(For the mods: Can you change the topic title to Sea joins Team Liquid (or something what is better than that).
So it seems that Sea[Shield] is going to join Team Liquid! Several Korean sites (such as thisisgame and sc2news) have confirmed that Sea is going to join Liquid.
So WhO could it be? What race and whatnot? I Really hope it'S a EU Terran, but I also would like a Korean player (because of the more depth Nazgul wants)
Disappointed that he didn't tweet a sillhuette like when Zenio was recruited.. I had alot of fun matching player profiles to the sillguette, lol
On a more serious note, I think our Zerg-lineup is starting to look dangerously slim, with HayprO retirering at all - I would like to see at least 3 more Zergs before I feel comfortable with this
A terran would probably make the most sense. Whoever it is will be awesome knowing Nazgul and teams record of picking really good talents. I can't wait to find out who!
On October 04 2012 02:12 Bojas wrote: God I was just about to create a topic. Beat me to it .
I hope it's Morrow, he's been teamless for ages and he's a good player.
Hehe I rushed to make the topic ^_^.
So I've been looking at some teamless players and some names who came around were MorroW, Sting (although I keep thinking he is on ST now -_-), Pokebunny (I don't know but he was a great talent from the NA scene though). And I am thinking about Jjakji because NSHS is falling apart right now, and I think he is a possible person to switch teams (especially with going to overseas tournaments a lot which Liquid gives them the chances for).
I think Liquid, and the western scene in general, would be best served by a promising young NA terran/protoss. The problem with this is that for terrans I can only think of Illusion, and no-one for protoss... EU it is then!
I'm thinking european terran or protoss, normally I'd guess Lucifron, but he said he doesn't want to leave Karont3, but Liquid offer could prove irresistible. Otherwise it could be somebody brought to the front by the WCS
Will be hard adding another player considering the success their last addition had! Obviously this is not taken into consideration, but the expectations now will be higher. Which is only a good thing though Thinking another terran, which leads me to believe a korean. GL anyways!
The obvious choices seem: Sting (just because he is good, teamless and terran) Slayers player (slayers have been having trouble, and mma in particular seems to be likely) Morrow (teamless, good, would fit well with liquid, possibly terran in HoTS) Huk (fits very well with Liquid, should have dropped in value now compared to last year, signed contract a bit over 13 months ago so now would be about the time for a switch). Former oGs terrans (most are good players and friends with liquid)
I doubt it will be a KeSPA player. KeSPA and ESF+Slayers has a trade lock for another year, and while Liquid is not technically part of it I don't think they want to step on a lot of the big boys' toes in Korea.
I think it's highly reasonable to expect Liquid to pick up a Terran. A couple months ago I'd have bet good money that they were gonna pick up SuperNoVa since he is good friends and lives with a lot of Liquid players, but since he's no longer teamless, I'm not sure who they'll go for. Whoever it is, though, he'll likely be a skilled Terran who's posted some results and has talent but hasn't made it big yet-- typically TL is good at scouting upcoming talent.
I wonder how long Feast`s contract is still running. He would fit the profile very well (foreign Toss, full time pro, good manners, still has to have his big break-through). He also seems to train a bit with TLO so there is already some connection. Illusion is still in high school, so he could be a bit too young. Morrow would be an interesting prospect too. However he currently only plays Hots and he already seemed to have motivational problems in the last months. So he wouldn`t be of too much help for the remaining tournies this year.
I feel like its definitely going to be a terran since right now Taeja is the only T on the roster. Time to sift through all the free agents. My guess is Morrow but I don't think he has 100% confirmed that he will play terran again. He seems like a perfect fit though!
for some reason i hope they pick low-profile or no-name player that will surprisingly compliment taeja and hero. kinda like the bull's jordan-pippen-rodman lol.
On October 04 2012 02:40 bsdaemon wrote: for some reason i hope they pick low-profile or no-name player that will surprisingly compliment taeja and hero. kinda like the bull's jordan-pippen-rodman lol.
Liquid doesn't really do this anymore though, sadly.
I was browsing the TLPD and 2 teamless players of high calibre are TOP formerly of oGs and Rainbow formerly of ST. I think top might be the obvious choice out of the two since he was in the oGs house at one point. Still rooting for Morrow!
For all the people saying they only have one terran. I don't understand how you can forget: Liquid'PirateTerran Liquid'MoustacheTerran and Liquid'sucksballzwithoutme ... So they really need a protoss with 4 t and 4 z
I don't think it will be another Korean. Liquid decided against picking up Genius because they were happy with their trio of Koreans. Also Liquid just lost two foreigners to retirement. Will most likely be a foreign Protoss or Terran.
On October 04 2012 02:42 ReachTheSky wrote: I was browsing the TLPD and 2 teamless players of high calibre are TOP formerly of oGs and Rainbow formerly of ST. I think top might be the obvious choice out of the two since he was in the oGs house at one point. Still rooting for Morrow!
I could see TOP. Rainbow's in the army right now.
At the end of the day, it'll be a foreigner, and unless its a completely new pickup, it's gonna be MorroW.
The roster is small enough to warrant at least 2 recruits. Id say 1 foreigner 1 Korean would be good to keep up the balance which Im pretty sure Liquid would like to retain. While there are a number of viable Koreans, the only foreigner that I would like is Lucifron.
