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On May 21 2014 02:56 Roswell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 01:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 00:37 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 00:28 Gorsameth wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Keep pretending the rest of the world does not exist. Im sure that will solve all your problems. $500, is now $600. The hauling company is now going to charge 1.2 times more for this retailer, I'm sure this store or company, will gladly sacrifice this loss of money and sell the product what it did cost before the tax, (because global warming and the fight for the future.) But why argue when you can just name call people? I'll keep playing that game... So I take it you think "Imagine" is a better song than "A Day In The Life?" Cause it doesn't sound like a privileged middle school girl finding out that people in third world countries suffer and by damnit shes gonna say something. Why argue if you dont actually debate? Lol really man, you should probably just stop. Besides whats already been pointed out by others this is another instance of you not doing the math.... I guess we can ignore that you raised fuel prices by 20% and what has been suggested so far is an increase of fuel cost of ~5-10% max But you can keep playing if you want? What product is on your imaginary truck who's fuel cost has gone up? Raising diesel prices will increase almost all prices for goods, do you really not see that?
How about answering my previous questions? Do you even maths bro? You do realize that raising prices isn't the only way to deal with increased costs anyway right?
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The wife of political blogger Clayton Kelly said that her husband had been ordered to quickly take down a video clip against Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) featuring Cochran's wife by primary challenger state Sen. Chris McDaniel (R-MS).
Those comments come as Kelly remains in jail after being arrested for "exploitation of a vulnerable adult" after breaking into the the nursing home of Cochran's wife, Rose, to photograph her for an anti-Cochran video. Kelly supports Cochran's primary challenger, state Sen. Chris McDaniel (R-MS). The McDaniel campaign has denied any direct connection to Kelly.
Tara Kelly (pictured), Clayton's wife, in an interview with the Clarion-Ledger of Mississippi, said that when Kelly posted the video on April 26, he was quickly ordered by McDaniel himself to take the video down.
"The video was up for about an hour and a half when Clayton received word, either through Facebook or the phone, I'm not sure, that 'the big man,' meaning Chris McDaniel, wanted it taken down," Tara Kelly told the newspaper. "The exact words, I remember Clayton told me, were 'the big man himself says take it down.' Clayton was already going to take it down but did so at that time."
Tara Kelly said that her husband had been encouraged to go to the nursing home by Internet users he interacted with.
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On May 21 2014 03:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 02:56 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 01:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 00:37 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 00:28 Gorsameth wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Keep pretending the rest of the world does not exist. Im sure that will solve all your problems. $500, is now $600. The hauling company is now going to charge 1.2 times more for this retailer, I'm sure this store or company, will gladly sacrifice this loss of money and sell the product what it did cost before the tax, (because global warming and the fight for the future.) But why argue when you can just name call people? I'll keep playing that game... So I take it you think "Imagine" is a better song than "A Day In The Life?" Cause it doesn't sound like a privileged middle school girl finding out that people in third world countries suffer and by damnit shes gonna say something. Why argue if you dont actually debate? Lol really man, you should probably just stop. Besides whats already been pointed out by others this is another instance of you not doing the math.... I guess we can ignore that you raised fuel prices by 20% and what has been suggested so far is an increase of fuel cost of ~5-10% max But you can keep playing if you want? What product is on your imaginary truck who's fuel cost has gone up? Raising diesel prices will increase almost all prices for goods, do you really not see that? How about answering my previous questions? Do you even maths bro? You do realize that raising prices isn't the only way to deal with increased costs anyway right?
I was giving an example which is arbitrary. Im going to watch wcs since you can not get around the fact that raising the cost of transportaion will cause an increase in prices.
Raising diesel taxes and adding meddling HOV lanes are "mathematically" (<--- see what I did there,) bad ideas. What are you magically going to do to somehow counter balance the rising cost of goods?
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On May 21 2014 03:40 Roswell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 03:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 02:56 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 01:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 00:37 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 00:28 Gorsameth wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Keep pretending the rest of the world does not exist. Im sure that will solve all your problems. $500, is now $600. The hauling company is now going to charge 1.2 times more for this retailer, I'm sure this store or company, will gladly sacrifice this loss of money and sell the product what it did cost before the tax, (because global warming and the fight for the future.) But why argue when you can just name call people? I'll keep playing that game... So I take it you think "Imagine" is a better song than "A Day In The Life?" Cause it doesn't sound like a privileged middle school girl finding out that people in third world countries suffer and by damnit shes gonna say something. Why argue if you dont actually debate? Lol really man, you should probably just stop. Besides whats already been pointed out by others this is another instance of you not doing the math.... I guess we can ignore that you raised fuel prices by 20% and what has been suggested so far is an increase of fuel cost of ~5-10% max But you can keep playing if you want? What product is on your imaginary truck who's fuel cost has gone up? Raising diesel prices will increase almost all prices for goods, do you really not see that? How about answering my previous questions? Do you even maths bro? You do realize that raising prices isn't the only way to deal with increased costs anyway right? I was giving an example which is arbitrary. Im going to watch wcs since you can not get around the fact that raising the cost of transportaion will cause an increase in prices. Raising diesel taxes and adding meddling HOV lanes are "mathematically" (<--- see what I did there,) bad ideas. What are you magically going to do to somehow counter balance the rising cost of goods?
