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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 20:13:25
December 01 2015 20:12 GMT
#51641
Yet every time he does that we hear screams of executive overreach and how he is abusing the executive order system so much more than every other pres.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 01 2015 20:15 GMT
#51642
There's not that much that Feds can do to revamp the criminal justice system outside of decriminalizing marijuana. Criminal law is generally reserved for the states to handle.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 20:17:26
December 01 2015 20:15 GMT
#51643
On December 02 2015 04:26 farvacola wrote:
There's no such thing as being "without any real ideology"


Peter Keating would beg to differ. Trump isn't much of a Peter Keating-type, though.

Though I guess if you call pragmatism and/or doing what is convenient an ideology it becomes one? I don't think it's a useful category of ideology though.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 01 2015 20:28 GMT
#51644
On December 02 2015 05:15 xDaunt wrote:
There's not that much that Feds can do to revamp the criminal justice system outside of decriminalizing marijuana. Criminal law is generally reserved for the states to handle.

isn't mandatory sentencing for drug related stuff also a federal thing? federal level change could lead to state reform as well.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 20:44:08
December 01 2015 20:43 GMT
#51645
On December 02 2015 05:28 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 05:15 xDaunt wrote:
There's not that much that Feds can do to revamp the criminal justice system outside of decriminalizing marijuana. Criminal law is generally reserved for the states to handle.

isn't mandatory sentencing for drug related stuff also a federal thing? federal level change could lead to state reform as well.

I'm not too familiar with criminal law, but I'm pretty sure that mandatory sentencing for federal criminal charges only applies to federal criminal charges. There are separate state penal and criminal codes that often run concurrently with federal law. Those state laws will have different penalties.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 01 2015 20:45 GMT
#51646
On December 02 2015 04:03 oneofthem wrote:
yes he's made them but not highlighted that part of his platform or at any rate not active in shaping the perception of his platform towards that direction. he'll be doing that after primary season.

He has talked about these issues in his speeches. The problem is that the media is only interested in characterizing Trump as a racist, so they focus on his comments on enforcement.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 01 2015 21:23 GMT
#51647
Puerto Rico’s governor, Alejandro García Padilla, told the US Senate on Tuesday that the troubled Caribbean island has “no cash left” and can no longer repay its $72bn debts.

The territory announced it would honor a $354m debt payment due on 1 December as Padilla was testifying, but Padilla said austerity measures had not only eaten into essential services but caused tax revenues to crater. With more than $900m due in January, the governor said his options were restructuring or disaster.

Padilla gave the Senate a deadline of Dec. 11 to provide Puerto Rico a viable restructuring plan.

“The consequences of a default without any legal framework to restructure our liabilities are so disastrous that for the past six months we have been executing emergency measures to continue meeting our obligations with our creditors and avoid a disruption of essential services to our citizens,” Padilla said in a prepared statement. “These emergency measures are unsustainable.”

Face to face with the Senate judiciary committee, however, he was more blunt: “Absent an orderly process, [the default’s] effects will be catastrophic. That is why, starting today, the commonwealth of Puerto Rico will have to claw back revenues pledged to certain bond issues in order to maintain essential public services. We have taken this difficult step in the hopes that Congress will act soon, but let us be clear: we have no cash left.”

The troubled territory, where 45% of its 3.5 million population live in poverty, looked almost certain to miss its latest debt payment on Tuesday as the US Congress discussed ways to save Puerto Rico from being crushed by its $72bn debt.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
December 01 2015 21:47 GMT
#51648
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 01 2015 21:54 GMT
#51649
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



The pesky problem of “I don’t agree with this racism, but I really need the primary votes of the people that are super into his racism.” The struggle is real.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-01 22:11:21
December 01 2015 22:10 GMT
#51650
Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy has been fired by Mayor Rahm Emanuel, the mayor confirmed Tuesday.

McCarthy was called into City Hall on Monday and when he left City Hall he still had a job. But overnight, the mayor called McCarthy to tell him he was out, the Sun-Times’ Michael Sneed first reported.

