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On March 12 2013 15:15 Funnytoss wrote:
Besides, we have to use up all that taxpayer-subsidized corn *somewhere*. May as well drink up as much of it in the form of high fructose corn syrup, right? And when you suffer medical complications, you further help the economy with high medical bills, making more money for hospitals and insurance companies! Ain't it great?
I thought that's what ethanol was for? Oh well, better safe than sorry - drink dem big gulps!
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On March 12 2013 15:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:15 Funnytoss wrote:
Besides, we have to use up all that taxpayer-subsidized corn *somewhere*. May as well drink up as much of it in the form of high fructose corn syrup, right? And when you suffer medical complications, you further help the economy with high medical bills, making more money for hospitals and insurance companies! Ain't it great? I thought that's what ethanol was for? Oh well, better safe than sorry - drink dem big gulps!
the corn lobby has a good imagination
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
corn is nice. 
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nothing about monoculture is nice
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On March 12 2013 16:42 sam!zdat wrote:
nothing about monoculture is nice
Lol farmers don't grow just corn all the time bro. Iowa and south Minnesota is the land of seas of corn and soybeans.
soybeans are the plant of the future. They do everything and are so cheap. its a real pity they taste like shit so much but the agricultural industrial complex of evil and capitalism should change that in the next few decades.
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WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said.
Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare
Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened.........
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On March 13 2013 01:28 Sermokala wrote:
so cheap
no, they aren't, it's an illusion
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He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election.
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On March 11 2013 08:30 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 08:16 ziggurat wrote:On March 11 2013 08:10 aksfjh wrote:On March 11 2013 08:02 sam!zdat wrote:
i don't have any particularly strenuous moral objection to infanticide. probably shouldn't admit that in public though.
of course it would be easier and more ethical just to avoid the problem in the first place, through education and family planning. nobody WANTS abortions to occur I've always thought the moral stance on abortion being "ok" could be applied up until about 6 months after birth when a self-aware consciousness can be assumed. Like you, though, I don't fancy talking about that in public. It either hints that I think it's ok or that I'm trying to paint people as monsters. I'm assuming neither of you have kids. Or want them? If you ever become a parent your views on this will change. I know many parents that are pro-choice, and many whom are pro-life. How can this be?
I am a parent who is pro-choice. But I'm not pro-infanticide.
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On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election.
Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades.
As for the parents who are pro-choice thing, my mother had an abortion in between me and my brother. I don't blame her in any way. She said she was not ready and that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
having a child that the parent(s) do not want is just really sad and bad for the child. the infanticide (not serious btw) thing is not really a rights-of-the-mother issue for me as much as the best amongst bad outcomes.
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On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened.........
Yeah it's really a platform not a budget.
On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades.
I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house.
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On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house.
So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time.
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On March 13 2013 05:52 McBengt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house. So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time.
If it was completely rejected then they wouldn't control the house and Democrats could push whatever they wanted to. Clearly democracy is calling for a compromise.
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On March 13 2013 05:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:52 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house. So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time. If it was completely rejected then they wouldn't control the house and Democrats could push whatever they wanted to. Clearly democracy is calling for a compromise.
Democracy has been compromised by foul gerrymandering.  It's also a bit tougher when the Senate needs 60/100 votes to pass something. Democracy my butt. ^^
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On March 13 2013 05:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:52 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house. So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time. If it was completely rejected then they wouldn't control the house and Democrats could push whatever they wanted to. Clearly democracy is calling for a compromise.
And the Republicans are responding to that call for compromise by proposing balanced plans that have a high chance of receiving bipartisan support! I'm so glad our nation's government can be responsible and reasonable when we really need them to.
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On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house.
Pretty sure everybody is going to refer to it as a "budget" because that's what they do. Also, they won the House without the popular vote. Now they're doubling down on those positions because they squeezed out a majority through technicalities.
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On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened.........
Phew! Towards the end of the election and during the debates I thought Paul Ryan was a "compassionate conservative" that loves working-class Americans and would never cut Medicare. That's a relief.