you also increase taxation of the wealthiest and increase bottom level salary or whatever your preferred method of redistribution is and then you deal with the fact that people overall (but hopefully political action can be made so that those who are actually only buying what they need can continue to do so) just buy slightly less stuff because they're currently buying way more than they need and this whole super-consumerist mentality is a significant part of the problem of limited resources, at least until our recycling rates significantly increase.
I mean that's basically the thing from my point of view, there has to be like an organized an cohesive, all-around effort to promote environmental-friendly behavior, because if it reaches every layer of society then perhaps not any particular one needs to sacrifice all that much.. Like you can encourage: bicycles/walking/public transportation (and then prioritize those types that are most friendly for the environment), encourage electric or hybrid cars or whatever is actually the most environmentally sound choice, encourage vegetarianism, encourage buying used clothes and thrift shops or whatever, encourage using trains rather than planes for travelling whenever possible, place recycling bins with frequent intervals in any urban area, build houses with good heating/cooling infrastructure, and more than anything promote an environmentally conscious mindset as a societal ideal. So like if you really really like driving and can't stand the thought of sitting on a bus then okay, drive your car. But maybe just feel like in exchange for that, you can swap a couple weekly meals of cow for chicken or vegetables, and maybe just accept that as you're saving 30 minutes every day from driving your car and being slightly environmentally unfriendly, then you can spend 7 hours on a train rather than 4 hours in a plane once a year when you're going on vacation or whatever. (Which of course necessitates that infrastructure is built.)
None of these changes necessarily need to be all that drastic as long as small changes are made everywhere. 
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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage has been overturned by a federal judge in a decision that makes same-sex matrimony legal throughout the Northeast.
U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III's decision Tuesday is a victory for 11 couples, a widow and one of the couples' two teenage daughters who filed the first challenge to the law. Gov. Tom Corbett's office had defended the law after Attorney General Kathleen Kane called it unconstitutional and refused to defend it.
Pennsylvania was the last remaining state in the Northeast to outlaw gay marriage.
Lawyers for the plaintiffs say the law inflicts harm on same-sex couples and their children by depriving them of the legal protections and tax benefits afforded to married couples.
An appeal to the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals is likely.
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On May 21 2014 03:40 Roswell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 03:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 02:56 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 01:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 21 2014 00:37 Roswell wrote:On May 21 2014 00:28 Gorsameth wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Keep pretending the rest of the world does not exist. Im sure that will solve all your problems. $500, is now $600. The hauling company is now going to charge 1.2 times more for this retailer, I'm sure this store or company, will gladly sacrifice this loss of money and sell the product what it did cost before the tax, (because global warming and the fight for the future.) But why argue when you can just name call people? I'll keep playing that game... So I take it you think "Imagine" is a better song than "A Day In The Life?" Cause it doesn't sound like a privileged middle school girl finding out that people in third world countries suffer and by damnit shes gonna say something. Why argue if you dont actually debate? Lol really man, you should probably just stop. Besides whats already been pointed out by others this is another instance of you not doing the math.... I guess we can ignore that you raised fuel prices by 20% and what has been suggested so far is an increase of fuel cost of ~5-10% max But you can keep playing if you want? What product is on your imaginary truck who's fuel cost has gone up? Raising diesel prices will increase almost all prices for goods, do you really not see that? How about answering my previous questions? Do you even maths bro? You do realize that raising prices isn't the only way to deal with increased costs anyway right? I was giving an example which is arbitrary. Im going to watch wcs since you can not get around the fact that raising the cost of transportaion will cause an increase in prices. Raising diesel taxes and adding meddling HOV lanes are "mathematically" (<--- see what I did there,) bad ideas. What are you magically going to do to somehow counter balance the rising cost of goods?
Ok so you don't maths...
Drone said it really well. if we do a little bit everywhere we can make a large overall impact environmentally and hell the quality of life part may even be a net positive for everyone in the US and beyond in the short and/or long term!
No one is saying we should be blindly ideological in figuring out how to get there? The people generally on this side of the issues are open to all sort of solutions. As was noted in Drones response, you mention buses aren't effective then Drone and many others on this side are open to LOTS of other public transportation options. Several of which your own source demonstrates as significantly more efficient (more inexpensive/sustainable/environmentally friendly,etc..!)
