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Are you talking to me? Why don't you elaborate what I'm 'flat out lying about'.
Don't see anyone else flat out lying here, so it's safe to assume.
Difference is %99 of those kids who do those school shootings are already seeking help from psychiatrists and are on medication.
Maybe you meant .99%, because that is closer to reality. It's a fucking meme already to say "he was totally normal, i never expected him to do that, blabla". Every fucking shooting that happens, the same pattern. And i went through at least 10 after your "statement". Not a SINGLE one was seeking help before a shooting. By logic btw, it would imply that those people actually knew they'd go rampage, and they consider that something they don't want. Or schizophrenia.
None of which was ever an issue. It's always someone who wants payback.
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On December 07 2015 06:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 06:25 Eskendereya wrote:On December 07 2015 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote:So does Trump's advocating for bringing back torture, and going after terrorist's families mean he has already implicitly suggested we torture Farook's family whether they are American or not? Torture for ISIS type groups who cut peoples heads off with 6 inch knives, burn people alive, torture them in the most gruesome ways possible, is anyone really going to lose sleep over it? Google "ISIS beheadings" and "ISIS child soldiers" who they train to behead and execute their victims. He's talking about terrorists and their families in the middle east, clearly if you're an American you are protected by the constitution and go through the legal system here. ISIS and ISIS type groups' families in the middle east are radicalized, I think if you want to destroy ISIS you have to take them all out whether you like it or not. War is terrible but there's no other way. and this is were you actually become compareable to North Korea.
Were the Allies in WWII comparable to North Korea as well? They specifically targeted civilians in the firebombing of Dresden, Germany.
Fact: The Allies engaged in area ("saturation") bombing to try and wipe out Hitler's ability to wage war. The firebombing of Dresden was a horrific example.
But let's be clear: it was a horror that came about because of the raw aggression of the Axis powers.
Back then, we had leaders that knew we'd kill masses of civilians in these bombing runs, and the casualties among the civilian population were quite high. Bodies piled on the streets high. Men, women, children, the elderly, horses, pets, everything fell under the bombs and firebombs.
It was necessary.
Liberals live in a fantasy world where they think you can outsmart and out-"nice" the enemy without killing anyone. Or they demand that anyone but "their" leaders wage war by killing only enemy combatants, and never touching civilians or civilian infrastructure.
Well here's why that fatuous drivel cannot work: the enemy knows this. They know we know it. And they know we know they know it. That's why they put rocket launchers in schoolyards and fire handheld missiles and RPG's from inside hospitals and homes.
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Well at least we know in what age you live now.
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On December 07 2015 06:40 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +Are you talking to me? Why don't you elaborate what I'm 'flat out lying about'.
Don't see anyone else flat out lying here, so it's safe to assume. Show nested quote +Difference is %99 of those kids who do those school shootings are already seeking help from psychiatrists and are on medication. Maybe you meant .99%, because that is closer to reality. It's a fucking meme already to say "he was totally normal, i never expected him to do that, blabla". Every fucking shooting that happens, the same pattern. And i went through at least 10 after your "statement". Not a SINGLE one was seeking help before a shooting. By logic btw, it would imply that those people actually knew they'd go rampage, and they consider that something they don't want. Or schizophrenia. None of which was ever an issue. It's always someone who wants payback.
It's not a lie, a big majority of school shootings by young people are on psychiatric drugs. You think I'm lying but you're actually just ignorant. http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/
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The guy's apartment was littered with pipe bombs, guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition and who knows what else that hasn't come out yet.
I wonder if people realize that there are a lot more white American's that have/had that stuff in their home than Muslims (or anyone else).
I doubt the people getting revved up about him having several guns and thousands of rounds of ammo would actually want that to be considered a reason to be suspicious. The pipe bombs I suppose (though lots of people build them check youtube) would be suspicious, but you could easily conceal 12 in a small luggage bag or something.
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On December 07 2015 06:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +
The guy's apartment was littered with pipe bombs, guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition and who knows what else that hasn't come out yet.
I wonder if people realize that there are a lot more white American's that have/had that stuff in their home than Muslims (or anyone else). I doubt the people getting revved up about him having several guns and thousands of rounds of ammo would actually want that to be considered a reason to be suspicious. The pipe bombs I suppose (though lots of people build them check youtube) would be suspicious, but you could easily conceal 12 in a small luggage bag or something.
It's not the guns and ammo that is suspicious, you're right, a lot of Americans have that, it's the combination of having links to ISIS which is a terrorist group along with everything else. The mother was a radical herself so I can see why they didn't think to report him to authorities when they discovered he had ties to ISIS along with all the guns and stock piles of ammo he had.
That's like a KKK member saying he wants to kill Black people and is stock piling guns and ammo.