On October 04 2012 02:41 Hryul wrote: But I really don't get the message: Is this the announcement of an announcement or is he saying: watch out guys, tomorrow we reveal our new player?
It's the announcement that tells you to send your job application right now. :D
San would be the best pickup if they are thinking about a Korean. But it sounds like Nazgul is more concerned about the strength of their terran lineup.
On October 04 2012 02:53 WArped wrote: I hope they rescue GanZi from coL and make him that fearful Terran monster he used to be along with TaeJa - his results have plummeted as of late.
Yeah, because Ganzi's wrists are #*@&ed up...
Most of the suggestions in here make 0 sense, but I've stopped trying to tell if people are trolling in these kind of threads anymore lol
I don't think it will be Morrow. I like him A LOT, but he didn't show any results at all since a year (I think after they nerfed reapers, this was the time when he shined).
Naniwa maybe? Vortix/Lucifron would be sick additions, they are having their prime time atm I think.
Grubby would be super sick as well, but I think it would make problems as he has his own sponsors.
On October 04 2012 02:42 ReachTheSky wrote: I was browsing the TLPD and 2 teamless players of high calibre are TOP formerly of oGs and Rainbow formerly of ST. I think top might be the obvious choice out of the two since he was in the oGs house at one point. Still rooting for Morrow!
I could see TOP. Rainbow's in the army right now.
At the end of the day, it'll be a foreigner, and unless its a completely new pickup, it's gonna be MorroW.
Ahhhh, I was wondering why rainbow dropped off the face of the planet lol.
On October 04 2012 03:01 WatchOutNow wrote: grubby would be soooo awesome
Christ, I would love that so so much.
Grubby isn't just a good enough person and good enough player, because he totally is both, but he is also handsome enough to fit right in.
The more I think of it, the more it makes sense.
He has the presence, the fan-base, he doesn't fit in any team house, he is charismatic and has assloads of media experience. He would benefit TL so much and at the same time profit from all the talent in the team.
Also, the team's average performance of Orc-impersonations would skyrocket.
On October 04 2012 03:01 Defrag wrote: I don't think it will be Morrow. I like him A LOT, but he didn't show any results at all since a year (I think after they nerfed reapers, this was the time when he shined).
Naniwa maybe? Vortix/Lucifron would be sick additions, they are having their prime time atm I think.
Grubby would be super sick as well, but I think it would make problems as he has his own sponsors.
What? Morrow didn't showed any results?? He may have not won any tournament but he was a big staple at teamleagues and has been playing considerably well.(But he is on a slump right now.)
On October 04 2012 02:53 WArped wrote: I hope they rescue GanZi from coL and make him that fearful Terran monster he used to be along with TaeJa - his results have plummeted as of late.
has nothing to do with being on coL and everything to do with his wrists. He was actually posting some of his best results on coL before his injury.
On October 04 2012 03:01 Defrag wrote: I don't think it will be Morrow. I like him A LOT, but he didn't show any results at all since a year (I think after they nerfed reapers, this was the time when he shined).
Naniwa maybe? Vortix/Lucifron would be sick additions, they are having their prime time atm I think.
Grubby would be super sick as well, but I think it would make problems as he has his own sponsors.
What? Morrow didn't showed any results?? He may have not won any tournament but he was a big staple at teamleagues and has been playing considerably well.(But he is on a slump right now.)
Teamleagues are pretty much meaningless. He did'nt even play in any major lan tournament like Dreamhack, mlg, wcs, etc.
On October 04 2012 02:41 Hryul wrote: But I really don't get the message: Is this the announcement of an announcement or is he saying: watch out guys, tomorrow we reveal our new player?
It's the announcement that tells you to send your job application right now. :D
excellent. Since I just took an unpronounceable username at tl to troll everyone and am Rain/Sun in reality, i got this.
Sting is the only Korean I would consider to be a possibility. When recruiting Koreans TL prefers up and comers with tons of potential rather than being a shelter for has-beens. Zenio is the exception but that was a special case because of Liquid's relationship with oGs and the relative paucity of Korean free agents at the time. Of course if NSHS really is in danger of disbandment then Jjakji becomes the prime candidate.
On October 04 2012 03:01 Defrag wrote: I don't think it will be Morrow. I like him A LOT, but he didn't show any results at all since a year (I think after they nerfed reapers, this was the time when he shined).
Naniwa maybe? Vortix/Lucifron would be sick additions, they are having their prime time atm I think.
Grubby would be super sick as well, but I think it would make problems as he has his own sponsors.
What? Morrow didn't showed any results?? He may have not won any tournament but he was a big staple at teamleagues and has been playing considerably well.(But he is on a slump right now.)
Teamleagues are pretty much meaningless. He did'nt even play in any major lan tournament like Dreamhack, mlg, wcs, etc.
For a team, team leagues are pretty important. Additionally teams do not necessarily need results to pick up a player. If TL believes Morrow will become a world-class player, then picking him up would make sense and him not having any results would just mean that it would generate more discussion and hype, and they would be able to get away with a lower salary. With Ret and him in ministry of win, they are in a prime position to observe how his skills are developing.
by "depth", Nazgul must have meant Korean. MorroW is suitable for some online teamleague and thats it. It shouldnt be Grubby either unless TL wants to expand their caster division.
