EPTTeaching Marx in college used to be pretty common, but it's been dropped over the years because people realized it is an intellectual dead end. Jonny talk has not. It is as useful as ever.
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
Teaching Marx in college used to be pretty common, but it's been dropped over the years because people realized it is an intellectual dead end. Jonny talk has not. It is as useful as ever. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24152 Posts
I can agree on that much at least. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
NEAR MIAMI – To a visitor's untrained eye, Florida's Everglades might look like they're in good shape. "They see all this water, they see all this grass, and to them it looks healthy," said Betty Osceola, who has long taught tourists about the Kahayatle – the Miccosukee tribe's name for the Everglades. "I always tell people that Florida is the next California," she adds. "California has a situation where they don’t have water. Florida has a situation, they have water, but eventually you’re not going to be able to drink [it] because it’s too polluted." For generations, the Miccosukee lived on tree islands they call hammocks, hunting and fishing in and around waters they know as well as anyone. "You’re seeing a decline in the turtles and other types of native fish because the chemical in the water is affecting the food they eat, so it’s a trickledown effect," Osceola said. "The Everglades is being used as a vast sewer system." There is a way the Everglades might be able to reverse years of neglect – a conservation project so big it was once compared to creating Yellowstone National Park. But that deal – and more of the Everglades – could die if the Florida Legislature doesn’t act this summer. Last month, President Obama visited the Everglades, highlighting the effects of climate change on the endangered area and the risks to the drinking water for millions of Floridians. Source | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 10 2015 06:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Teaching Marx in college used to be pretty common, but it's been dropped over the years because people realized it is an intellectual dead end. Jonny talk has not. It is as useful as ever. Lol. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2015 06:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Never stop posting haha. Teaching Marx in college used to be pretty common, but it's been dropped over the years because people realized it is an intellectual dead end. Jonny talk has not. It is as useful as ever. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2015 09:49 WhiteDog wrote: Jonny never read any economic book, and never read any marx. Just some textbook. No need to be vitriolic when previous posts + Show Spoiler + were lighthearted. Disagreement inspires educational belittlement. Don't take that too far, man! | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24152 Posts
In the eyes of an economist, my students were “misbehaving.” By that I mean that their behavior was inconsistent with the idealized model at the heart of much of economics. Rationally, no one should be happier about a score of 96 out of 137 (70 percent) than 72 out of 100, but my students were. And by realizing this, I was able to set the kind of exam I wanted but still keep the students from grumbling. This illustrates an important problem with traditional economic theory. Economists discount any factors that would not influence the thinking of a rational person. These things are supposedly irrelevant. But unfortunately for the theory, many supposedly irrelevant factors do matter. Economists create this problem with their insistence on studying mythical creatures often known as Homo economicus. I prefer to call them “Econs”— highly intelligent beings that are capable of making the most complex of calculations but are totally lacking in emotions. Think of Mr. Spock in “Star Trek.” In a world of Econs, many things would in fact be irrelevant. No Econ would buy a larger portion of whatever will be served for dinner on Tuesday because he happens to be hungry when shopping on Sunday. Your hunger on Sunday should be irrelevant in choosing the size of your meal for Tuesday. An Econ would not finish that huge meal on Tuesday, even though he is no longer hungry, just because he had paid for it. To an Econ, the price paid for an item in the past is not relevant in making the decision about how much of it to eat now. Source | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
that IS crazy talk. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 10 2015 09:49 WhiteDog wrote: Jonny never read any economic book, and never read any marx. Just some textbook. Yes, those horrible things they use in those white, cis, male, capitalistic, and patriarchal institutions known as universities. Truly the tools of oppression T.T On May 10 2015 11:57 Slaughter wrote: Pretty sure several disciplines in the social sciences still draw upon some of Marx's ideas. Though in Anthropology at least researchers seem to be moving away and onto newer perspectives a bit (but what do I know what those sociocultural anths do~ heh) They demonstrate that black lives matter of course. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
It's also exaggerated for a pop culture audience. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On May 10 2015 13:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Yes, those horrible things they use in those white, cis, male, capitalistic, and patriarchal institutions known as universities. Truly the tools of oppression T.T They demonstrate that black lives matter of course. They are the tools for teaching the basics. I didn't know they did that at the AAAs this year~ too bad I don't have much reason to go cause their section for biological anthropology is rather sparse. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
as long as an empirical observation is valid, it will be incorporated into the theory of a non-blind science eventually. and most of marx's empirical observations about how society works are pretty good. it's also more of a case of political economy vs neoclassical economics. the latter is not taught because it is 'useful'. actually to the contrary of manifested uselessness or narrowness. the special attitude of confident ignorance in the libertarian frame of mind is i think a special problem partially caused by the illusory perfection of the rational agent model of the human world. this worldview relies on a stock model of rational agency that is very much a self model, a little theatre we have as part of our native conceptual stock about reasoning and agency. the crystalline smoothness of the libertarian worldview and ersultant confident ignorance is partially a result of unwarranted reliance on this native model of rationality, which although easy to invoke, is still a model that shows the world in a particular but limiting way. in a couple decades, if all goes to plan, there will be a science of political ideology to reveal certain blindspots inherent in some of this stuff, including how emotions, critical to forming political judgments, are activated or suppressed given certain views of the world. the basic groundwork is already in place, all that is missing is a unifying theory. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 10 2015 13:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Yes, those horrible things they use in those white, cis, male, capitalistic, and patriarchal institutions known as universities. Truly the tools of oppression T.T They demonstrate that black lives matter of course. lol, if you'd read any economic book, you'd know textbook, while very useful, greatly simplify theories. They're the only kind of book that can push someone to believe an author like Marx is complete garbage. On May 10 2015 11:28 Danglars wrote: No need to be vitriolic when previous posts + Show Spoiler + were lighthearted. Disagreement inspires educational belittlement. Don't take that too far, man! Just stated a fact, I was not "vitriolic" nor was I "too far". | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
The article is pretty brilliant I thought. Well written, funny and still make sense. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 10 2015 22:57 coverpunch wrote: Marx is to economics and political science what Lamarck is to biology. He's an important figure but he's not studied for the validity and content of his ideas so much as the way he pushed those fields to thinking in new and different ways. Keynes and Darwin are who we study as the basis of modern thinking in terms of validity and content in theory. Spoken like someone who has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 10 2015 21:09 WhiteDog wrote: lol, if you'd read any economic book, you'd know textbook, while very useful, greatly simplify theories. They're the only kind of book that can push someone to believe an author like Marx is complete garbage. Yes, they simplify but they're also useful tools for learning. I'm reminded of our trade discussion in the EU thread. I scanned a page from a book that showed empirical data on contract manufacturing in China. You stuck to your simplistic ideas, no citations to be found. I don't think I said Marx was complete garbage, only that Marx is an intellectual dead end (true) and that the commie talk IgnE was pushing is crazy talk (also true). | ||
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