US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1965

On May 15 2015 05:58 Danglars wrote:
For the sake of a thread on politics, can you two just drop the bickering on details when you can't come to terms? This is like a thread pollution version of CCStealthBlue's Environmental Disaster of the Week. It just sickens you. Any forum-goer can read 10 pages and see the gist of both sides in racism and sexism in jobs, and I doubt another two pages will be the clincher in persuading the reader who's being disingenuous and who's arguing in good faith.

I'm sure whatever topic next surfaces in the news will provide another great battleground for driving a point home. This one's the quintessence of beating a dead horse.

On May 15 2015 05:58 Danglars wrote:
For the sake of a thread on politics, can you two just drop the bickering on details when you can't come to terms? This is like a thread pollution version of CCStealthBlue's Environmental Disaster of the Week. It just sickens you. Any forum-goer can read 10 pages and see the gist of both sides in racism and sexism in jobs, and I doubt another two pages will be the clincher in persuading the reader who's being disingenuous and who's arguing in good faith.

I'm sure whatever topic next surfaces in the news will provide another great battleground for driving a point home. This one's the quintessence of beating a dead horse.

California's state Senate has passed a bill to eliminate "personal belief exemptions" that currently allow parents to opt out of having their school-age children vaccinated.

SB 277, sponsored by Democratic Sens. Richard Pan of Sacramento and Ben Allen of Santa Monica, passed 25 to 10 and now advances to the Assembly.

The bill's sponsors introduced the legislation following an outbreak of measles in Disneyland that started in December and sickened dozens. Most of those who became ill had never been vaccinated against measles.

"When you have pockets of low vaccination," Pan, a pediatrician, said, "we need to do more to protect our communities. ... This is a matter of public safety."

The San Jose Mercury News says the bill "would require children to be vaccinated before entering kindergarten. Medical exemptions are permitted but exemptions based on personal and religious objections are not."

Lisa Aliferis of member station KQED in San Francisco says the vote was largely along party lines, with many Republicans opposing it.

"Getting a religious exemption is not unreasonable," said Sen. Joel Anderson, R-San Diego, according to Aliferis. "Don't get caught up with zeal. ... You can gain more with honey than you can with vinegar."

KQED says that if the bill becomes law, California would become the third state to have such a strict requirement.

On May 15 2015 07:46 KwarK wrote:
Yeah, better not get caught up with zeal over stopping children die from diseases we already wiped out once. Let's be reasonable on that subject, I'm sure both sides have merit.

On May 15 2015 07:53 Nyxisto wrote:
just vaccinate the little fuckers, why does every medical issue have to be turned into some kind of war of freedom : (

On May 15 2015 10:03 Ghostcom wrote:


Because of the somewhat sad medical history of the US - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

On May 15 2015 10:21 KwarK wrote:

I wish shit like that was why people didn't trust the government but I don't think it is. I don't think most people even know about stuff like that. It's more a general ignorance and distrust of science in my opinion. The same way that people will genuinely believe the government is after their guns to create a police state while their civil liberties are stripped in countless other ways. Distrust doesn't need to be linked to wrongdoing, a lot of people just really enjoy distrust, especially when it allows them to believe that people almost universally agreed to be smarter than they are are wrong and they are uniquely right.

On May 15 2015 10:21 KwarK wrote:

I wish shit like that was why people didn't trust the government but I don't think it is. I don't think most people even know about stuff like that. It's more a general ignorance and distrust of science in my opinion. The same way that people will genuinely believe the government is after their guns to create a police state while their civil liberties are stripped in countless other ways. Distrust doesn't need to be linked to wrongdoing, a lot of people just really enjoy distrust, especially when it allows them to believe that people almost universally agreed to be smarter than they are are wrong and they are uniquely right.

On May 15 2015 22:01 KwarK wrote:
And when they veer off is when they think "I don't get how this works" is a sufficient reason to disagree with the doctor telling them that they need it. It's not. They think they're qualified to have opinions with nothing backing them up, which is fine until they turn those opinions into public health issues.

On May 15 2015 22:05 Ghostcom wrote:


Uhh, that would be the entire foundation of the Helsinki declaration - patients have a right to govern their own bodies (and in the case of legal guardians their kids bodies.)

On May 15 2015 22:09 farvacola wrote:

The Helsinki Declaration does not, however, get into a discussion as to the possibility that governments have an interest in protecting children from the stupidity of their legal guardians. Furthermore, since 2000, the DoH is less and less relevant.

Edit: and yeah, what puerk said.

On May 15 2015 22:27 Ghostcom wrote:


Yeah because the declaration being specifically concerned with research means that the underlying principles are totally only reserved for when it comes to research...