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On March 13 2013 06:07 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 05:52 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house. So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time. If it was completely rejected then they wouldn't control the house and Democrats could push whatever they wanted to. Clearly democracy is calling for a compromise. Democracy has been compromised by foul gerrymandering. It's also a bit tougher when the Senate needs 60/100 votes to pass something. Democracy my butt. ^^
If it's not democracy than let's ignore Obama :p
On March 13 2013 06:12 TrickyGilligan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:56 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 05:52 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 05:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On March 13 2013 01:39 farvacola wrote:WASHINGTON -- House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) rolled out his latest budget proposal, offering an ambitious blueprint that promises to balance the budget in a decade by repealing President Barack Obama's health care reforms and slashing Medicare, Medicaid and programs to help the poor.
Ryan's previous budgets -- used by Democrats as weapons in the last campaign season -- did not strive for balance in any such near term, and even then many analysts predicted they would not work. Many deem a 10-year balancing plan as impossible to follow without wreaking havoc on the economic recovery.
Ryan was deaf to such objections, arguing that Congress has an obligation not just to achieve a sustainable debt -- which Democrats say they favor -- but to reduce it.
"This is not only a responsible, reasonable balanced plan. It's also an invitation. This is an invitation to the president of the United States, to the Senate Democrats, to come together to fix these problems," Ryan said in a Capitol Hill news conference Tuesday that laid out the $4.6 trillion in cuts he hopes to achieve in 10 years.
"We don't think it's fair to let critical programs like Medicare go bankrupt. We don't think that it's fair to take more from hard-working families to spend more in Washington," he said. "The most important question isn't how do we balance the budget, but why? A budget is a means to an end. An end is the well-being of the American people. An end is a growing economy that produces opportunity and upward mobility."
Even as his budget claims to repeal Obamacare, it pockets the savings achieved under the health care law and keeps the revenue raised by it. It also seeks to cut Medicare by an additional $129 billion over 10 years. It would cut Medicaid some $757 billion by converting the program into block grants for the states. Other programs -- among them food stamps -- would be cut by some $962 billion.
The budget plan includes no cuts in Social Security. Obama has suggested changing an inflation measurement to cut more than $100 billion from the program.
Democrats were quick to hammer the proposal, saying it was another attempt to balance the budget on the backs of the middle class and poor while not asking the wealthy to do more.
"It's deja vu all over again," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said even before Ryan spoke. "This budget reflects the same skewed priorities the Republican Party has championed for years, the same skewed priorities Americans rejected in November."
Indeed, MItt Romney ran for president largely on a budget plan that resembled that of his running mate, Ryan, and lost decisively. Democrats also picked up seats in the House and Senate running against the philosophy of the Ryan budget.
Ryan argued that the election's outcome didn't matter.
"The election didn't go our way. Believe me, I know what that feels like," he said. "That means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing what we believe in? Look, whether the country intended it or not, we have divided government. We have the second largest House majority we've had since World War II. And what we believe in this divided government era, we need to put up our vision."
He also suggested maybe voters did agree with the GOP.
"Are a lot of these solutions very popular, and did we win these arguments in the campaign? Some of us think so," Ryan said. Paul Ryan Budget: House GOP Unveils Blueprint To Slash Medicaid, Medicare And Repeal Obamacare Seriously lol, it is as though the election never happened......... Yeah it's really a platform not a budget. On March 13 2013 04:23 McBengt wrote:On March 13 2013 01:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
He lives in an imaginary world where math does what he wants and where he won the election. Seems like a new platform for the next generation of GOP leaders, if democracy doesn't do what you want it to, just ignore it. Given the demographic trends in the US, I'm sure it will see frequent use in the coming decades. I'm not sure what you mean. GOP controls the house. So they do, it's more the arrogance of trying to push through their own economic vision when it was just handily rejected by the electorate. As if they didn't get the "No." the first time. If it was completely rejected then they wouldn't control the house and Democrats could push whatever they wanted to. Clearly democracy is calling for a compromise. And the Republicans are responding to that call for compromise by proposing balanced plans that have a high chance of receiving bipartisan support! I'm so glad our nation's government can be responsible and reasonable when we really need them to.
Pushing a budget that has zero change of passing is pointless like I already said. Whether or not a plan should be "balanced" is up for debate though.
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Starting to think Palin and Ryan were democratic plants. They have succeeded in uniting the democratic party perhaps equally as well as Obama has. Cannot believe Ryan is still going after the ACA
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