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On December 07 2015 06:42 Eskendereya wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 06:36 Toadesstern wrote:On December 07 2015 06:25 Eskendereya wrote:On December 07 2015 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote:So does Trump's advocating for bringing back torture, and going after terrorist's families mean he has already implicitly suggested we torture Farook's family whether they are American or not? Torture for ISIS type groups who cut peoples heads off with 6 inch knives, burn people alive, torture them in the most gruesome ways possible, is anyone really going to lose sleep over it? Google "ISIS beheadings" and "ISIS child soldiers" who they train to behead and execute their victims. He's talking about terrorists and their families in the middle east, clearly if you're an American you are protected by the constitution and go through the legal system here. ISIS and ISIS type groups' families in the middle east are radicalized, I think if you want to destroy ISIS you have to take them all out whether you like it or not. War is terrible but there's no other way. and this is were you actually become compareable to North Korea. Were the Allies in WWII comparable to North Korea as well? They specifically targeted civilians in the firebombing of Dresden, Germany. Fact: The Allies engaged in area ("saturation") bombing to try and wipe out Hitler's ability to wage war. The firebombing of Dresden was a horrific example. But let's be clear: it was a horror that came about because of the raw aggression of the Axis powers. Back then, we had leaders that knew we'd kill masses of civilians in these bombing runs, and the casualties among the civilian population were quite high. Bodies piled on the streets high. Men, women, children, the elderly, horses, pets, everything fell under the bombs and firebombs. It was necessary. Liberals live in a fantasy world where they think you can outsmart and out-"nice" the enemy without killing anyone. Or they demand that anyone but "their" leaders wage war by killing only enemy combatants, and never touching civilians or civilian infrastructure. Well here's why that fatuous drivel cannot work: the enemy knows this. They know we know it. And they know we know they know it. That's why they put rocket launchers in schoolyards and fire handheld missiles and RPG's from inside hospitals and homes.
You certainly won't find me saying that I think Dresden was necessary or achieved anything it wanted to achieve.
At least I was taught in school that it had no or minimal influence on the war industry itself with it being a debate on wether it was planned to hit civilians on purpose to demoralize the general population (like you said).
And that it failed at that and only spurred on the population even more, which is probaby what's going on in the Middle East right now already, more so if you want to go further.
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The page that you linked me, for 75% of the cases there, it doesn't state why someone took something. Without knowing that, your claim remains bullshit.
PS: i have anti-depressants in my blood too. If i go and shoot up your school tomorrow, i will make that list as well. With no psychotic condition whatsoever. Anti-depressants are used to treat many things, including my condition. And that condition has nothing to do with depression, not even remotely or comparable. It's not even a psychologic condition.
Having medication in your blood is hardly proof for anything, especially if quite a few of these "proofs" are based on some kid saying "he totally took stuff". Apart from the obvious problems that at least 75% of what's listed there isn't a mass shooting in the first place. Hell, some of them are not even in the USA.
And then there's the small problem of the disclaimer they give you:
in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs
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On December 07 2015 06:02 Rassy wrote:
Trump is going to win the nomination so easily,think he will also beat Clinton in the end.
At least he is the only candidate that would have a shot at it.
Is there anyone else here who actually believes Trump is likely to beat Clinton if he gets nominated (except Eskentrollya)? To me it's so obvious he would get obliterated by Clinton I cannot help but wish he actually gets the Republican nomination, in order to secure the presidential race for the Democrats and increase their chances for the House & Senate elections. The only one who does stand a chance against Clinton is Rubio, and that's only if his inexperience (which he will obviously try to balance by getting an experienced running mate on his ticket if he does get the nomination) doesn't penalize him too much (and if his lies don't get fact-checked too often). I used to think Bush could have had a chance as well as long as he managed to overcome his family name problem, but he's such a terrible public speaker and debater he would probably also get rolled by Clinton.
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Anyone who thinks Trump will be the next President is living in a bubble. Democrats think he is a joke and large groups of conservatives don't like him either.
But I happen to think the republicans are unlikely to win this election regardless. *shrug*
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Don't think he's gonna win either. While i do make jokes sometimes about the US, i do believe there's way more smart persons than idiots. And that by itself defeats Trump already.
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It just seems that whenever there is high voter turnout dems win, and with the crazy political climate I think turnout will be high, thus a hard election for the right to win. That coupled with the fact that their rhetoric only appeals to a small portion of the population and is a huge turnoff to everyone else.
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especially if trump DOES get to be the candidate I don't even want to imagine the turnout to make sure that doesn't happen.
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apparently their are crazy people on both sides when dealing with christmas. not that this is a big deal or anything.
ROSELLE PARK, N.J. — A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas" to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious event to a religious one."
Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com reported. She later rescinded her resignation, which was supposed to take effect on Jan. 7, the newspaper reported.
Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."...
