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On December 31 2014 08:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The NYPD ladies and gentleman: Show nested quote +On the day two NYPD officers were fatally shot, a widely circulated memo purporting to be from the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association told officers that "Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary." The group denied that it issued the memo, though its president, Pat Lynch, used language similar to what was in the document when he said there's "blood on the hands" of Mayor de Blasio. Regardless of who wrote the memo, it appears officers took the message to heart. The New York Post reports that NYPD officers are engaged in a "virtual work stoppage," citing statistics that show arrests in the city are down 66 percent for the week starting December 22, compared to the same period last year. The paper reports that NYPD officers are making arrests only "when they have to," leading to a massive drop in their response to low-level crimes: - Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame.
- Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent — from 4,831 to 300.
- Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241.
- Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau — which are part of the overall number — dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.
There's been no official confirmation that officers have purposely stopped making arrests, but one source told the Post it isn't just a political statement. "The call last week from the PBA is what started it, but this has been simmering for a long time," said one source. "This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake. Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them." SourceSo said protest could very easily show how over funded and aggressive the NYPD really are.
Put a $200-$300 number to every violation/fine. Or whatever. $50.
9500 traffic - 4500 summons - 13500 parking = 27,500 opportunities for revenue collection. That is a hell of a lot of money per week.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/violation_codes.shtml
And you can't go out next week and make that back up. That is gone. Somebody's budget is going to be blown if that goes on for over a month.
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I am kind of curious, as a horse farmer do you mostly sell horses for racing or whats the deal?
My horse farmer friend has a track they've got so people can pay to go on a horse riding trail, thats their main method of making money with their horse farm.
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On December 31 2014 12:21 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +I am kind of curious, as a horse farmer do you mostly sell horses for racing or whats the deal?
My horse farmer friend has a track they've got so people can pay to go on a horse riding trail, thats their main method of making money with their horse farm.
It's the same way here. Most stables have horses and courses for people's entertainment. They also breed and train some animals.
There are some that only deal with breeding/racing but that isn't common as I understand it.
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For this open enrollment period, 87% of 2015 ObamaCare plans are subsidized so far.
There's going to be a lot of people eating the $325 penalty.
If you don’t have coverage in 2015, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts:
•2% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.
•$325 per person for the year ($162.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $975.
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On December 31 2014 21:30 Velr wrote:
Um... horsemeat?
horsemeat is very tasty but I think not very common in the US. It's not even common anymore in germany.
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A horse is a pet/companion. That would be like eating a dog.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
there's no animal i won't eat if cooked properly.
okay maybe not monkeys and babies.
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But definitely grasshoppers and mealworms.
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There was actually a huge scandal in the Netherlands over horsemeat. In the supermarket a lot of meat contained horse meat as well without it being on the package. As a result of mob mentality they destroyed a load of perfectly fine meat :[
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I love that this thread has been derailed into a discussion of eating babies and horses. What are we, the Dothraki?
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A funny thing happened in New York City last week: Cops stopped arresting people. Not altogether, of course—that would be anarchy. But since last Monday, the number of arrests in America's largest city plummeted by two-thirds compared to the previous year. The decline is a conscious slowdown by New York's police force to protest City Hall's perceived lack of support for law enforcement.
NYPD officers and union leaders have been at odds with Mayor Bill de Blasio in the wake of the Eric Garner case and the killings of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos this month. In their latest move, officers have begun a "virtual work stoppage" throughout the city by making fewer low-level arrests and issuing fewer citations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report.
Although safety is cited as the reason for the police union's move, political considerations are central. "This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake," a police source told the Post. "Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them." The NYPD slowdown also comes amid protracted contract negotiations between police unions and the mayor's office.
The Post, which enthusiastically championed the NYPD during this year's turmoil, portrayed this slowdown in near-apocalyptic terms—an early headline for the article above even read "Crime wave engulfs New York following execution of cops." But the police union's phrasing—officers shouldn't make arrests "unless absolutely necessary"—begs the question: How many unnecessary arrests was the NYPD making before now?
Policing quality doesn't necessarily increase with policing quantity, as New York's experience with stop-and-frisk demonstrated. Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg asserted that the controversial tactic of warrantless street searches "keeps New York City safe." De Blasio ended the program soon after succeeding him, citing its discriminatory impact on black and Hispanic residents. Stop-and-frisk incidents plunged from 685,724 stops in 2011 to just 38,456 in the first three-quarters of 2014 as a result. If stop-and-frisk had caused the ongoing decline in New York's crime rate, its near-absence would logically halt or even reverse that trend. But the city seems to be doing just fine without it: Crime rates are currently at two-decade lows, with homicide down 7 percent and robberies down 14 percent since 2013.
The slowdown also challenges the fundamental tenets of broken-windows policing, a controversial strategy championed by NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton. According to the theory, which first came to prominence in a 1982 article in The Atlantic, "quality-of-life" crimes like vandalism and vagrancy help normalize criminal behavior in neighborhoods and precede more violent offenses. Tackling these low-level offenses therefore helps prevent future ones. The theory's critics dispute its effectiveness and contend that broken-windows policing simply criminalizes the young, the poor, and the homeless.