That should be someone who can place top4 in MLG/DH/insertforeigntourney and still a force to be reckoned with in Korean. Not Zenio-ish, but Hero-ish. Hmm think about jjakji here
Surprised no1 has mentioned scarlett... She's doing so well as of late and is still on a team that isn't sending her to some of the major events. It actually blows my mind she's still with them, though I'm sure she's happy regardless of what team shes on. Hopefully she gets more opportunity though, she has so much talent
There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
On October 04 2012 03:30 Aelfric wrote: There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
What leads you to believe that it could be the new recruit and not just someone using his account?
On October 04 2012 03:30 Aelfric wrote: There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
What leads you to believe that it could be the new recruit and not just someone using his account?
The player was seriously good and was using korean smiles mistakenly. He didn't want to show it and tried to speak english but sson easily understood that he is actually korean.
On October 04 2012 03:36 MasterKang wrote: After signing two koreans (or 3 not sure) in a row, I really doubt it'll be another korean, most likely a european with a recent breakout performance
On October 04 2012 03:30 Aelfric wrote: There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
What leads you to believe that it could be the new recruit and not just someone using his account?
Oh please let it be Sting. I would love to see Sting on TeamLiquid. Also, do you have the VOD? I would like to check the hotkey setup and compare it to TSL.
On October 04 2012 03:30 Aelfric wrote: There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
What leads you to believe that it could be the new recruit and not just someone using his account?
The player was seriously good and was using korean smiles mistakenly. He didn't want to show it and tried to speak english but sson easily understood that he is actually korean.
But none of that points to him joining liquid, that just means he uses smiles and that the guy is korean...
On October 04 2012 03:30 Aelfric wrote: There is a korean terran player plays at bumblebee's account in na playhem, he beat ssonlight 2-1 yesterday. We speculated in chat that it could be taeja but after seeing the playstyle we thought he isn't. But it made me pretty sure he is the new recruit. Don't know who he is yet, but it's a korean terran...
What leads you to believe that it could be the new recruit and not just someone using his account?
The player was seriously good and was using korean smiles mistakenly. He didn't want to show it and tried to speak english but sson easily understood that he is actually korean.
But none of that points to him joining liquid, that just means he uses smiles and that the guy is korean...
Especially since Nazgul's tweet reads more like "I should look into finding someone" rather than "I have already found someone"
Imagine if they could find a great Protoss player with a huge fan base that is not on a team and live in the same country that another Liquid member, like Ret for example. It would be fantastic.
On October 04 2012 02:12 Bojas wrote: God I was just about to create a topic. Beat me to it .
I hope it's Morrow, he's been teamless for ages and he's a good player.
Hehe I rushed to make the topic ^_^.
So I've been looking at some teamless players and some names who came around were MorroW, Sting (although I keep thinking he is on ST now -_-), Pokebunny (I don't know but he was a great talent from the NA scene though). And I am thinking about Jjakji because NSHS is falling apart right now, and I think he is a possible person to switch teams (especially with going to overseas tournaments a lot which Liquid gives them the chances for).
AH CANT WAIT
I'm not teamless =p it's definitely not me, would be a dream though heh
Who is this BitByBit? He was mentioned earlier in this thread. And is @TeamLiquidPro just trolling?
BitByBit was a terran who played very aggressive/cheesy builds in the early days of SC2. His SCV-Trains will be saved forever in our memorys. Then he had to go to military and now he is back.
I don't think they will go after a korean as it would be too much of a shift from the foreign community team they had in mind. Morrow might be a good candidate as he's teamless. An up and coming guy like Babyknight would be awesome too but i think his contract with FXO is nowhere near to expiring.
"add some depth" sounds like "well buddy you are playing very good but you can help the team on the bench too!"
Maybe they looking for some foreigner T/P To build up and make better, or they want a Code A/S Zerg. Yes they have "a lot" of Zergs bot no one at the highest level so they would have a much higher chance at teamleagues.
If they could pick up another A/S class player they could get another shot at gstl.
I don't care who it is! I just like the excitment of knowing that we have a new player to look forward to! Would like to see another Terran, or maybe a strong Zerg.
EDIT: Just thought about it, and it would be sick to get Grubby!
I think Liquid'MorroW is a good possibility. Liquid seems to go for players who are very manner and dedicated (not that other players aren't). In that vein I somewhat doubt Liquid'NaNi considering his personality in the past seems to have conflicted with other teams (I still love the guy). Also - I don't think another Zerg because they already have like 4. I guess race probably doesn't matter so much as personality in Liquid's eyes - which is probably a good thing. I would look at the nicest teamless players - although they already have Sheth and HerO and TLO and NonY and their whole roster who all seem like really great guys. Waitaminute.... guys.... what if it's a chick :O!
nazgul in one interview stated TL will recruit based on potential that will be embraced by the team, not a already established player /w many big achivements. Would like it to be MaNa, but dunno if he suits to mentioned statement.
Hmm.. TeamLiquid does have lots of Zerg, else getting both Lucifron and Vortix could be an option. But they might be happy being on their own private team at the moment.
