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On December 02 2015 11:56 Nyxisto wrote:
I saw the clip of Trump mocking a disabled person. As I understand it that seems like a pretty effective way to piss religious conservatives off. I just don't understand it, why is he immune to any kind of reasonable response?
The fascism comparison doesn't seem so far off, it really seems like everybody is channeling his inner nazi through Trump.
1) Trump is openly hostile to the political establishment.
2) The republican voter base (and to a lesser extent, the general electorate, but that's another story) has turned rabidly anti-establishment.
3) Trump supporters distrust the media and how the media covers Trump (with fairly good reason).
4) Trump speaks plainly and directly, which leads people to believe that he's actually going to do what he says that he's going to do (in stark contrast to other politicians).
5) Trump openly gives no fucks and basically doubles down whenever he is challenged on something. Say what you want about the desirability of nuance in politics, but there are a lot of people that admire Trump's absolute clarity and willingness to campaign with both middle fingers flying.
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Any time he says something nuts he just buries the criticism by saying something else nuts. Nobody can keep up...
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I recently watched some interview with Bernie Sanders on Bill Maher show and it became to me painfully obvious why he cant be president unless he changes his act, His refusal to stop talking abut percents and attack from different angle is going to bury him. Even i know that he cant win elections by constantly mentioning the ways in which US is inferior to Western Europe/Nordics. He isnt going to convice anyone not already convinced. He needs different ammunition and it seems like the problem is not that he is lacking one, but his reluctance to use it.
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On December 02 2015 14:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +The CEO of UnitedHealthCare on Tuesday said he regretted the decision to enter the ObamaCare marketplace last year, which the company says has resulted in millions of dollars in losses.
“It was for us a bad decision,” UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley said at an investor’s meeting in New York, according to Bloomberg Business.
UnitedHealth, the country’s largest insurer, announced last month that it would no longer advertise its ObamaCare plans over the next year and may pull out completely in 2016 — a move that sent shockwaves across the healthcare sector.
Hemsley’s remarks double down on his earlier warning that the ObamaCare exchanges remain weaker than expected after two years and that it will take far longer for insurers to profit from the millions of new enrollees. The Hill
Those poor insurance companies....
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i don't think insurance establishes the right incentive structure, or it's too exploitable, but insurance companies themselves are not necessarily making large profits.
do they need to survive as a particular form of business? not necessarily. need some socialism in this area
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Insurance company is so used by money falling from sky they are totally void of reality.
I have a friend who works as software engi in a health insurance company, he got an allowance of 6k to get his personal work computer, which is separate from the machine he use at work. Whenever I need license for a $100 software I will ask my boss, then push up the level with formal request with business justification, then I might get it weeks later; he just orders $5000 license without need to ask for permission.
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On December 02 2015 18:46 Silvanel wrote:
I recently watched some interview with Bernie Sanders on Bill Maher show and it became to me painfully obvious why he cant be president unless he changes his act, His refusal to stop talking abut percents and attack from different angle is going to bury him. Even i know that he cant win elections by constantly mentioning the ways in which US is inferior to Western Europe/Nordics. He isnt going to convice anyone not already convinced. He needs different ammunition and it seems like the problem is not that he is lacking one, but his reluctance to use it.
it's still prior to primaries, so he's trying to win over core voters yet. I agree though, assuming he gets the nod over Hilldawg, he will have to make himself seem more moderate fast to get any independent voters
while I like him and he seems like a genuinely good person, I also think that part of his steam here is how much people fucking hate Hillary/the fact that the Dems are throwing up a candidate that's about as establishment as it gets in a time when income inequality/challenging status quo is one of the main voting topics.
If the leading Dem candidate was more of an actual Dem than a pseudo conservative like Hillary, I think Bernie loses some of that vote.
On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be.
maybe the first time, but after everyone tore him to shreds about it and it was all over the news how this video does not exist and he doubled down. At this point the best you can say is he is being willfully ignorant on it, and that's only if you're being willfully ignorant about him having no qualms about holding narrative about truth.
On December 02 2015 11:56 Nyxisto wrote:
I saw the clip of Trump mocking a disabled person. As I understand it that seems like a pretty effective way to piss religious conservatives off. I just don't understand it, why is he immune to any kind of reasonable response?