"I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such," Storey said in her resignation letter. After rescinding her resignation, Storey said she still disagreed with the renaming and would not attend the event, according to NJ.com.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-town-official-quits-over-christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-n474916
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Please, I want the new year to come around while having to see a minimal amount about this imaginary 'war on christmas'!
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Looked at some recent demographics out of curiosity. % of the US population that identifies as Christian is at 71% in '14 (down 8% from '07), while 'Unaffiliated' is at 23% (up 7% from '07'). Guess we know who is losing the war on christmas~
I remember the number that identified as Christian being in the high 80%s.
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Suppose I should have given a citation! Please forgive me friends.
www.pewforum.org
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On December 07 2015 07:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:apparently their are crazy people on both sides when dealing with christmas. not that this is a big deal or anything. Show nested quote +ROSELLE PARK, N.J. — A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas" to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious event to a religious one."
Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com reported. She later rescinded her resignation, which was supposed to take effect on Jan. 7, the newspaper reported.
Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."...
"I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such," Storey said in her resignation letter. After rescinding her resignation, Storey said she still disagreed with the renaming and would not attend the event, according to NJ.com.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-town-official-quits-over-christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-n474916
The story of the "Christmas" tree is quite an amusing one. Just as very few people know what the first "Thanksgiving" actually was or when and why it is when it is (not a coincidence), people would probably be surprised to find out the Pilgrims, which people just got done celebrating, would be appalled by Christmas as it is now, including the trees (might even suggest killing/imprisoning people like the Roselle Park council). Even the Pagans (who originated the tradition of decorating trees for winter solstice, would be upset about all of the tree killing, though they would probably approve of decorating living trees).
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On December 06 2015 14:42 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 11:51 killa_robot wrote:On December 06 2015 08:16 Kickstart wrote:
So you are going to argue that people who are uncomfortable about trans people aren't ignorant/uneducated on the matter? Because that is the only 'drawer' I put anyone in. And in general I meant people who are afraid of them, but perhaps I didn't articulate myself well enough.
Feel free to enlighten all those ignorant fools. I'm dying to see just how uneducated I am on the subject compared to the guy who just a few posts ago was confusing sex with gender, lol. I don't have the patience, as demonstrated earlier. You can continue to be discomforted by and afraid of that which is unusual to you, and I am content to call that ignorance. Thinking the issue is nuanced is one thing, being afraid of trans persons is another, and I was addressing the later which you then identified yourself as. Seems you fit the 'drawer' I put you in perfectly.
Don't worry. I never expected you to explain it to begin with. It was rather obvious you had nothing to back up the claim that everyone else was uneducated, hence why I called you out on it, lol.
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On December 07 2015 07:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 07:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:apparently their are crazy people on both sides when dealing with christmas. not that this is a big deal or anything. ROSELLE PARK, N.J. — A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas" to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious event to a religious one."
Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com reported. She later rescinded her resignation, which was supposed to take effect on Jan. 7, the newspaper reported.
Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."...
"I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such," Storey said in her resignation letter. After rescinding her resignation, Storey said she still disagreed with the renaming and would not attend the event, according to NJ.com.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-town-official-quits-over-christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-n474916 The story of the "Christmas" tree is quite an amusing one. Just as very few people know what the first "Thanksgiving" actually was or when and why it is when it is (not a coincidence), people would probably be surprised to find out the Pilgrims, which people just got done celebrating, would be appalled by Christmas as it is now, including the trees (might even suggest killing/imprisoning people like the Roselle Park council). Even the Pagans (who originated the tradition of decorating trees for winter solstice, would be upset about all of the tree killing, though they would probably approve of decorating living trees).
I may be wrong here but as far as I know the old heathens didn't decorate trees, they brought evergreens (like twigs of pine or fir) into their houses. They should symbolize the return of the light and life after the shortest day of the year. Little presents for relatives and kids were common but I think bringing whole trees to the house came later.
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On December 07 2015 07:23 Kickstart wrote:
It just seems that whenever there is high voter turnout dems win, and with the crazy political climate I think turnout will be high, thus a hard election for the right to win. That coupled with the fact that their rhetoric only appeals to a small portion of the population and is a huge turnoff to everyone else.
If all that was true the reps wouldn't have won the Senate and house last election. Trump speaks to the tea party reactionary electorate that can put those east coast states and the midwest back into play. Mark that with the poll numbers saying that Obama isn't agressive with terrorists will allow the "larbilawls are soft weak boys" talk spread into the middle as it did in the last generation.
Trump vs sanders is going to shake things up. Going against the logic of trying to win the middle means the old math doesn't work anymore.
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So far, Trump has successfully flaunted all of the traditional wisdom on presidential politics. This isn't to say that he will continue to do so en route to the White House, but it is rather presumptuous to conclude that he has no chance.
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