Crazy dream would be danish Terran player Dreambunny. :p
On October 04 2012 04:18 mec wrote: PLEASE let it be morrow! I might even change my favorite team if this happens!
With him playing tons of Terran in HoTS beta, I think that could be a valid option. The more I think about Morrow, that does make sense.
On October 04 2012 04:12 Arghmyliver wrote: I think Liquid'MorroW is a good possibility. Liquid seems to go for players who are very manner and dedicated (not that other players aren't). In that vein I somewhat doubt Liquid'NaNi considering his personality in the past seems to have conflicted with other teams (I still love the guy). Also - I don't think another Zerg because they already have like 4. I guess race probably doesn't matter so much as personality in Liquid's eyes - which is probably a good thing. I would look at the nicest teamless players - although they already have Sheth and HerO and TLO and NonY and their whole roster who all seem like really great guys. Waitaminute.... guys.... what if it's a chick :O!
I don't see why they should pick up MorroW. He hasn't shown any good results lately, e.g. currently beeing last in the PokerStrategy.com League (in fact the only player who didnt win a BO10 yet). He has been in Korea for quite a while, but not showing a lot of improvement. Lately he seems to be focusing on HotS, but also not performing all that well in the Beta-Cups. I also remember a interview where he stated, that he doesn't really enjoy playing WoL anymore.
Could see Liquid'Morrow happening just to replenish the Zerg count again. :D Hoping for a Terran (Sting?) or a Protoss (ManZenith San?). Very excited nonetheless.
They have enough zergs, and WAY too many terrans (Taeja counts for like, 5 Korean terrans). It'll be a protoss, but the question is who. Any teamless Korean protoss around?
I just dont think morrow would be a good choice yes hes teamless but hes just not it.. sorry morrow fans...
if i could dream i would say(in no particular order): TossGirl (would be so awesome) Savior (i know hes banned but one can dream) MMA (i would shit some huge bricks) jjakji (would be a smart and awesome pick) Puzzle (just because hes awesome) Scarlett (well acer is one crappy team sorry fans) Huk (like everyone else on TL he belongs to Liquid not greedy EG) Artosis (he has been secretly training for a year now to make is comeback :D) Stork (just because is my fav. bw player of all time)
I don't think the race is what he means with the depth. Probably just play style and numbers for team leagues, and some more players who can snipe the best of the best.
On October 04 2012 04:59 Archile wrote: I'm guessing TOP here's why
1. showed brilliance with his play last year 2. former oGs member 3. terran 4. teamless
A man can only dream. I miss Topuu so much sometimes, his glasses were so awesome that Fionn still can't stop talking about them. And the fact that he was one of the only SC2 players to have fangirls for a long time (BisuBysu By.Sun runs the fangirl scene now).
If he would decide to focus on Sc2 Krass would be an interesting prospect.
Btw. I`m really wondering why Nazgul made that tweet. He certainly didn`t post a tweet about a thought that just came across his mind and as he knew about Jinro/Haypro leaving for ages he must have monitored the transfer market closely in the last months. So as the available players are quite obvious maybe he wants to see the TLers reaction about some possibilities.
On October 04 2012 04:55 di4m0nd wrote: I just dont think morrow would be a good choice yes hes teamless but hes just not it.. sorry morrow fans...
if i could dream i would say(in no particular order): TossGirl (would be so awesome) Savior (i know hes banned but one can dream) MMA (i would shit some huge bricks) jjakji (would be a smart and awesome pick) Puzzle (just because hes awesome) Scarlett (well acer is one crappy team sorry fans) Huk (like everyone else on TL he belongs to Liquid not greedy EG) Artosis (he has been secretly training for a year now to make is comeback :D) Stork (just because is my fav. bw player of all time)
From those alternatives, Morrow would be more likely... Not that I think it will be Morrow but come on.
Of all the names that people toss up in this thread, Sting would be the pickup that makes sense. Teamless with lots of talent and he's been helping a lot of monsters as a practice partners. Also generally good manners.
Also Grubby joining the team makes no sense to me, I feel he has his own thing going on at the moment.
Most Likely The most likely is Sting, given that he has an unorthodox playstyle, hasn't peaked in skill yet, is well-mannered, is teamless, and made a very good impression on foreigners in TSL4.
Possible Anybody from Woongjin Stars or Team 8, since both of those teams have few sponsors and are on the verge of disbanding. Names to look out for are Soulkey, Light, Movie and ZerO. (Not Jaedong, since if he's transferring to any team, it would be one with a strict practice regiment like SlayerS or Samsung KHAN.)
Possible but Unlikely TOP is teamless and really good, but as a former semifinalist, his skill is probably considered to have peaked; plus he does not seem to have any presence in any major leagues or tournaments anymore. There's also San and InCa, the SC2 Hyuks, but they're considered gimmicky players and are more known for their tragic blunders. Naniwa, arguably the best foreigner of 2012 in getting to Code S Ro8 twice, is possible; but his history of bad manner and team hopping wouldn't mesh well with Liquid's familial business. Morrow isn't good enough to compete on a Code A level, so if he's picked, it would be more for advertisement than as a serious competitor. Since NSHS is doing very poorly, it's also entirely possible that jjakji, Sculp, Seal or Tassadar could be scavenged, but it's generally thought that team scavenging is EG's card, not Liquid's.