The fascism comparison doesn't seem so far off, it really seems like everybody is channeling his inner nazi through Trump.
as noted, his biggest supporters fancy themselves as hating the establishment, and that's what he primarily represents. so as much as that's disgusting to do what he did, in their eyes, they view it as lashing back at a primarily liberal media that has the exact same kind stupid and petty biases that Fox, Brietbart, etc has. Basically it's the same way liberals justify all sorts of dumb shit they bash conservatives for by saying 'They did it first!'
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On December 02 2015 23:54 ragz_gt wrote:
Insurance company is so used by money falling from sky they are totally void of reality.
I have a friend who works as software engi in a health insurance company, he got an allowance of 6k to get his personal work computer, which is separate from the machine he use at work. Whenever I need license for a $100 software I will ask my boss, then push up the level with formal request with business justification, then I might get it weeks later; he just orders $5000 license without need to ask for permission.
I remember there was one state that has zero requirements on the amount of money an insurance company was required to spend on care(pre Obama care) and they had one company that was spending 80% on salary and “operating costs”, 20% on care.
But like the real estate brokers and loan officers after the crash in 2007, I can’t feel bad for these insurance companies that they have to think about how they spend money like normal businesses.
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Private Insurance companies in Switzerland spend about 5-8% of their total income on “operating costs”. Something seems to be very wrong in the US... And it probably isn't Obamacare.
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some of that is fraud detection and fulfilling reporting etc procedures. but the fat cats in the industry and future direction for further profit extraction is in the care providers and medical devices. the guys holding all the monopoly and information advantage.
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On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be.
I think that once you double down on demonstrably false misremembering (and still can't prove your memory was right with a shred of evidence beyond the work of a journalist that personally doesn't even corroborate your story) it becomes lying. At least Carson seems to have stopped doing that.
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One of the worst aspects of US health insurances is the rolling invoices and billing systems. That they provide estimates at the doctor’s office and you pay what insurance won’t cover. But then for the next like 8 months the doctor’s office sends you bills for parts of the service the insurance company rejected. We had to leave on doctor because they would bill for services from like almost a year ago. And the insurance companies “statements” of coverage and usage of insurance are unreadable. And I've work in debt collection and provided proof of claims before. I have seen unreasonable invoice/ledgers and nothing beats the healthcare market.
And it is all done with the same intent of internet and cable providers, that it is easier to pay the bill than fight about it. And its distressing how effective that is. It is the practices of an industry that is completely free of fear when it comes to oversight or litigation. It all built into the operating cost.
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On December 03 2015 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be. I think that once you double down on demonstrably false misremembering (and still can't prove your memory was right with a shred of evidence beyond the work of a journalist that personally doesn't even corroborate your story) it becomes lying. At least Carson seems to have stopped doing that.
Agreed, but I'd also add that when you repeatedly open your mouth about major things without even bothering to do the slightest bit of fact checking it's pretty much on par with lying intentionally.
continuing to double down on the shit about Muslims in the States cheering is so gross and stupid
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On December 03 2015 00:59 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be. I think that once you double down on demonstrably false misremembering (and still can't prove your memory was right with a shred of evidence beyond the work of a journalist that personally doesn't even corroborate your story) it becomes lying. At least Carson seems to have stopped doing that. Agreed, but I'd also add that when you repeatedly open your mouth about major things without even bothering to do the slightest bit of fact checking it's pretty much on par with lying intentionally. continuing to double down on the shit about Muslims in the States cheering is so gross and stupid
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-isis-terrorists-you-have-take-out-their-families-n472711
His current plan is that we need to kill the terrorist families too. Per Trump, we need to kill everyone that the terrorist care about. This is the guy dominating the news cycle and the rest of the world seeing this. I can’t even begin to think of what normal folks in the middle east much be thinking. He is like a recruiter's dream.
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I am still not convinced that Trump is not actually trolling.
It appears to me that he is just trying to say increasingly more ridiculous things until people stop taking him seriously, and is as surprised as you and i that that still hasn't happened.