McCarthy appeared “shell-shocked” by the news, sources said. As recently as late October, McCarthy was sounding very secure in his job when he spoke at a gathering of the International Association of Chiefs of Police:

“Welcome to Chicago, to my adopted home that I’m never leaving,” McCarthy said then. “Thank you, mayor, for bringing me here. I know, I’m never leaving. Sorry.”

Though McCarthy’s record “is a strong one, and one he can be proud of,” Emanuel said, “now is a time for fresh eyes and new leadership.”

Emanuel appointed First Deputy Supt. John Escalante to serve as acting superintendent.

At the news conference, Emanuel also fielded questions about the questions swirling around how the city handled the fatal shooting of McDonald by Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke. First-degree murder charges were filed last week against Van Dyke — more than a year after the shooting.

Emanuel noted that the city’s handling of the case is being investigated by the U.S. Attorney’s office, and he told the reporters that he hopes they will “await the results of that” review.

McCarthy, however, will not be around when those results come in.


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Now it's Rahm's turn to leave. Although they should probably both be legally liable for the attempted cover up.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 01 2015 22:50 GMT
#51651
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
December 01 2015 23:38 GMT
#51652
On December 02 2015 07:50 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



he might not be lying, but misremembering; most people are very confident in their memories, but there is much research to show how unreliable they can be.


Haha, yeah, that could be it. Realistically it's probably what everyone has said which was there were videos showing people in the ME celebrating and he just refuses to admit that's probably what he remembers. His last defense about "Oh the tech was ancient back then, it's so hard to find footage..." is silly.

Of course he's still totally full of crap and has a long list of lies to choose from.

Which coincidentally puts him at the top of the Republican nomination field for the last 5 months.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 01:51:36
December 02 2015 01:51 GMT
#51653
On December 02 2015 06:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



The pesky problem of “I don’t agree with this racism, but I really need the primary votes of the people that are super into his racism.” The struggle is real.


also a lot of the other candidates have been stringing the same line with no positive policies to fall back on. how do they even attack trump
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 02 2015 01:56 GMT
#51654
On December 02 2015 10:51 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 06:54 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



The pesky problem of “I don’t agree with this racism, but I really need the primary votes of the people that are super into his racism.” The struggle is real.


also a lot of the other candidates have been stringing the same line with no positive policies to fall back on. how do they even attack trump

The problem is that courting any other section of voters will cause them to lose the trump voters, even in the primaries. And I would also point out that we are still in the clown show section of the primaries. The majority of primary voters have not truly made up their mind.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 02 2015 02:45 GMT
#51655
New Hampshire is beginning to look like Jeb Bush's final stand.

Stuck in the middle of the GOP pack he was expected to dominate, Bush is accelerating the time frame for his campaign’s next ad buy in the state. His campaign also announced Tuesday that it is opening four regional field offices in New Hampshire and upping its on-the-ground staff from 12 people to 20.

That concentration of resources comes after his Right to Rise super PAC has already spent $12 million on TV ads and blanketed New Hampshire with four direct mail pieces. Bush himself has made 60 campaign appearances. Despite those efforts, polls show the former Florida governor remains mired in sixth place in the early state he most needs to win.

Now, with the state’s first in the nation primary 10 weeks away, time is running short.

“It is very fluid in New Hampshire right now, but there just doesn’t seem to be any excitement for Jeb," said Drew Cline, the long-time editorial page editor at the Union Leader who now runs a consulting business. "I wouldn’t completely rule Jeb Bush out, but I think it’s becoming clear that if he’s going to do well in New Hampshire, he has to dramatically change things and I don’t see any indication that that’s happening."

Bush’s team continues to insist its organizational strength will matter more in the end -- and is more relevant than the polls. Bush has also campaigned in the state far more often than recently ascendant rivals Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio.