Only in Your Dreams Anybody from Airforce ACE. Players go there when they're in the military, not get handsome salaries. The team's dead but that probably means the end of their careers unless some KePSA arrangement is made. MMA, HuK, Flash, Dragon, BitByBit, MarineKing, Destiny.
Since Haypro and Jinro retired recently, and I assume TLO and Sheth will follow shortly, they will probably add some top Korean(s), or at least promising Korean(s).
There are some foreigners I could see joining the team, but they would probably ask for more than your average Korean would ask for. Less bang for you buck, if you will.
On October 04 2012 05:38 Starshaped wrote: Since Haypro and Jinro retired recently, and I assume TLO and Sheth will follow shortly, they will probably add some top Korean(s), or at least promising Korean(s).
There are some foreigners I could see joining the team, but they would probably ask for more than your average Korean would ask for. Less bang for you buck, if you will.
Edit: Liquid´BitByBit would be amazing :D
Wait wait wait...why would you assume TLO and Sheth will retire?
On October 04 2012 05:38 Starshaped wrote: Since Haypro and Jinro retired recently, and I assume TLO and Sheth will follow shortly, they will probably add some top Korean(s), or at least promising Korean(s).
There are some foreigners I could see joining the team, but they would probably ask for more than your average Korean would ask for. Less bang for you buck, if you will.
Edit: Liquid´BitByBit would be amazing :D
Wait wait wait...why would you assume TLO and Sheth will retire?
They are both very motivated and play the game, so there is no reason at all to think they are going to retire any time soon.
On October 04 2012 05:29 LightSpectra wrote: Most Likely The most likely is Sting, given that he has an unorthodox playstyle, hasn't peaked in skill yet, is well-mannered, is teamless, and made a very good impression on foreigners in TSL4.
Possible Anybody from Woongjin Stars or Team 8, since both of those teams have few sponsors and are on the verge of disbanding. Names to look out for are Soulkey, Light, Movie and ZerO. (Not Jaedong, since if he's transferring to any team, it would be one with a strict practice regiment like SlayerS or Samsung KHAN.)
Possible but Unlikely TOP is teamless and really good, but as a former semifinalist, his skill is probably considered to have peaked; plus he does not seem to have any presence in any major leagues or tournaments anymore. There's also San and InCa, the SC2 Hyuks, but they're considered gimmicky players and are more known for their tragic blunders. Naniwa, arguably the best foreigner of 2012 in getting to Code S Ro8 twice, is possible; but his history of bad manner and team hopping wouldn't mesh well with Liquid's familial business. Morrow isn't good enough to compete on a Code A level, so if he's picked, it would be more for advertisement than as a serious competitor. Since NSHS is doing very poorly, it's also entirely possible that jjakji, Sculp, Seal or Tassadar could be scavenged, but it's generally thought that team scavenging is EG's card, not Liquid's.
Only in Your Dreams Anybody from Airforce ACE. Players go there when they're in the military, not get handsome salaries. The team's dead but that probably means the end of their careers unless some KePSA arrangement is made. MMA, HuK, Flash, Dragon, BitByBit, MarineKing, Destiny.
This is a good post, I agree with Sting beeing the most likely one, wouldn't mind TOP thought. Btw, how in Gods name can you say "Naniwa, arguably the best foreigner of 2012" arguably indeed!!
On October 04 2012 05:38 Starshaped wrote: Since Haypro and Jinro retired recently, and I assume TLO and Sheth will follow shortly, they will probably add some top Korean(s), or at least promising Korean(s).
There are some foreigners I could see joining the team, but they would probably ask for more than your average Korean would ask for. Less bang for you buck, if you will.
Edit: Liquid´BitByBit would be amazing :D
Wait wait wait...why would you assume TLO and Sheth will retire?
They are both very motivated and play the game, so there is no reason at all to think they are going to retire any time soon.
Combining for zero titles in over 4 man-years of play would be a pretty good reason to retire. Just saying.
I just wish TL keeps the ball rolling when it comes to signing serious players instead of nerd celebrities. HerO and TaeJa were home-runs. Don't be EG pls.
On October 04 2012 05:38 Starshaped wrote: Since Haypro and Jinro retired recently, and I assume TLO and Sheth will follow shortly, they will probably add some top Korean(s), or at least promising Korean(s).
There are some foreigners I could see joining the team, but they would probably ask for more than your average Korean would ask for. Less bang for you buck, if you will.
Edit: Liquid´BitByBit would be amazing :D
Wait wait wait...why would you assume TLO and Sheth will retire?
They are both very motivated and play the game, so there is no reason at all to think they are going to retire any time soon.
Combining for zero titles in over 4 man-years of play would be a pretty good reason to retire. Just saying.
I just wish TL keeps the ball rolling when it comes to signing serious players instead of nerd celebrities. HerO and TaeJa were home-runs. Don't be EG pls.
Majority of players don't have any titles, but they still bring home the wins in tournaments. First place is not everything.
On October 04 2012 04:40 TheButtonmen wrote: Hopefully not a Korean.
because...?
Because I'm not a fan of TL because of the quality of their players, I'm a fan because of the team atmosphere and community involvement. They already have two faceless korean mercenaries (Zenio/Taeja) who I'm not fans of, I'd prefer they pick up a foreigner rather then adding another Korean simply so they can attempt to ride Taeja through GSTL.
