US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1561

On January 05 2015 13:17 IgnE wrote:


This only came up because of some foolish talk about the "reasons" behind conservatives opposing ACA. They oppose ACA because they oppose universal healthcare, not because it lines the insurance industry's pockets.

On January 05 2015 14:04 Wolfstan wrote:


That's why I oppose the aca, I feel it picks winners in the insurance industry and enforces rent seeking middle men. I can hardly be called a republican though.

On January 04 2015 17:26 tadL wrote:


This list is trolling.

Not sure if you read the list ever? Outside of mass murdering the people that once owned the land and fighting around it there is not much left. And we are still proud of you wining with guns against stone. And just because USA call a war won its not won. They call the Iraq War won...ehm nope still a warzone. just one example. And just having tons of help makes you not a winner. It makes you a participant.

But that was not my main point, I see not much trust of the natives to a power like a government. their seem to be a big scare and lack of trust from an outside perspective. so how should a dictatorship work there if right now people are not willing to give up power to the government they voted for? Ruling with terror just works for some time.

But that's just my outside perspective. I cant understand USA so I will not pretend to do.

On January 05 2015 11:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:To be fair, Bush the Senior was a damn fine president

my brother broke his arm around arizona - phoenix, actually he was smoking while driving and he says his phone rang, for a moment he took his eyes away from the road and turns his eyes to the seat next to him to see whos calling. and booooom, another fucking drunk driver hit his arm, destroying elbow.

that day i hated h.care system or whatever you name it. they take us to emergency, then they say go there and take these reports, go there, come here... and whole thing, operation included costs us 13.000 which is crazy !

they even want 2k for some fucking injections. from the point that i look obamas care, he could benefit from my fathers plan and that would around 5.000 max i guess.

and i hear some stories, they say germany, united kingdom, france and even turkey, and israel, and many eu countries have free healthcare if you are a student or working whether with state or not, and many operations, normal checkups, daily visits, dental things whatever, hey doc my back is hurt things are completely free along with the pills or injections or they cost you very small for the pills.

On January 05 2015 19:58 Doublemint wrote:


it is not "free"... there is no such things as a "free lunch..."

it is paid for by society with taxes. solidarity is the key word here. rich folks pay more and less fortunate/"poorer" ones less according to their economic output/what burden they can bear.

is it perfect? hell no.

but I would not want to change it for something you had in the states. as some already said, single payer is the way to go.

there is more than a price tag and profit margins to health services.

On January 05 2015 19:58 Doublemint wrote:


it is not "free"... there is no such things as a "free lunch..."

it is paid for by society with taxes. solidarity is the key word here. rich folks pay more and less fortunate/"poorer" ones less according to their economic output/what burden they can bear.

is it perfect? hell no.

but I would not want to change it for something you had in the states. as some already said, single payer is the way to go.

there is more than a price tag and profit margins to health services.

On January 05 2015 14:18 IgnE wrote:


But you are pro single-payer right

On January 05 2015 23:39 heliusx wrote:
That's a good one. Completely obliterating a countries armed forces, police, and goverment, then installing your own puppet doesn't qualify as winning a war? I guess next time we better crush the civies and their infrastructure too to appease the euros. No really were excellent at war, stop hating.

On January 06 2015 00:54 Nyxisto wrote:


The US hasn't really won a war since WW II. Vietnam was a disaster,Cuba, and Afghanistan and Iraq aren't really won but at best a Pyrrhic victory. The puppet governments have pretty much no control over their country, there is no progress, and we'll see how long the US backed governments hold on now that the US troops are gone.

On January 06 2015 01:12 Velr wrote:
Heliusx.. Its simple:

Did you achieve your Wargoal? Yes/No.
No you didn't. So was the war succesfull/won? Nope.

No one is arguing the potency of the US army when it comes to actual combat... But the success of its Wars isn't measured by how many 2nd World countries it can bomb back into the 3d World, at least not if that wasn't your declared goal.

On January 06 2015 01:06 heliusx wrote:

Yeah I guess we haven't won any wars if you change the meaning of "winning a war" from destroying your enemy into nation building. The united states armed forces are the most potent military to ever walk this earth. Get used to it. If the us government decided every man woman and child in Iraq was to be killed, it would happen.
Yeah we suck at making nations. What we don't suck at is tearing them down.

On January 06 2015 01:20 heliusx wrote:


The goal was to remove the WMD that didn't exist. So I guess by your definiton of winning a war we won? Mission accomplished! Gosh you're debating if a war was won and you don't even know the mission.

On January 06 2015 01:44 Paljas wrote:
The goal of every war is to destroy the enemy, building a stable nation is not a war mission and can never achieved via actions of war, but only with humanitarian missions. Claiming otherwise is a needless romanticization of war.