“Rubio is not here very much at all. He has better poll numbers, but we have to see if that can be sustained,” said one New Hampshire-based political operative. “If Jeb can beat expectations, which shouldn’t be that hard these days, he might have a path out of here.”

Bush, whose campaign just completed a month-long run of ads in the state, hadn’t planned to go back on the air until January. But in a sign of the urgency of his predicament, the campaign announced it has reserved three weeks of airtime starting this week, in the hopes of securing a top three finish on Feb. 9.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 02:56:39
December 02 2015 02:47 GMT
#51656
On December 02 2015 10:56 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 10:51 Doraemon wrote:
On December 02 2015 06:54 Plansix wrote:
On December 02 2015 06:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
The way some people are glossing over Trump encouraging his supporters to beat up a protester, pushing neo-nazi propaganda, being endorsed by several neo-nazi groups, and just straight up lying about watching this video of thousands of New Jersey Muslims celebrating after 9/11, and all the other lies, is impressive.

But yeah it's just the pesky liberal media that wants to focus on his racism, lies, and bigotry... The Republican party certainly doesn't want to talk about it.



The pesky problem of “I don’t agree with this racism, but I really need the primary votes of the people that are super into his racism.” The struggle is real.


also a lot of the other candidates have been stringing the same line with no positive policies to fall back on. how do they even attack trump

The problem is that courting any other section of voters will cause them to lose the trump voters, even in the primaries. And I would also point out that we are still in the clown show section of the primaries. The majority of primary voters have not truly made up their mind.


I wonder how many of the ~70% who haven't decided are Trump supporters and/or how many of the Trump supporters are part of the ~30% who have decided?

If Trump wasn't leading Cruz in Texas and demolishing Rubio in Florida and every other contender in their own home states I might buy into the "they haven't made up their mind" idea (which is technically true). Problem with it is it doesn't mean anyone else improves enough to overtake Trump.

Cruz's ground game in Iowa is pretty much the party's only hope to stop Trump which is pretty funny.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 03:06:58
December 02 2015 02:56 GMT
#51657
I saw the clip of Trump mocking a disabled person. As I understand it that seems like a pretty effective way to piss religious conservatives off. I just don't understand it, why is he immune to any kind of reasonable response?

The fascism comparison doesn't seem so far off, it really seems like everybody is channeling his inner nazi through Trump.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 03:15:08
December 02 2015 03:06 GMT
#51658
Because people don't take him seriously. And that is why he is dangerous. And he does things some people wish they can do publicly, which he can get away with because he throws money at the problem until it goes away. And when he does, and gets away with it, some lunatic people love to cheer him on because that indulges in their own fantasies. Sickening. Now I am not idiotic enough to compare him to Isis or Hitler, but he is a terrible man in his own right, there needs to be no comparison.
I post only when my brain works.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 02 2015 03:14 GMT
#51659
On December 02 2015 11:56 Nyxisto wrote:
I saw the clip of Trump mocking a disabled person. As I understand it that seems like a pretty effective way to piss religious conservatives off. I just don't understand it, why is he immune to any kind of reasonable response?

The fascism comparison doesn't seem so far off, it really seems like everybody is channeling his inner nazi through Trump.

When your starting point is as absurd as possible, anyone trying to use reason ends up being the idiot for misreading the situation entirely.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 02 2015 05:20 GMT
#51660
The CEO of UnitedHealthCare on Tuesday said he regretted the decision to enter the ObamaCare marketplace last year, which the company says has resulted in millions of dollars in losses.

“It was for us a bad decision,” UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley said at an investor’s meeting in New York, according to Bloomberg Business.

UnitedHealth, the country’s largest insurer, announced last month that it would no longer advertise its ObamaCare plans over the next year and may pull out completely in 2016 — a move that sent shockwaves across the healthcare sector.

Hemsley’s remarks double down on his earlier warning that the ObamaCare exchanges remain weaker than expected after two years and that it will take far longer for insurers to profit from the millions of new enrollees.
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