Well going by the players available at the moment there aren't many great ones unless they take from an established team. Id hope that it will be a non-korean too.
Plz MMA lol, I can watch TvX all day every day. j/k but I think TLO and Zenio is weak compare to herO and Taeja so another Zerg might help them to snipe some necessary players
It will either be a ex-oGs player or a SlayerS player. I don't think Morrow. He's had his prime of his career and it'd be stupid for a huge team like Liquid to pick him up.
On October 04 2012 06:15 SniXSniPe wrote: Was under the impression Liquid wasn't really interested in recruiting another Korean player, and instead wanted to find foreign talent.
Or at least, I'm pretty sure they said something like this a while ago.
They need another player in Korea to apply for GSTL unless they are having someone already on the team move over there.
They should have ozsuckballswithoutme and liquidsukballswithoutme on the same team! =) Ofc will never happen.
Knowing liquid approach it will not be a star player, rather one who is showing some promising performance but still in the development. And it should be T.
On October 04 2012 06:21 Kluey wrote: It will either be a ex-oGs player or a SlayerS player. I don't think Morrow. He's had his prime of his career and it'd be stupid for a huge team like Liquid to pick him up.
The thing is, the twitter update said someone to add "depth" to the team.. Wanting to add someone for depth to the team typically means a more veteran player.
Also, I doubt they would pick up Scarlett because they know there would be way too much drama/dispute following that if it did happen. Highly unlikely.
It's obviously a joke with "tomorrow" and Morrow because I don't Nazgul is just going to decide randomly that he'll be picking another player tomorrow...
Excited nonetheless to know who it's going to be ! Liquid Fighting !
I really hope they pick up a Korean player. Liquid is one of the few foreign teams that benefits their Korean players in more ways than just a healthy salary. Personally, I'd love to see TOP get picked up but idk if he has the potential to become a top class player again.
I hate to be the cynic, but picking up a foreigner at this point would be pretty worthless.
On October 04 2012 04:40 TheButtonmen wrote: Hopefully not a Korean.
because...?
Because I'm not a fan of TL because of the quality of their players, I'm a fan because of the team atmosphere and community involvement. They already have two faceless korean mercenaries (Zenio/Taeja) who I'm not fans of, I'd prefer they pick up a foreigner rather then adding another Korean simply so they can attempt to ride Taeja through GSTL.
On October 04 2012 06:21 snively wrote: BRING HUK BACK
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He renewed his contract... The eg curse will continue to devour him. On a lighter note! I feel like it will be someone who is from nshs. It would be cool for MMA but for some reason I doubt it. I'd like jjackji because I feel like he could blossom at liquid. He isn't really in a good environment at the moment... At least, that's what I perceive without knowing the inner workings of nshs. LiquidLegend would be cool ^^
On October 04 2012 06:25 Geiko wrote: It's obviously a joke with "tomorrow" and Morrow because I don't Nazgul is just going to decide randomly that he'll be picking another player tomorrow...
Excited nonetheless to know who it's going to be ! Liquid Fighting !
How is that a joke? It's a play with words that don't make any sense.
It's gonna be Korean for sure. They're the only ones winning them games. I just hope it wont be another Zenio. They recruited him after he got knocked out of GSL in a pretty convincing fashion and showed pretty much nothing since the teamswitch.
On October 04 2012 06:24 Dumbtruck wrote: If they recruit Scarlett I'm gonna take my Team Liquid pin and keycap and toss them into fire
eh, why?
I would get banned if I said what I really think, so I'm just going to say she doesn't fit into the team.
If you are not going to say what you actually mean you might as well say nothing.
If it's a Korean Protoss my bets are on San the Man. He fits Liquids bill pretty well imo. MorroW is a great guy, but I don't really see him improving TL or having any major impact.
Quoted the wrong post >< too tired, going to sleep!
In Liquid Rising, they said that they wanted Team Liquid to be a team in which players can do better and achieve more than they could've done on their own or on their previous teams. And personally, if there's ever such a player, it's Scarlett. Whenever she comes out to play a game, she turns heads or ends up being the best one in Canada or even North America, but mostly she just sits at home, not streaming. Team Liquid could send her places and definitely make her achieve more than she could have at home with her slow internet. Even if she doesn't get signed (or somehow announced) tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised to see her picked up by Liquid in the future. I'd say the only thing speaking against her is that she's a zerg and currently on another team.
Other than that, I think Liquid could easily pick up someone surprising, like one of the foreigners living in Korea or one of the runner-ups for the continental WCS finals or something like that.
On October 04 2012 06:21 Kluey wrote: It will either be a ex-oGs player or a SlayerS player. I don't think Morrow. He's had his prime of his career and it'd be stupid for a huge team like Liquid to pick him up.
The thing is, the twitter update said someone to add "depth" to the team.. Wanting to add someone for depth to the team typically means a more veteran player.
Depth means not being totally dependent on Taeja and Hero to win. What does that have to do with a veteran player?
On October 04 2012 04:40 TheButtonmen wrote: Hopefully not a Korean.
because...?
