attempts and talks of repeal. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:14 KwarK wrote: Obama's leadership of the return of Iran to the international community and the subsequent oil market share war between Sunni and Shiite Islam it triggered is the final nail in the coffin of Putin's power internationally. Russia's economy is imploding and I struggle to believe that nobody at the White House saw this coming. We'll see how long the Russian people are willing to go without government subsidized services paid for with oil money and without imported luxuries which the inflation and devaluation has placed out of reach of all but the oligarchy. Haha, nice try, but no. The current oil price depression has nothing to do with Obama or even really Iran. Thank US shale oil for creating a massive supply glut in 2014. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:54 xDaunt wrote: Haha, nice try, but no. The current oil price depression has nothing to do with Obama or even really Iran. Thank US shale oil for creating a massive supply glut in 2014. always the US #1 card with you. I for one make a toast to saudi aramco everytime I leave the gas station. | ||
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KwarK
United States44389 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:54 xDaunt wrote: Haha, nice try, but no. The current oil price depression has nothing to do with Obama or even really Iran. Thank US shale oil for creating a massive supply glut in 2014. Which got it down to $50, from $100. We're at $30 now. I am aware of domestic US oil production. If you're going to try and be condescending could you at least also put the effort in to try and be right? Or you could just treat other posters like intelligent humans. Incidentally Russia needs $86/barrel for their budget to work and $50/barrel for their emergency budget to work. Government employees are already missing paychecks over there. If this continues for 18 months their cash reserves will be exhausted. Will be fun to see how it plays out. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:54 xDaunt wrote: Haha, nice try, but no. The current oil price depression has nothing to do with Obama or even really Iran. Thank US shale oil for creating a massive supply glut in 2014. And China, India, and Brazil for going through their own economic contraction. Oh, and don't forget Europe forever floundering about with wrangling government budget deficits to prepare for the "next" economic downturn when they are sitting right in the middle of their last one still. Prices don't drop 75% over 2 years because global output increased 5% over 2 years. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:42 zlefin wrote: JW -> while the way the republicans are trying to repeal the aca is bad; it is possible to repeal the ACA and replace it with something sounder. Republicans have had 6 years to cough up something sounder. They have failed to even put an idea on paper. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:25 oBlade wrote: I think it's interesting how people can differentiate policy and rhetorical posturing when it comes to Democratic candidates, but don't apply the same to Republican politicians. Or perhaps those people just agree with Democrats across the board anyway... maybe people on both "sides" take the other side as literally as possible so they can reduce the opposition to one unacceptable policy or another. I chose not to delve deep Republican rhetoric and focus on the meat of what they are running on. The list I put up is a list of policies that I think they will actually do due to their history of advocating such policies and implementing them at the state level. The bullying and posturing rhetoric is just should be ignored when the policy stakes are so high. The tragedy is that the media focuses on the latest sound bites and quips between the Rs rather than looking at what these guys are actually saying they will do. Contrast that with the arguments between Bernie and Clinton, which are almost entirely focused on finer details of various health and tax plans. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On January 24 2016 02:54 xDaunt wrote: Haha, nice try, but no. The current oil price depression has nothing to do with Obama or even really Iran. Thank US shale oil for creating a massive supply glut in 2014. Shale oil contributes yes but Sauds refusing to lower they production is the main reason. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 24 2016 03:27 Silvanel wrote: Shale oil contributes yes but Sauds refusing to lower they production is the main reason. And why did they refuse to lower production? They've been very transparent about they primary reason: killing off the US shale oil industry. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 24 2016 03:06 JW_DTLA wrote: Republicans have had 6 years to cough up something sounder. They have failed to even put an idea on paper. We could have a public option...  That's the only sort of large-ish change I see working on our healthcare system from a regulatory perspective right now. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 24 2016 03:05 aksfjh wrote: And China, India, and Brazil for going through their own economic contraction. Oh, and don't forget Europe forever floundering about with wrangling government budget deficits to prepare for the "next" economic downturn when they are sitting right in the middle of their last one still. Prices don't drop 75% over 2 years because global output increased 5% over 2 years. You need to consider the added US production over more than two years. But beyond that, let us not bother wasting time stating the obvious that there are many factors that contribute to oil prices. I merely objected to the idiotic notion that Obama is responsible by design. Looking at all factors US shale production is clearly the biggest factor in the price drop. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
Oil prices didn't crash until late 2014, as global economic expectations started to seriously adjust downward. That was and still is the single largest drag on oil prices. I'm fine with not giving Obama credit, but don't try to make US industry to be some sort of hero in this case. You're more than welcome to give them credit for propping up the overall US economy (or at least the numbers) from 2011 through 2014. Edit: magnitudes on oil | ||
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