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On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that.
You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad.
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On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad.
So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever?
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On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever?
so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect.
I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit.
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On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit.
lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head!
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On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head!
So you agree with my point? fine why not just say that instead of having a pointless argument.
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On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit.
I deleted this post once already (I'm trying to ease up on the pre-emptive snark) but then Jonny posted exactly what I predicted he would.
Your problem is that you don't understand what you're talking to. It's a libertarian, it won't understand. In a libertarian world people can freely move between locations and jobs because fuck it, free market magic. What you're saying goes against every tenet of the libertarian mindset of 'if it's broke, don't fix it, just fuck yourself over by going somewhere else'.
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Sort of fits the persona/caricature of "I am America and so can you!". :D
Uprooting the kids and constantly moving isn't really in the cards, as much as the situation sucks. Surely though, we can't be the only area in the country dealing with budget cuts to public schools? Seems to be the permeating mentality of the country to be selfish and not want to pay for someone else on social programs, so I doubt there's anywhere to hide from it.
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On September 19 2014 04:46 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head! So you agree with my point? fine why not just say that instead of having a pointless argument.
Eh? You didn't just say that it's hard, you attacked me for 'making it sound easy' and so I defended myself. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make that point anyways - it's extremely obvious.
On September 19 2014 04:49 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. I deleted this post once already (I'm trying to ease up on the pre-emptive snark) but then Jonny posted exactly what I predicted he would. Your problem is that you don't understand what you're talking to. It's a libertarian, it won't understand. In a libertarian world people can freely move between locations and jobs because fuck it, free market magic. What you're saying goes against every tenet of the libertarian mindset of 'if it's broke, don't fix it, just fuck yourself over by going somewhere else'.
lol, what?
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On September 19 2014 04:59 screamingpalm wrote:
Sort of fits the persona/caricature of "I am America and so can you!". :D
Uprooting the kids and constantly moving isn't really in the cards, as much as the situation sucks. Surely though, we can't be the only area in the country dealing with budget cuts to public schools? Seems to be the permeating mentality of the country to be selfish and not want to pay for someone else on social programs, so I doubt there's anywhere to hide from it.
For the country as a whole social programs (education, pensions, healthcare, welfare) have been on the rise for decades. That hasn't stopped recently either.
Yes, budget cuts happen all over the place all the time (as do budget increases), but you made it sound as if your school is in a pretty crummy situation.
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On September 19 2014 00:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 18:17 KwarK wrote:
I doubt anyone is more disappointed in Obama than the left. I might agree for the simple reason that they have to account for having voted for him, twice. The ones with terrific hindsight have to reflect on how much of this could've been predicted before his first election and from his first term of office.
Voting for a Democrat isn't a mistake when you consider the Republican party, it's just a terrible let down when you hope for a genuinely left wing government and what you get is erosion of due process, foreign adventurism and exceptionalism, more crony capitalism and no Federal level progress on civil rights.
Obama has basically been a continuation of Bush. The only reason the right have to be disappointed by him are those who had a twisted desire to see him turn out to be the Anti-Christ heralding in the end times. Or those on the Libertarian fringe I guess.
Edit: When I think left wing I think of the British Left in recent years who have been strongly against foreign adventurism in violation of international law (basically no Iraq invasion), strongly in favour of individual liberties and equality (against discrimination, for gay marriage etc), for individual rights (against sweeping anti-Terror laws that allow people to be held without charge etc), for state funded social mobility mechanisms to be strengthened (increasing funding to housing, healthcare and education programs that help people who, through no fault of their own, lack opportunity without trying to make everyone equal), pro international co-operation (pro EU in our case), for drug decriminalisation varying from drug to drug etc etc.
When I think of the Left I think of a group that protects the rights of the individual (the right to property exempted from taxation being notably excluded here) and proactively attempts to give opportunities to better yourself within a capitalist society to those who, through no fault of their own, are denied it. Obviously every party makes political compromises in order to get elected but by that definition nothing Obama has done could be classified as on the Left.