Because I'm not a fan of TL because of the quality of their players, I'm a fan because of the team atmosphere and community involvement. They already have two faceless korean mercenaries (Zenio/Taeja) who I'm not fans of, I'd prefer they pick up a foreigner rather then adding another Korean simply so they can attempt to ride Taeja through GSTL.
Why is Hero not included. ?????
Hero has does interviews, we hear random stories about hero from other members of liquid, Hero shows personality. We've gotten to know Hero as a person.
They aren't going to look for more depth in the department of Protoss less than a day HerO get's knocked out of GSL it's kind of a kick in the teeth to him really. Definitely will be Terran, and probably one from SlayerS as they are pretty much about to fold (or so that's what i'm led to believe by the current situation)
If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
If foreign teams will still carry their "commercial / "family-team" trend sc2 will follow the same route like BW.
Koreans will get super bored of the West and kespa will just give a **** about us. BW players are already declassing former GSL champs after 3 months of practise ... good job. Sc2 was a little playground of B-Teamer. Now the real RTS geniuses will tke place in the scene.
Success > familyteams polly pocket 10 year barbiepartys
Just get 1-2 more good players and Liquid atleast has an existence chance in higher rounds of tourneys. Taeja is definately able to compete with everybody. Hero just cot outclassed and outplayed in every element of the game by SKT1 Rain today -> GL TLO......
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
does the transfer restriction even apply to foreign teams?
On October 04 2012 04:40 TheButtonmen wrote: Hopefully not a Korean.
because...?
Because I'm not a fan of TL because of the quality of their players, I'm a fan because of the team atmosphere and community involvement. They already have two faceless korean mercenaries (Zenio/Taeja) who I'm not fans of, I'd prefer they pick up a foreigner rather then adding another Korean simply so they can attempt to ride Taeja through GSTL.
Why is Hero not included. ?????
Hero has does interviews, we hear random stories about hero from other members of liquid, Hero shows personality. We've gotten to know Hero as a person.
Zenio is quite a character too.
I agree with you on Taeja.
But give the kid some time, its not always
easy to assimilate into the group where a majority of the members
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
omg....
should that happen, I d be fucking heartbroken....
no.. please T_T. Thats prob worst case scenario for me
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
omg....
should that happen, I d be fucking heartbroken....
no.. please T_T. Thats prob worst case scenario for me
Don't worry, that guy is pretty clearly talking out of his arse.
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
does the transfer restriction even apply to foreign teams?
Nope, it was an agreement between eSF and KeSPA. TL (and SlayerS btw) are not part of eSF.
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
omg....
should that happen, I d be fucking heartbroken....
no.. please T_T. Thats prob worst case scenario for me
Yea not doubt that this would be super sad but..
NOW the RTS kings have arrived. SK T1 Rain outclassed and outplayed Hero in EVERY element of the game today...If eve hero, whos second best player of TL by far, gets just crushed. What will happen to our TLO?
This 10year old polly pocket barbie pillowfight partys are over... Success > this stuff
Kespa is just able to carry sc2 for their own again if the foreign scene will not react.
The BW guys are already bashing former GSL champs with ease. Its not this Kespa hyping its just simply true. They are better after 3 months of practise than "our heros" after 2 years
If you are a progamer you wanna make money even if you arent that super damn successfull. Even HuK were Sc2 and TL probably changed his life left them. TL was a second family for him...
You really think a Taeja or a Hero will stay? Throwing away offers with 2x amount of the money? Declaining invites of "real" teams like KT,SKT bla?
I highly doubt that... its just all about the success and all about the money. BW-team practise > Gom/foreign practise -> Taeja will even get much much more better
Thats not just for TL... its for every team. Get players which can score results!!!! If Flash Jaedong blah get enough practise they will be way way way more better when you screw up your time with commercials. Nobody wanna use the 2nd or 3rd class players to promote his products ,they wanna have the top ones!!!!! If you dont get any results you will even not get any sponsorships anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So damn it change sth...
On October 04 2012 06:57 Steelavocado wrote: I am guessing Luci and Vortix.
I don't think so.. Apparently VortiX was contacted by EG and he did turn down the offer, so I don't think any Liquid offer would could make him reconsider. I think they want to keep going to the university instead of turning to full time pros.
On the other hand, it would be freaking amazing if they did!
I'm betting Beasty's screwing with everyone, and it's going to be a "relatively unknown" Korean Terran. MMA allegedly is commanding too much money, and they didn't want to pay Genius, so it just doesn't make sense for it to be him.
Morrow's also a possibility, but Nazgul could have just been using the word tomorrow in, well, it's regular context.
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
omg....
should that happen, I d be fucking heartbroken....
no.. please T_T. Thats prob worst case scenario for me
Yea not doubt that this would be super sad but..
NOW the RTS kings have arrived. SK T1 Rain outclassed and outplayed Hero in EVERY element of the game today...If eve hero, whos second best player of TL by far, gets just crushed. What will happen to our TLO?
This 10year old polly pocket barbie pillowfight partys are over... Success > this stuff
Kespa is just able to carry sc2 for their own again if the foreign scene will not react.
The BW guys are already bashing former GSL champs with ease. Its not this Kespa hyping its just simply true. They are better after 3 months of practise than "our heros" after 2 years
If you are a progamer you wanna make money even if you arent that super damn successfull. Even HuK were Sc2 and TL probably changed his life left them. TL was a second family for him...
