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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11818 Posts
December 06 2015 10:04 GMT
#52261
On December 06 2015 17:54 KwarK wrote:
Count the number of counties in the United States. Then calculate the probability that one will correctly guess 30 of 32 coinflips (although the selection of 1888 as a start date is confusing too, I'm assuming they got it wrong in 1884 so the cutoff was set at 1888 to skew the numbers). You can use those to see if this county is a magic psychic octopus that can pick world cup results, or if it's simply the result of the rule of large numbers.

And, as pointed out, their support right now is irrelevant to the election a year from now. It doesn't make any difference unless the county also happened to support the winning candidate a year early each election (except for the ones they got wrong).


Maths for this:

p(N=30) = (32 over 30)* 0.5^32=1,15*10^-7
p(N>=30) = sum(i=30 until i=32) (32 over i) * 0.5^32=1.23*10^-7, or about 1 in 8 million

There are only about 3000 counties in the US.

Thus, it can safely be concluded that this county is a lot better than a coinflip at predicting presidents. Please do the maths before arguing with the maths. I get roughly reasonable values at a prediction accuracy of 0.7, leading to an about 1 in 1000 chance to have picked 30 out of 32 correctly.

However, it should also not be forgotten that the average county should be better than 0.5 at selecting a president, as the president tends to be the person that gets selected by the most people, with some additional quirks in the system.

Your other point is still relevant, though. You can't go "x is a good indicator of y, and b looks kinda similar to x and might even be losely correlated, thus b is a good indicator of y", that is just horribly bad science.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 06 2015 10:30 GMT
#52262
Now Trump's got you talking about maths. A genius.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 06 2015 14:04 GMT
#52263
but that county would also vote for jim webb before all other candidates. the loonies in the dem party drove him out tho
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
December 06 2015 20:46 GMT
#52264
"Shooter’s Father: Farook Told Me He Supported ISIS, Al Baghdadi"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/shooters-father-farook-told-me-he-supported-isis-al-baghdadi/

"Shooter’s Mother Active In US Branch Of Pro-Caliphate Islamic Group"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/05/shooters-mother-active-in-us-branch-of-pro-caliphate-islamic-group/

It seems this family knew about their radical Islamic son and didn't report anything to the authorities. I think Trump is once again right on they money, his sister had to have known as well.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
December 06 2015 20:52 GMT
#52265
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 20:57:50
December 06 2015 20:57 GMT
#52266
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
December 06 2015 21:00 GMT
#52267
On December 07 2015 05:57 Eskendereya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?


If it would be so easy we wouldn't have people shooting stuff to pulp every other week. Surely the parents of school shooters should have noticed something as well?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23928 Posts
December 06 2015 21:01 GMT
#52268
On December 07 2015 05:46 Eskendereya wrote:
"Shooter’s Father: Farook Told Me He Supported ISIS, Al Baghdadi"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/shooters-father-farook-told-me-he-supported-isis-al-baghdadi/

"Shooter’s Mother Active In US Branch Of Pro-Caliphate Islamic Group"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/05/shooters-mother-active-in-us-branch-of-pro-caliphate-islamic-group/

It seems this family knew about their radical Islamic son and didn't report anything to the authorities. I think Trump is once again right on they money, his sister had to have known as well.



So does Trump's advocating for bringing back torture, and going after terrorist's families mean he has already implicitly suggested we torture Farook's family whether they are American or not?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
December 06 2015 21:02 GMT
#52269
On December 07 2015 05:57 Eskendereya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?

No your not required to report ISIS supporters to the authorities because supporting ISIS is not a crime.

I believe he was known to be a threat by intelligence anyway?

Again, what exactly is your point here.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:04:49
December 06 2015 21:02 GMT
#52270
Trump is going to win the nomination so easily,think he will also beat Clinton in the end.
At least he is the only candidate that would have a shot at it. Hope he wins as well,even though I like democratic policys better in general. Wonder who he will run with as 2nd,cruz would be a bad choise and don't think trump would want to,carson would be good but also seems a bit unlikely. Palin is best fit for him I think but not sure how feasonable that will be.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:09:40
December 06 2015 21:03 GMT
#52271
On December 06 2015 15:28 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
Erika Christakis, the faculty member at the center of a racially charged debate at Yale, has decided not to teach at the Ivy League school going forward.

"I will not be teaching at Yale in the future," she told Business Insider in an email Thursday.

Christakis' decision came after weeks of backlash against the lecturer and administrator over an email she sent to students suggesting that Yale shouldn't tell them not to wear offensive Halloween costumes.