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On September 19 2014 05:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:46 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head! So you agree with my point? fine why not just say that instead of having a pointless argument. Eh? You didn't just say that it's hard, you attacked me for 'making it sound easy' and so I defended myself. I'm not sure why you felt the need to make that point anyways - it's extremely obvious. Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:49 Jormundr wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. I deleted this post once already (I'm trying to ease up on the pre-emptive snark) but then Jonny posted exactly what I predicted he would. Your problem is that you don't understand what you're talking to. It's a libertarian, it won't understand. In a libertarian world people can freely move between locations and jobs because fuck it, free market magic. What you're saying goes against every tenet of the libertarian mindset of 'if it's broke, don't fix it, just fuck yourself over by going somewhere else'. lol, what?
You basically glossed over the reality that moving isn't actually very practical for most families. The average person has about as much chance of leading the PTA to protest the practices and getting the decision makers to change their minds (which just means cutting somewhere else, who didn't rally the PTA to their aid) as they do at being able to uproot their family and find a better situation. Hard to say which would actually take more time and effort.
There's a reason you get called out on practically all of your typical one-liners, and a reason your response is always the same 'that's not what I said' type crap. Then we all just sigh after someone foolishly entertains your pedantic circle jerk, where your indignation is revealed as actually agreeing with the premise and just saying that it's implicit agreement was 'obviously' there to start with... But usually with something snarky or a 'lol, what?' to further antagonize the issue.
Like usual, your one-liner "I would move" is purposefully inflammatory. You know someone is going to say it's not that easy, and you already plan on saying something like "Duh, I know he cant 'just move' like my original post insinuated". So you say "You know take a year or two" as if that's enough time to make all the necessary arrangements, or does anything to address the issue for those years.
All seemingly in attempt to move the discussion away from the original topic to some random tangent like "you want to stay there forever". Which sets up a false dicotomy between whatever you have re-figured your original post to mean and whatever BS counterpart you create (in this case "hang around forever".)
Based on prior discussions you have never bought a house, had a family, dealt with a school as a parent, or basically done any of the things you are saying 'you would'. I think we are all pretty sick of it. Stick to quality posts and dump the one-liner troll posts.
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When those who have the means and motivation to ditch underperforming areas do so then what you are left with is ghettos of kids whose parents are too busy, too poor or simply don't give a shit. No good teacher wants to teach in those schools so they leave too and after a decade you have an area where kids are born fucked. Couple that with school funding coming from property taxes and you've got the parents who don't give a shit sending their kids to teacher who don't give a shit in a district which can't afford to give a shit while politicians talk about bootstraps and school being some miracle cure.
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On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head!
This is the embodiment of the sheltered conservative mind.
You can't just choose to move. First off, you have to find a job in the new place so that you can support yourself. Second, you actually have to afford to be able to move your life there. Third, your whole family, friend, and support network may be where you live currently.
There are a huge amount of variables in being able to move. Just saying, "Why don't you move?" is incredibly ignorant and demonstrates how out-of-touch you are with many (probably most) people in American society.
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On September 18 2014 17:28 Liquid`Drone wrote:
While that's true, there's to some degree a separation between US and Europe where in Europe, money is not the sole determiner of social status. .
There is some truth to this (as a comparative to Europe, and particularly Scandanavia), but it is only partially true as the US goes. Yes, high-paying jobs tend to also carry high status. But there are also a fair few lower-paying jobs that carry status of one kind or another. Academics, clergy, and military officers for instance have a much higher status than their pay would suggest. A very interesting post, btw.
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On September 19 2014 06:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head! This is the embodiment of the sheltered conservative mind. You can't just choose to move. First off, you have to find a job in the new place so that you can support yourself. Second, you actually have to afford to be able to move your life there. Third, your whole family, friend, and support network may be where you live currently. There are a huge amount of variables in being able to move. Just saying, "Why don't you move?" is incredibly ignorant and demonstrates how out-of-touch you are with many (probably most) people in American society.
I've moved 3 times in the past decade so I know it's not as easy as going to the fridge. Yet if I had kids being taught in a trailer that was getting budget cuts ... I'd fucking move.
Yeah, that doesn't work for everyone. But so what? No where in any of my posts did I say "everyone can do this so if you don't you're a bad parent" or anything like that. All I did was express my opinion / give a suggestion. If you kids can't handle that, you shouldn't be on a discussion thread.
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On September 19 2014 05:25 KwarK wrote:
Obama has basically been a continuation of Bush. The only reason the right have to be disappointed by him are those who had a twisted desire to see him turn out to be the Anti-Christ heralding in the end times. Or those on the Libertarian fringe I guess.
