On October 04 2012 19:39 Nirel wrote: Liquid all-ready has a very deep and wide T line up with great success they need P or Z
Thats true. Not sure if they need yet another Terran. They already have Taeja, PirateTerran, MoustacheTerran and Taeja.
You forgot LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe.
Seriously though, Welcome Sea if it's you! Hope you have a great time on Liquid and I seriously can't wait for the next teamleague to come around, Liquid the unstoppable teamleague team <3
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
So racism is okay if your country of heritage hasn't been historically involved in such matters?! Wow... Well I just want the best player to win and if the Koreans have the best conditions/training regiments to be the best, why should I not root for them?! Nothing hinders foreign teams to do so as well... This foreigner bias is at least as much retarded as a lot of people around here seem to be... I mean, please re-read your post and confirm that you mean what you just wrote there... Really... Seriously?!?!
People really need to stop saying racism when that's not what's going on. Its not racist to say that the lower degree of fan interaction that most Korean players have with fans puts you off. Would it be racist for me to say that i am really interested in the american election, but not really in the French, German, or Indian elections? Thats almost entirely because its far easier to follow something in a language you understand. However, it would be racist if someone was a big quantic fan, but refused to support illusion because hes not white, which isn't at all what is going on. I'm using him as an example, but you could also give the example of Violet, who has a pretty decent fan base, and a large part of that is down to the fact that he can speak English pretty well. its just less easy to draw comparisons to a teamless player, because its much harder to say that the only difference is race. Im pretty sure illusion is american, or at least has lived there most his life, but i dont think that affects the main point Misusing the term does nothing to prevent racism, and if you know that half the time someone calls racism its not, then actually calling someone like destiny out becomes much harder, and its much easier for people to pretend they didn't do anything wrong, or are the victim of some hateful smear campaign.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
So racism is okay if your country of heritage hasn't been historically involved in such matters?! Wow... Well I just want the best player to win and if the Koreans have the best conditions/training regiments to be the best, why should I not root for them?! Nothing hinders foreign teams to do so as well... This foreigner bias is at least as much retarded as a lot of people around here seem to be... I mean, please re-read your post and confirm that you mean what you just wrote there... Really... Seriously?!?!
where, how, what, lol. how in the hell did you conclude that from my post? point was that racism is non-issue, and when you're not overly sensitive about the issue, you tend to make the right calls. in example, you don't call something out that actually is not racist. like situation right here. you attack that chinese american dude very harshly, and you don't even know him. now you do the same thing to me, throwing around label "retarded" at the majority of the community (european WCS finals viewer numbers, take a hint)............
you should at least try to come off as civil, even if you don't agree that it's easier for non-koreans to relate with non-koreans in a korean-dominated game. you also didn't adress the issue of rooting for chinese (in Code A) or non-korean-trained koreans (d.select) when they play against korean-trained players, which doesn't even touch on your personal opinions which you are entitled to have, but does show that you calling that guy out as racist is just wrong.
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