Show us how HOV lanes are 'mathematically' inefficient and we'll be happy to discuss solutions. (Paying to use the lane when you don't meet the requirements is an option currently being used in my state) Just don't reflexively expect government to fail because it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. When the government fails, we fail as a responsible electorate. That's one of several reasons it pains me to see people revel in the failures of government and hand out "I told you so's" like candy on Halloween (I include myself in this criticism of cynicism...)
So sure if every corporation passes on every penny of increased cost to the consumer instead of spreading it more evenly (which is a completely viable option), costs for consumers goes up (how much, is those pesky maths). Drone mentioned some options and left open for you to suggest any you would prefer.
I think what people generally on this side are fed up with, is the careless nature with which the entire discussion is contextualized on the both sides (1 more than the other for some of us) of these issues.
Whether it's the economic impacts, the science, impacts to personal freedom, etc... We can't even agree on basic facts anymore.
We've found for at least a few beliefs, that no matter the insurmountable evidence contrary to those beliefs, significant portions of the opposition to reasonable solutions, will not under any comprehensible conditions, concede those beliefs.
This has left us in a Political gridlock we see today. The rest of America is not coming to the Tea Party (or the Occupy movement for that matter), so either those moderate Republicans stuck in the middle since Obama was elected are going to side with Democrats in exchange for moderate concessions, or slowly concede power to conservative Dem's or more radical Tea Party'ish types ('McConnell's' wont last forever).
This type of political environment wont be sustainable after Obama is out of office and he is replaced by Hillary Clinton if she runs ([not my first pick] could be someone else if she doesn't run but it won't be any republican except [ironically] Jeb Bush).
The only other future I foresee is one where somehow younger people become more educated and engaged, in which case, anything could happen... I'm all for it but I'm cautiously optimistic at best on that.
TLDR: Yes offset costs, stubborn and ignorant isn't cool, the political environment is changing much more rapidly than Earth's, and it's not getting any better for an endangered Republican party.
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AP calling Kentucky for McConnell.
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On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind.
Reality clearly has a liberal bias.
You're not getting this. Every other country taxes gas more than you. These countries still have functioning economies. Your theory < reality. There is no point speculating about what might happen, you can just go take a look, denying reality and making up your own answers is idiotic when you can just look and see what happened.
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AP - Grimes wins for Kentucky.
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On May 21 2014 08:03 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Reality clearly has a liberal bias. You're not getting this. Every other country taxes gas more than you. These countries still have functioning economies. Your theory < reality. There is no point speculating about what might happen, you can just go take a look, denying reality and making up your own answers is idiotic when you can just look and see what happened.
If by liberal bias you mean Classically Liberal then yes. Almost every other country has a higher cost of living than the US, which is a result of the tax burdens, regulatory structures, and deviations from Lockean market principles. I know you think people are dumb and can't make their own decisions, so you need wise overlords, but the fact is, that the average person is far more capable of making their own choices with their own money than a bureaucrat. Why the incessant need to manage US domestic affairs? You have the entire rest of the world if you want a more centrally planned country. The US is bad enough as it is, and you think it isn't. All that tells me is the rest of the world is definitely not someplace I'd want to live long-term.
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On May 21 2014 08:35 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 KwarK wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Reality clearly has a liberal bias. You're not getting this. Every other country taxes gas more than you. These countries still have functioning economies. Your theory < reality. There is no point speculating about what might happen, you can just go take a look, denying reality and making up your own answers is idiotic when you can just look and see what happened. If by liberal bias you mean Classically Liberal then yes. Almost every other country has a higher cost of living than the US, which is a result of the tax burdens, regulatory structures, and deviations from Lockean market principles. I know you think people are dumb and can't make their own decisions, so you need wise overlords, but the fact is, that the average person is far more capable of making their own choices with their own money than a bureaucrat. Why the incessant need to manage US domestic affairs? You have the entire rest of the world if you want a more centrally planned country. The US is bad enough as it is, and you think it isn't. All that tells me is the rest of the world is definitely not someplace I'd want to live long-term.
Which doesn't in any way change the fact that living in the US and predicting that gas taxes would cause a total economic meltdown is like living in a desert and predicting rain will cause people to dissolve. Not only nonsensical but also completely contrary to the established record of reality everywhere else, an idiocy that could only be spoken by someone with absolutely no knowledge of the world outside their tiny little bubble.
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On May 21 2014 08:35 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 KwarK wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Reality clearly has a liberal bias. You're not getting this. Every other country taxes gas more than you. These countries still have functioning economies. Your theory < reality. There is no point speculating about what might happen, you can just go take a look, denying reality and making up your own answers is idiotic when you can just look and see what happened. If by liberal bias you mean Classically Liberal then yes. Almost every other country has a higher cost of living than the US, which is a result of the tax burdens, regulatory structures, and deviations from Lockean market principles. I know you think people are dumb and can't make their own decisions, so you need wise overlords, but the fact is, that the average person is far more capable of making their own choices with their own money than a bureaucrat. Why the incessant need to manage US domestic affairs? You have the entire rest of the world if you want a more centrally planned country. The US is bad enough as it is, and you think it isn't. All that tells me is the rest of the world is definitely not someplace I'd want to live long-term.