No real disagreement on Obama basically being Bush, but to be fair the right isn't exactly lining up to get Dubya's autograph/blessing.
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On September 19 2014 06:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 06:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head! This is the embodiment of the sheltered conservative mind. You can't just choose to move. First off, you have to find a job in the new place so that you can support yourself. Second, you actually have to afford to be able to move your life there. Third, your whole family, friend, and support network may be where you live currently. There are a huge amount of variables in being able to move. Just saying, "Why don't you move?" is incredibly ignorant and demonstrates how out-of-touch you are with many (probably most) people in American society. I've moved 3 times in the past decade so I know it's not as easy as going to the fridge. Yet if I had kids being taught in a trailer that was getting budget cuts ... I'd fucking move. Yeah, that doesn't work for everyone. But so what? No where in any of my posts did I say "everyone can do this so if you don't you're a bad parent" or anything like that. All I did was express my opinion / give a suggestion. If you kids can't handle that, you shouldn't be on a discussion thread.
The issue with your posts (and much of your ideology) comes down to privilege. You assume everyone has the same options and opportunities that life gave you and then you act like everyone else is too apathetic or stupid to resolve their problems the way you would while not acknowledging how lucky you are. This allows you to treat the status quo that benefits you as a just and sustainable solution while blaming the victims of it. In its simplest terms it comes down to "why don't the poor just buy more money?".
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On September 19 2014 06:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 06:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 06:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 19 2014 04:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:33 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 04:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 19 2014 04:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 19 2014 03:03 screamingpalm wrote:On September 19 2014 02:50 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Could you explain that test a bit more? They're often used to identify and correct learning gaps. This could be new spending to help students rather than separate the already doing good from the rest as you are suggesting. From what I understand, it has to do with budget cuts- and also to separate and identify exceptionally gifted (kindergarten at least) students I believe (from what I saw of the examples of the testing). They now have both half-day and full-day classes (it was previously all full-day), and part of this is to assess who to assign for each. We wanted our son to go full-day as he was premature and we feel he is a bit behind the curve, but they said that they felt he wasn't ready yet. I have a much more pessimistic view than you do considering what I've seen from my older kids' and the effects of budget cuts for them already. Large class sizes, classrooms in trailers, shortened school year and program cut-backs etc. If I were you I'd move. Not every community is like that. You make it sound so easy. There are a lot of factors stopping people from moving whenever they encounter something bad. So what? If your community thinks that trailers are too expensive as classrooms and want more budget cuts.. you really want to hang around there forever? so what? what do you think, he can just find a new job somewhere else at any moment, and potentially one for his wife aswell? find a house he can afford, sell his old house ect ect ect. I say again, "just move" is utter bullshit. lol, who says you have to move in a day? Move for the next school year or the one after that. Use your head! This is the embodiment of the sheltered conservative mind. You can't just choose to move. First off, you have to find a job in the new place so that you can support yourself. Second, you actually have to afford to be able to move your life there. Third, your whole family, friend, and support network may be where you live currently. There are a huge amount of variables in being able to move. Just saying, "Why don't you move?" is incredibly ignorant and demonstrates how out-of-touch you are with many (probably most) people in American society. I've moved 3 times in the past decade so I know it's not as easy as going to the fridge. Yet if I had kids being taught in a trailer that was getting budget cuts ... I'd fucking move. Yeah, that doesn't work for everyone. But so what? No where in any of my posts did I say "everyone can do this so if you don't you're a bad parent" or anything like that. All I did was express my opinion / give a suggestion. If you kids can't handle that, you shouldn't be on a discussion thread. The issue with your posts (and much of your ideology) comes down to privilege. You assume everyone has the same options and opportunities that life gave you and then you act like everyone else is too apathetic or stupid to resolve their problems the way you would while not acknowledging how lucky you are. This allows you to treat the status quo that benefits you as a just and sustainable solution while blaming the victims of it. In its simplest terms it comes down to "why don't the poor just buy more money?".
That's not my intent so could you point to me doing that please? From my perspective a lot of people are inferring what I 'really' mean based on what they (erroneously) think my ideology is.
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Did those moves include moving to where your business school was and then moving away from it when you finished?
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