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^ I think the only reason I am holding out hope for that is that the alternative (him being genuine) is just depressing.
and yeah I saw that this am too.
Basically at this point I feel pretty comfortable in assuming that anyone supporting him sucks.
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On December 03 2015 01:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:59 QuanticHawk wrote:On December 03 2015 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be. I think that once you double down on demonstrably false misremembering (and still can't prove your memory was right with a shred of evidence beyond the work of a journalist that personally doesn't even corroborate your story) it becomes lying. At least Carson seems to have stopped doing that. Agreed, but I'd also add that when you repeatedly open your mouth about major things without even bothering to do the slightest bit of fact checking it's pretty much on par with lying intentionally. continuing to double down on the shit about Muslims in the States cheering is so gross and stupid http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-isis-terrorists-you-have-take-out-their-families-n472711His current plan is that we need to kill the terrorist families too. Per Trump, we need to kill everyone that the terrorist care about. This is the guy dominating the news cycle and the rest of the world seeing this. I can’t even begin to think of what normal folks in the middle east much be thinking. He is like a recruiter's dream.
Didn't Russia actually have a lot of success by taking similar approaches in the past?
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Every day the modern news agencies get closer and closer to the Robocop dystopia envisioned in the 80s as satire. Trump is moving us in that direction at an amazing pace.
Except I think Robocop would be the bad guy working for Trump.
On December 03 2015 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 01:04 Plansix wrote:On December 03 2015 00:59 QuanticHawk wrote:On December 03 2015 00:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.
But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.
he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be. I think that once you double down on demonstrably false misremembering (and still can't prove your memory was right with a shred of evidence beyond the work of a journalist that personally doesn't even corroborate your story) it becomes lying. At least Carson seems to have stopped doing that. Agreed, but I'd also add that when you repeatedly open your mouth about major things without even bothering to do the slightest bit of fact checking it's pretty much on par with lying intentionally. continuing to double down on the shit about Muslims in the States cheering is so gross and stupid http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-isis-terrorists-you-have-take-out-their-families-n472711His current plan is that we need to kill the terrorist families too. Per Trump, we need to kill everyone that the terrorist care about. This is the guy dominating the news cycle and the rest of the world seeing this. I can’t even begin to think of what normal folks in the middle east much be thinking. He is like a recruiter's dream. Didn't Russia actually have a lot of success by taking similar approaches in the past?
I am sure a lot of countries could create some metric of success for killing everyone associated with their enemies. Long term there are a number of problems, unless we are willing to commit genocide. And then there are problems with that.
But really, killing people because a family member turned to a life of violence isn't really a world we want to enter.
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On December 03 2015 01:12 Simberto wrote:
I am still not convinced that Trump is not actually trolling.
It appears to me that he is just trying to say increasingly more ridiculous things until people stop taking him seriously, and is as surprised as you and i that that still hasn't happened.
I see a lot of people say this sort of thing but I don't understand why. He is winning. People are really just not paying proper credit to how effective it has been. And if you look at 2008 and 2012, you will see that chest beating, anti-establishment rhetoric has been super effective. I really think Trump is just doing what he perceives as the best idea. He's not a huge bigot and he's not a huge troll. He is doing everything he can to win the nomination.
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On December 03 2015 01:27 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 01:12 Simberto wrote:
I am still not convinced that Trump is not actually trolling.
It appears to me that he is just trying to say increasingly more ridiculous things until people stop taking him seriously, and is as surprised as you and i that that still hasn't happened. I see a lot of people say this sort of thing but I don't understand why. He is winning. People are really just not paying proper credit to how effective it has been. And if you look at 2008 and 2012, you will see that chest beating, anti-establishment rhetoric has been super effective. I really think Trump is just doing what he perceives as the best idea. He's not a huge bigot and he's not a huge troll. He is doing everything he can to win the nomination.
He is making up stories about Muslims in New Jersey cheering as the twin towers fell. Completely false in every way. He insulted a disabled person because he could. He is talking about murdering people just because their family members decided to join ISIS, even if they are not actively assisting them.
The man is a bigot, asshole and a blight on the US. Luckily he also has like a 89% unfavorable rating with the majority of the US population.
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