Show nested quote +
When I was young, adults were freaked out by the specter of Halloween candy poisoned by lunatics, or spiked with razor blades (despite the absence of a single recorded case of such an event). Now, we’ve grown to fear the sugary candy itself. And this year, we seem afraid that college students are unable to decide how to dress themselves on Halloween.

I don’t wish to trivialize genuine concerns about cultural and personal representation, and other challenges to our lived experience in a plural community. I know that many decent people have proposed guidelines on Halloween costumes from a spirit of avoiding hurt and offense. I laud those goals, in theory, as most of us do. But in practice, I wonder if we should reflect more transparently, as a community, on the consequences of an institutional (which is to say: bureaucratic and administrative) exercise of implied control over college students.

It seems to me that we can have this discussion of costumes on many levels: we can talk about complex issues of identify, free speech, cultural appropriation, and virtue “signaling.” But I wanted to share my thoughts with you from a totally different angle, as an educator concerned with the developmental stages of childhood and young adulthood.

As a former preschool teacher, for example, it is hard for me to give credence to a claim that there is something objectionably “appropriative” about a blonde-haired child’s wanting to be Mulan for a day. Pretend play is the foundation of most cognitive tasks, and it seems to me that we want to be in the business of encouraging the exercise of imagination, not constraining it. I suppose we could agree that there is a difference between fantasizing about an individual character vs. appropriating a culture, wholesale, the latter of which could be seen as (tacky)(offensive)(jejeune)(hurtful), take your pick. But, then, I wonder what is the statute of limitations on dreaming of dressing as Tiana the Frog Princess if you aren’t a black girl from New Orleans? Is it okay if you are eight, but not 18? I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable. Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one, prefer not to cross.

Which is my point. I don’t, actually, trust myself to foist my Halloweenish standards and motives on others. I can’t defend them anymore than you could defend yours. Why do we dress up on Halloween, anyway? Should we start explaining that too? I’ve always been a good mimic and I enjoy accents. I love to travel, too, and have been to every continent but Antarctica. When I lived in Bangladesh, I bought a sari because it was beautiful, even though I looked stupid in it and never wore it once. Am I fetishizing and appropriating others’ cultural experiences? Probably. But I really, really like them too.
Business Insider

I thought the letter, which I've excerpted some of, was an introspective and brave piece. Now the backlash was too much for her to endure. We had the discussion on appropriate/inappropriate costumes not too long ago. This is some very real consequences for an academic investigating what the holiday means in an honest letter with abundant good faith.


This makes me fucking mad. And sad. What a world we live in-- a bunch of entitled brats with less than mediocre reading comprehension and massive persecution complexes win against a professor with more intelligence and introspection in her fingernail clippings. Yell loud enough and it seems you can get what you want. That this can happen is a fucking travesty, and Yale is that much poorer for losing her.

Also every time I read about shit like this happening at Yale, Harvard, etc. I'm slightly salty. Like seriously, how did I not get into Yale when these guys did?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:05:17
December 06 2015 21:04 GMT
#52272
Say what you want but if what's quoted in that link is true the Dad should have clearly reported him. This is pretty classy comming from him as well, assuming true:
“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist any more. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more,”


Trump is obviously still an idiot for saying that you have to kill those people or whatever it is he's implying.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
December 06 2015 21:19 GMT
#52273
On December 07 2015 06:00 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 05:57 Eskendereya wrote:
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?


If it would be so easy we wouldn't have people shooting stuff to pulp every other week. Surely the parents of school shooters should have noticed something as well?


Difference is %99 of those kids who do those school shootings are already seeking help from psychiatrists and are on medication. Their problems are already trying to be addressed.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:21:39
December 06 2015 21:19 GMT
#52274
Some good news:

Former President Jimmy Carter said Sunday his cancer is gone.

Carter said in a statement that his most recent MRI brain scan did not reveal any signs of the original cancer spots or any new ones and that he’ll continue his treatment.

Carter, 91, initially made the announcement near the beginning of the Sunday School class he was teaching at Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains, a close friend and fellow church member said.
“He said he got a scan this week and the cancer was gone,” Jill Stuckey said by phone from Maranatha, where Carter was still in the midst of teaching to about 350 people, many of them visitors. “The church, everybody here, just erupted in applause.”


Source (AJC)


Politics is so bad it gave me cancer, but it's okay I got over it.
Can't stop, won't stop swag swag motherfuckers
-Jimmy Carter
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Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:37:16
December 06 2015 21:22 GMT
#52275
On December 07 2015 06:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 05:57 Eskendereya wrote:
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?

No your not required to report ISIS supporters to the authorities because supporting ISIS is not a crime.

I believe he was known to be a threat by intelligence anyway?