Well that's a stupid comparison , because I get to go to college for free and pay like 50 bucks a month for full healthcare coverage. It makes sense that I'll have to pay a little more taxes here. (Although that's not even necessarily the case)
Edit: I'm also not forced to consult my local bureaucrat whenever I want to make a decision, or however you picture living in Europe works, just wanted to clear that up.
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For the last 4 months I've lived in the US. Both rent and everyday living expenses are significantly higher than they were for me in the UK, especially as a proportion of low income.
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On May 21 2014 08:35 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 KwarK wrote:On May 21 2014 00:19 Roswell wrote:On May 20 2014 15:58 KwarK wrote:-_- Actually gas prices could get significantly higher with no negative impacts. Gas prices in the United States are actually pretty much the lowest and the least taxed in the world. Gas prices in the US work out about £0.57 a litre on average although £0.53/litre at the lowest on the gulf coast. The EU average is £1.27 with the UK being £1.30 and the highest being Italy at £1.43. Only Nigeria and Venezuela have lower. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-21238363So no, check your American exceptionalism, open your eyes, learn about the world and maybe find out that your claims are not only wrong but also that they conflict with established facts which are commonplace and known to pretty much everyone who knows about other countries. Way to give examples to support your claim and not just throw out a bunch of empty nonsense. If you raise the the price of gasoline, (especially diesel,) with a tax you are only going to increase the cost of goods. What do you think happens in the real world? If it costs a company $500 to haul a load across the country and now it costs $600 what do you think that retailer is going to charge? I feel like most of you guys have Captain Planet on in your homes 24/7. Why not put on some TCM or at least Buffy. "Open your eyes, learn about the world," truly I will thanks for expanding my mind. Reality clearly has a liberal bias. You're not getting this. Every other country taxes gas more than you. These countries still have functioning economies. Your theory < reality. There is no point speculating about what might happen, you can just go take a look, denying reality and making up your own answers is idiotic when you can just look and see what happened. If by liberal bias you mean Classically Liberal then yes. Almost every other country has a higher cost of living than the US, which is a result of the tax burdens, regulatory structures, and deviations from Lockean market principles. I know you think people are dumb and can't make their own decisions, so you need wise overlords, but the fact is, that the average person is far more capable of making their own choices with their own money than a bureaucrat. Why the incessant need to manage US domestic affairs? You have the entire rest of the world if you want a more centrally planned country. The US is bad enough as it is, and you think it isn't. All that tells me is the rest of the world is definitely not someplace I'd want to live long-term.
Actually bureaucrats are far more capable of making decisions regarding money. Isn't that why they're paid the most in the private sector?
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On May 21 2014 08:51 KwarK wrote:
For the last 4 months I've lived in the US. Both rent and everyday living expenses are significantly higher than they were for me in the UK, especially as a proportion of low income.
Which city?
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On May 21 2014 09:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:51 KwarK wrote:
For the last 4 months I've lived in the US. Both rent and everyday living expenses are significantly higher than they were for me in the UK, especially as a proportion of low income. Which city?
abq, and Liverpool before that.
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On May 21 2014 08:51 KwarK wrote:
For the last 4 months I've lived in the US. Both rent and everyday living expenses are significantly higher than they were for me in the UK, especially as a proportion of low income. I like your freedom in sharing this. Could you also breakdown on gas, groceries, and restaurants? It's pretty surprising for me, since all the CPI (excl. rent) figures I've seen attempting to compare big cities UK vs USA and smaller ones put UK at a 10-30% disadvantage. Measures of gas prices usually favor USA. It really is astounding. I could only guess you did a move from a low cost suburb to closer to a big city's downtown.
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On May 21 2014 09:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:51 KwarK wrote:
For the last 4 months I've lived in the US. Both rent and everyday living expenses are significantly higher than they were for me in the UK, especially as a proportion of low income. I like your freedom in sharing this. Could you also breakdown on gas, groceries, and restaurants? It's pretty surprising for me, since all the CPI (excl. rent) figures I've seen attempting to compare big cities UK vs USA and smaller ones put UK at a 10-30% disadvantage. Measures of gas prices usually favor USA. It really is astounding. I could only guess you did a move from a low cost suburb to closer to a big city's downtown.
According to wikipedia, Liverpool is about 3 times the population density of Albuquerque.
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That sounds different from the averages, based on the numbers I've seen.
I'm going to cite the demographia reports on housing prices:
http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
so i'm guessing the differences are more to the neighborhood you're in or something.
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