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The Oracle From a Balance Perspective
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
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kcdc
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
check -> Resize large images that distort the layout: | ||
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CaptainHaz
United States240 Posts
Granted though it really doesn't seem like THAT bad of a unit. Hell if you want to make a similar comparison, templars are just shitty ghosts. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
And I absolutely wouldn't mind if they kept the mothership core, axed the mothership (assuming tempests and oracle changes could deal with late game zerg), and made the Oracle a late game caster unit that could also cloak your army, etc. | ||
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GoldenH
1115 Posts
And if you want to resize a pic, there's no replacement for a decent image editor, but you can use Paint in a pinch to resize pics, I assume you're using windows anyway. Changing your profile options only changes it for yourself I believe. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On October 17 2012 06:51 GoldenH wrote: That's a little bit too generous. You should have said that PDD only targets workers and has 0 vision radius. That'd be more like it! And if you want to resize a pic, there's no replacement for a decent image editor, but you can use Paint in a pinch to resize pics, I assume you're using windows anyway. Changing your profile options only changes it for yourself I believe. Yeah, if you resize in Paint, the image gets distorted. I'll just keep it like this I suppose. The link allows people to click through if they haven't changed their viewing settings. And you're right, auto-turret would still be better than entomb because it gives vision and has a shot to kill workers if the defender doesn't respond quickly. | ||
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opus55
Germany31 Posts
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On October 17 2012 06:23 Blacklizard wrote: And I absolutely wouldn't mind if they kept the mothership core, axed the mothership (assuming tempests and oracle changes could deal with late game zerg), and made the Oracle a late game caster unit that could also cloak your army, etc. Now that they've taken detection from the Oracle, it would be a good time to bring back some form of cloaking. Protoss is the only race that didn't receive a new cloaked threat. Terran has Widow mines, Zerg has SHs. Blizzard has said before that they may have been wrong to remove cloaking from the Oracle, so we may still have a chance. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
why all the one-dimensional units goes to protoss? at least the MsC is looking to have some utility beyond what blizzard wanted. (so it will probably lose it) | ||
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GoldenH
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:19 opus55 wrote: Well, probably terrans wouldn't build oracles if they were given them; the difference to protoss is that the latter have a much smaller variety of harassment tools, and so even a bad one may be welcome... Sure, this cat shit tastes nasty, but I'm hungry and steak ain't on the menu. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On October 17 2012 07:51 rpgalon wrote: well, the ability to spot an army for 60s does look good... Yeah, the vision spell is good for peeping at what you would have just killed if you hadn't built an oracle. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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Fenris420
Sweden213 Posts
The main problem is that oracle harass only takes place on a mineral line. Maybe void syphon was supposed to remedy that, but syphon is just bad. What happened to the philosophy of making abilities OP at first and nerfing them as they go along, like they did with spider mines and locust? Entomb at the moment is the only reason to build an oracle over two observers and two probes, and even then you aren't sure which will benefit you the most. Oracle should get some crazy abilities to try out. Like being able to see waypoints of the opponent or stealing abilities from enemy spellcasters, or whatever. I am sure it is possible to be more creative than just force fields for minerals. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On October 17 2012 09:40 kcdc wrote: Yeah, the vision spell is good for peeping at what you would have just killed if you hadn't built an oracle. lol;-) i dont see a similarity to the raven, but you have a point with this. On October 17 2012 07:38 Crawdad wrote: Now that they've taken detection from the Oracle, it would be a good time to bring back some form of cloaking. Protoss is the only race that didn't receive a new cloaked threat. Terran has Widow mines, Zerg has SHs. Blizzard has said before that they may have been wrong to remove cloaking from the Oracle, so we may still have a chance. did i miss something? oracle was able to cloak? or did you mix it up with detection? well, doesnt matter, we wont see many oracles, given their price and the high energy costs of the shitty abilities after energize was removed. terrans get 1,5 mules for every entomb, and for the costs of an oracle you can afford a bunker full of marines in 2 mineral lines dealing with entomb. marines you have as fighting units later, when it comes to a final battle. zerg has spines and queens in theri mineral lines. so basically you trade zealot/warpprism harass against oracle harass, since everyone will have defenses now in his mineral lines when he sees an oracle. and he knows that he can afford it then, because the oracle was not cheap, too, and the opponents army is smaller because of it. they should give the oracle at least 1 ability to be useful somehow in a fight, otherwise its just a sad trade. 50 or 75 energy foer an ability.. thats like "hm, my oracle has 75 energy, what should i do?" and when you arent lucky your 75 energy is wasted, because the army isnt where you reveal, or it hangs out next to the mineral patches you entomb, or a viking flies around the building you want to siphon. just an expensive lottery ticket with bad chances. damn, im QQing again... i guess played too much terran today^^ | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On October 17 2012 10:00 SarcasmMonster wrote: Your threads are normally super awesome. Not feeling this one. I've already written 3 long threads detailing what's wrong with the oracle and Blizzard hasn't listened. I thought something short and snappy might be more persuasive. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
 I do have hope though. We're currently thinking the main issue with Entomb is that it decreases action. The more powerful this ability becomes, players are just required to stay in their bases. We are trying our best to reevaluate Entomb and the Oracle in general, and this is one of our main focus points on our list of things to do. -David Kim In case you missed it today. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
the only thing you can entomb are mineral lines look at all the other spells, there are multiple uses of them, and require micro for example what they should do if they want this ability to harass via stopping mining via stargate tech is not to add this shitty unit, but move the warp prism to stargate tech, allowing those who want to open stargate to be able to harass via dropping Sentries and doing something very similar Perhaps that might be a good thing to change, since there is rare need for warp prisms so early via robo openings, as immortals are usually needed to help protect yourself on two bases while you tech to colossus | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
On October 17 2012 10:10 cari-kira wrote: did i miss something? oracle was able to cloak? or did you mix it up with detection? In alpha, when the Mothership was still out of the game, the Oracle could cloak units under it as a spell instead of a passive. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
As a Protoss player, it is pretty annoying that the only quick harass unit we get doesn't actually kill anything. I have a feeling that the tempest will be changed from its current form right now and won't be that good for harass in the future. You can always recover from an oracle attack (lol) because you don't lose workers, only mining time. You usually just lose the game if you lose all your probes at a mining base from drops or other harass. | ||
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xPrimuSx
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AuraFire
United States21 Posts
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
As an example of a potentially much more interesting spell they could add to the game: stasis! =P | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
On October 17 2012 10:14 kcdc wrote: I've already written 3 long threads detailing what's wrong with the oracle and Blizzard hasn't listened. I thought something short and snappy might be more persuasive. They responded well to your article about the MsC (though you didn't get to be the one to post it). And longer, more detailed, and more conversant points do much to convince the community, which is who you need to get through to blizzard. The image is cute, but it doesn't really tell completely enough why the unit is so bad (and it is, I agree with you). On October 17 2012 09:40 kcdc wrote: Yeah, the vision spell is good for peeping at what you would have just killed if you hadn't built an oracle. I don't know how the devs don't get this. Nobody is going to build a stargate for 150/150, and then build an Oracle for an additional 150/150, leaving you with 600 resources spent not on combat units. Holding early game rushes is close enough with standard gateway/robo armies. How do they not get this? Edit: Okay, so I read this as "what would have just killed you because you built an Oracle"... I guess you aren't as cynical as I am. But that's kinda how I feel. Whenever I build a pair of phoenixes, I feel like I'm thinking "man, I hope he doesn't see that he can just attack me and win right now?" (in PvT especially, though it's pretty decent in small numbers in the other MUs) - take away the attack and... | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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