Again, what exactly is your point here.


Have you read the articles I linked? Clearly there were red flags with this guy, point is people should start reporting suspicious activity and red flags to authorities so they can check up on them. If they don't find anything then that's fine, but at least you give authorities the chance to investigate and see if there's anything strange going on.

The guy's apartment was littered with pipe bombs, guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition and who knows what else that hasn't come out yet.

Also, the guy told his father he supported ISIS... Do you know what ISIS is? If someone told me they supported ISIS, especially a family member, I'd think they're batshit crazy and I would report them to authorities, regardless if it leads anywhere. You realize ISIS is a terrorist organization right...?
Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:27:51
December 06 2015 21:25 GMT
#52276
On December 07 2015 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 05:46 Eskendereya wrote:
"Shooter’s Father: Farook Told Me He Supported ISIS, Al Baghdadi"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/shooters-father-farook-told-me-he-supported-isis-al-baghdadi/

"Shooter’s Mother Active In US Branch Of Pro-Caliphate Islamic Group"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/05/shooters-mother-active-in-us-branch-of-pro-caliphate-islamic-group/

It seems this family knew about their radical Islamic son and didn't report anything to the authorities. I think Trump is once again right on they money, his sister had to have known as well.



So does Trump's advocating for bringing back torture, and going after terrorist's families mean he has already implicitly suggested we torture Farook's family whether they are American or not?


Torture for ISIS type groups who cut peoples heads off with 6 inch knives, burn people alive, torture them in the most gruesome ways possible, is anyone really going to lose sleep over it?

Google "ISIS beheadings" and "ISIS child soldiers" who they train to behead and execute their victims.

He's talking about terrorists and their families in the middle east, clearly if you're an American you are protected by the constitution and go through the legal system here.

ISIS and ISIS type groups' families in the middle east are radicalized, I think if you want to destroy ISIS you have to take them all out whether you like it or not. War is terrible but there's no other way.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 06 2015 21:34 GMT
#52277
Sometimes, i don't even. Honestly.

Are you a troll? Next to being a flat out liar, obviously?
On track to MA1950A.
Eskendereya
Profile Joined August 2015
United States97 Posts
December 06 2015 21:35 GMT
#52278
On December 07 2015 06:34 m4ini wrote:
Sometimes, i don't even. Honestly.

Are you a troll? Next to being a flat out liar, obviously?


Are you talking to me? Why don't you elaborate what I'm 'flat out lying about'.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-06 21:38:57
December 06 2015 21:36 GMT
#52279
On December 07 2015 06:25 Eskendereya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On December 07 2015 05:46 Eskendereya wrote:
"Shooter’s Father: Farook Told Me He Supported ISIS, Al Baghdadi"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/shooters-father-farook-told-me-he-supported-isis-al-baghdadi/

"Shooter’s Mother Active In US Branch Of Pro-Caliphate Islamic Group"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/05/shooters-mother-active-in-us-branch-of-pro-caliphate-islamic-group/

It seems this family knew about their radical Islamic son and didn't report anything to the authorities. I think Trump is once again right on they money, his sister had to have known as well.



So does Trump's advocating for bringing back torture, and going after terrorist's families mean he has already implicitly suggested we torture Farook's family whether they are American or not?


Torture for ISIS type groups who cut peoples heads off with 6 inch knives, burn people alive, torture them in the most gruesome ways possible, is anyone really going to lose sleep over it?

Google "ISIS beheadings" and "ISIS child soldiers" who they train to behead and execute their victims.

He's talking about terrorists and their families in the middle east, clearly if you're an American you are protected by the constitution and go through the legal system here.

ISIS and ISIS type groups' families in the middle east are radicalized, I think if you want to destroy ISIS you have to take them all out whether you like it or not. War is terrible but there's no other way.


and this is were you actually become compareable to North Korea.

And the last phrase takes it even one step further saying genocide should be performed...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
December 06 2015 21:40 GMT
#52280
On December 07 2015 06:19 Eskendereya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2015 06:00 Nyxisto wrote:
On December 07 2015 05:57 Eskendereya wrote:
On December 07 2015 05:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Supporting ISIS is not a crime.
He was known to be a threat?

What is the point


I think the point is to report suspicious activity to authorities, especially if your god damn son supports ISIS. There had to be other red flags as well. Don't ya think?


If it would be so easy we wouldn't have people shooting stuff to pulp every other week. Surely the parents of school shooters should have noticed something as well?


Difference is %99 of those kids who do those school shootings are already seeking help from psychiatrists and are on medication. Their problems are already trying to be addressed.


I'm pretty sure you just made that number up
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