Public drinking and urination may be unseemly, but they're hardly threats to life, liberty, or public order. (The Post also noted a decline in drug arrests, but their comparison of 2013 and 2014 rates is misleading. The mayor's office announced in November that police would stop making arrests for low-level marijuana possession and issue tickets instead. Even before the slowdown began, marijuana-related arrests had declined by 61 percent.) If the NYPD can safely cut arrests by two-thirds, why haven't they done it before?
The human implications of this question are immense. Fewer arrests for minor crimes logically means fewer people behind bars for minor crimes. Poorer would-be defendants benefit the most; three-quarters of those sitting in New York jails are only there because they can't afford bail. Fewer New Yorkers will also be sent to Rikers Island, where endemic brutality against inmates has led to resignations, arrests, and an imminent federal civil-rights intervention over the past six months. A brush with the American criminal-justice system can be toxic for someone's socioeconomic and physical health.
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On January 01 2015 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A funny thing happened in New York City last week: Cops stopped arresting people. Not altogether, of course—that would be anarchy. But since last Monday, the number of arrests in America's largest city plummeted by two-thirds compared to the previous year. The decline is a conscious slowdown by New York's police force to protest City Hall's perceived lack of support for law enforcement.
NYPD officers and union leaders have been at odds with Mayor Bill de Blasio in the wake of the Eric Garner case and the killings of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos this month. In their latest move, officers have begun a "virtual work stoppage" throughout the city by making fewer low-level arrests and issuing fewer citations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report. Show nested quote +Although safety is cited as the reason for the police union's move, political considerations are central. "This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake," a police source told the Post. "Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them." The NYPD slowdown also comes amid protracted contract negotiations between police unions and the mayor's office.
The Post, which enthusiastically championed the NYPD during this year's turmoil, portrayed this slowdown in near-apocalyptic terms—an early headline for the article above even read "Crime wave engulfs New York following execution of cops." But the police union's phrasing—officers shouldn't make arrests "unless absolutely necessary"—begs the question: How many unnecessary arrests was the NYPD making before now?
Policing quality doesn't necessarily increase with policing quantity, as New York's experience with stop-and-frisk demonstrated. Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg asserted that the controversial tactic of warrantless street searches "keeps New York City safe." De Blasio ended the program soon after succeeding him, citing its discriminatory impact on black and Hispanic residents. Stop-and-frisk incidents plunged from 685,724 stops in 2011 to just 38,456 in the first three-quarters of 2014 as a result. If stop-and-frisk had caused the ongoing decline in New York's crime rate, its near-absence would logically halt or even reverse that trend. But the city seems to be doing just fine without it: Crime rates are currently at two-decade lows, with homicide down 7 percent and robberies down 14 percent since 2013.
The slowdown also challenges the fundamental tenets of broken-windows policing, a controversial strategy championed by NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton. According to the theory, which first came to prominence in a 1982 article in The Atlantic, "quality-of-life" crimes like vandalism and vagrancy help normalize criminal behavior in neighborhoods and precede more violent offenses. Tackling these low-level offenses therefore helps prevent future ones. The theory's critics dispute its effectiveness and contend that broken-windows policing simply criminalizes the young, the poor, and the homeless.
Public drinking and urination may be unseemly, but they're hardly threats to life, liberty, or public order. (The Post also noted a decline in drug arrests, but their comparison of 2013 and 2014 rates is misleading. The mayor's office announced in November that police would stop making arrests for low-level marijuana possession and issue tickets instead. Even before the slowdown began, marijuana-related arrests had declined by 61 percent.) If the NYPD can safely cut arrests by two-thirds, why haven't they done it before?
The human implications of this question are immense. Fewer arrests for minor crimes logically means fewer people behind bars for minor crimes. Poorer would-be defendants benefit the most; three-quarters of those sitting in New York jails are only there because they can't afford bail. Fewer New Yorkers will also be sent to Rikers Island, where endemic brutality against inmates has led to resignations, arrests, and an imminent federal civil-rights intervention over the past six months. A brush with the American criminal-justice system can be toxic for someone's socioeconomic and physical health. Source
It may be a bit premature to suggest that police can "safely" cut arrests by 2/3 just because NYC hasn't gone back to 1978 after a single week of the NYPD cutting arrests by 2/3.
There are no implications of a question regarding a situation that has existed a week. Much less "immense" implications. People sure do say some very silly things.
More cops were killed in NYC in a one-week period, one week ago, than were killed in 3 previous years' worth of one-week periods. One might ask the author, are there any "immense" implications from that, that support large changes in politics and law? The author clearly thinks this one week of NYPD slowdown supports particular big changes... how about two cops being assassinated? Any implications from that?
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On January 01 2015 06:19 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A funny thing happened in New York City last week: Cops stopped arresting people. Not altogether, of course—that would be anarchy. But since last Monday, the number of arrests in America's largest city plummeted by two-thirds compared to the previous year. The decline is a conscious slowdown by New York's police force to protest City Hall's perceived lack of support for law enforcement.
NYPD officers and union leaders have been at odds with Mayor Bill de Blasio in the wake of the Eric Garner case and the killings of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos this month. In their latest move, officers have begun a "virtual work stoppage" throughout the city by making fewer low-level arrests and issuing fewer citations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report. Although safety is cited as the reason for the police union's move, political considerations are central. "This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake," a police source told the Post. "Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them." The NYPD slowdown also comes amid protracted contract negotiations between police unions and the mayor's office.
The Post, which enthusiastically championed the NYPD during this year's turmoil, portrayed this slowdown in near-apocalyptic terms—an early headline for the article above even read "Crime wave engulfs New York following execution of cops." But the police union's phrasing—officers shouldn't make arrests "unless absolutely necessary"—begs the question: How many unnecessary arrests was the NYPD making before now?
Policing quality doesn't necessarily increase with policing quantity, as New York's experience with stop-and-frisk demonstrated. Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg asserted that the controversial tactic of warrantless street searches "keeps New York City safe." De Blasio ended the program soon after succeeding him, citing its discriminatory impact on black and Hispanic residents. Stop-and-frisk incidents plunged from 685,724 stops in 2011 to just 38,456 in the first three-quarters of 2014 as a result. If stop-and-frisk had caused the ongoing decline in New York's crime rate, its near-absence would logically halt or even reverse that trend. But the city seems to be doing just fine without it: Crime rates are currently at two-decade lows, with homicide down 7 percent and robberies down 14 percent since 2013.
The slowdown also challenges the fundamental tenets of broken-windows policing, a controversial strategy championed by NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton. According to the theory, which first came to prominence in a 1982 article in The Atlantic, "quality-of-life" crimes like vandalism and vagrancy help normalize criminal behavior in neighborhoods and precede more violent offenses. Tackling these low-level offenses therefore helps prevent future ones. The theory's critics dispute its effectiveness and contend that broken-windows policing simply criminalizes the young, the poor, and the homeless.
Public drinking and urination may be unseemly, but they're hardly threats to life, liberty, or public order. (The Post also noted a decline in drug arrests, but their comparison of 2013 and 2014 rates is misleading. The mayor's office announced in November that police would stop making arrests for low-level marijuana possession and issue tickets instead. Even before the slowdown began, marijuana-related arrests had declined by 61 percent.) If the NYPD can safely cut arrests by two-thirds, why haven't they done it before?
The human implications of this question are immense. Fewer arrests for minor crimes logically means fewer people behind bars for minor crimes. Poorer would-be defendants benefit the most; three-quarters of those sitting in New York jails are only there because they can't afford bail. Fewer New Yorkers will also be sent to Rikers Island, where endemic brutality against inmates has led to resignations, arrests, and an imminent federal civil-rights intervention over the past six months. A brush with the American criminal-justice system can be toxic for someone's socioeconomic and physical health. Source It may be a bit premature to suggest that police can "safely" cut arrests by 2/3 just because NYC hasn't gone back to 1978 after a single week of the NYPD cutting arrests by 2/3. There are no implications of a question regarding a situation that has existed a week. Much less "immense" implications. People sure do say some very silly things. More cops were killed in NYC in a one-week period, one week ago, than were killed in 3 previous years' worth of one-week periods. One might ask the author, are there any "immense" implications from that, that support large changes in politics and law? The author clearly thinks this one week of NYPD slowdown supports particular big changes... how about two cops being assassinated? Any implications from that?
Cops and other people get killed, pretty often the threat of death comes from mentally unstable people. A whole lot of nothing is being done about that by the police and politicians, as such, not really any significant changes, other than the one that is a direct result of the assassination which was the slowdown.
What implications do you think are missing?
The article also mentions months of stop and frisk being dramatically reduced and yet there was no explosion of homicides either. Maybe because stopping and frisking practically every black man in NYC isn't actually good policing.
Maybe with all this new free time the NYPD could find some of the hundreds of missing sex offenders, investigate some of the thousands of unsolved murders, or I don't know actually focus on some police work, beyond acting like street bouncers. Clearly they should have more available resources than they have had in a long time.
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On December 31 2014 12:21 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +I am kind of curious, as a horse farmer do you mostly sell horses for racing or whats the deal?
My horse farmer friend has a track they've got so people can pay to go on a horse riding trail, thats their main method of making money with their horse farm.
How can you make money like that and pay property taxes and stuff?
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On December 31 2014 23:49 heliusx wrote:
A horse is a pet/companion. That would be like eating a dog.
Chinese eat 8 millions of them every year, only.
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Norway28894 Posts
chinese eating 8 million yearly basically means that it's really uncommon even there..
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On January 02 2015 05:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
chinese eating 8 million yearly basically means that it's really uncommon even there..
dogs might disagree with that statement... :p
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
there's some vocal campaigning against dog meat even in china.
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On January 02 2015 04:36 lastpuritan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 23:49 heliusx wrote:
A horse is a pet/companion. That would be like eating a dog. Chinese eat 8 millions of them every year, only.
To put this in perspective, the US beef industry kills about 30 million cows per year. It exports something like 8% as a very rough guess, since it measures lbs of beef rather than animals killed.
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