You really think a Taeja or a Hero will stay? Throwing away offers with 2x amount of the money? Declaining invites of "real" teams like KT,SKT bla?
I highly doubt that... its just all about the success and all about the money. BW-team practise > Gom/foreign practise -> Taeja will even get much much more better
Thats not just for TL... its for every team. Get players which can score results!!!! If Flash Jaedong blah get enough practise they will be way way way more better when you screw up your time with commercials. Nobody wanna use the 2nd or 3rd class players they wanna have the top ones!!!!! If you dont get any results you will even not get any sponsorships anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So damn it change sth...
I'm sorry but I think the philosophy of TL was never "let's get all the best players so we can win everything". There's a lot of character that goes into decisions. And to be honest, I love TL precisely because of the family. I honestly don't care if Hero could've beaten Rain or not. I just wanted to see Hero play. TL really gave him a chance to shine and he's getting better and better. I'd rather not have TL focus all on winning.
Having said that, if Sen could somehow sign with TL, that would be actually sick. Sen's an awesome personality to have on a team, especially TL. But they have so many Zergs already T.T
They couldnt even afford him if they sell every player they have, getting 24/7 streams with 10k viewers nonstop commercials... This guys in earning 300k each year xD
On October 04 2012 07:09 frezMki wrote: pffff LiquidFlash xD pffff
They couldnt even afford him if they sell every player they have, getting 24/7 streams with 10k viewers nonstop commercials... This guys in earning 300k each year xD
I don't think it's gonna be Morrow, he didn't played any tournament at all during 2012, and besides his IEM win, he didn't scored any impressive achievement. Plus, it's hard to tell what is his level right now, he's playing only HotS, which is still in beta, and he's relearning a race (which means he's way behind in term of skills) so to me, atm it's not a good choice.
Pick up fucking STING. I swear to god I will be so upset if they don't pick him up. he has such a positive attitude, despite his situation.
And he's just extremely meticulous about the way he prepares and plays vs opponents in tournaments, on top of his excellent fundamentals and game sense.
On October 04 2012 06:45 frezMki wrote: If they wanna have depth in their team there is no doubt thats ITS NOT a Zerg....
atm there are no super solid free agents,,, EU terrans makes no sense since they are the worst of all.
So it will be an EU/KR Toss or KR terran. Other decisions would barely make sense...
With all respect to Haypro and Jinro, but it shouldn't be hard to fill this gap with a player getting ANY results....Haypro even proofed everybodys suspicion that he even barely practises (Take interview).
Liquid should start to get efficient players not "family-like" ones. As soon as Taeja will get an offer of ANY BW-Team with shitloads an money his gone. Should be really boring for a player to solo-carry a team day in day out and be the only terran too.
Liquid is just living through Hero and Taeja..
In 1/2 year this transfer restriction between GOM and kespa ends -> cya Taeja,cya Hero if there will not be a competitive lineup in TL
omg....
should that happen, I d be fucking heartbroken....
no.. please T_T. Thats prob worst case scenario for me
Yea not doubt that this would be super sad but..
NOW the RTS kings have arrived. SK T1 Rain outclassed and outplayed Hero in EVERY element of the game today...If eve hero, whos second best player of TL by far, gets just crushed. What will happen to our TLO?
This 10year old polly pocket barbie pillowfight partys are over... Success > this stuff
Kespa is just able to carry sc2 for their own again if the foreign scene will not react.
The BW guys are already bashing former GSL champs with ease. Its not this Kespa hyping its just simply true. They are better after 3 months of practise than "our heros" after 2 years
If you are a progamer you wanna make money even if you arent that super damn successfull. Even HuK were Sc2 and TL probably changed his life left them. TL was a second family for him...
You really think a Taeja or a Hero will stay? Throwing away offers with 2x amount of the money? Declaining invites of "real" teams like KT,SKT bla?
I highly doubt that... its just all about the success and all about the money. BW-team practise > Gom/foreign practise -> Taeja will even get much much more better
Thats not just for TL... its for every team. Get players which can score results!!!! If Flash Jaedong blah get enough practise they will be way way way more better when you screw up your time with commercials. Nobody wanna use the 2nd or 3rd class players they wanna have the top ones!!!!! If you dont get any results you will even not get any sponsorships anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So damn it change sth...
I'm sorry but I think the philosophy of TL was never "let's get all the best players so we can win everything". There's a lot of character that goes into decisions. And to be honest, I love TL precisely because of the family. I honestly don't care if Hero could've beaten Rain or not. I just wanted to see Hero play. TL really gave him a chance to shine and he's getting better and better. I'd rather not have TL focus all on winning.
Having said that, if Sen could somehow sign with TL, that would be actually sick. Sen's an awesome personality to have on a team, especially TL. But they have so many Zergs already T.T
I know thats this isnt their philosophy.. but it should become theirs....nobdy will cae about TL's team in 1 year if they arent able to compete with the top class
As soon as Korea is isolated again because foreigners will becomes roll-overs and koreans are pissed to even wake up for a 3-0 against them everybody whines again Sc2 becomes serious business dude... Which companies are succesfull? The fuc*** big ones where succes and money is playing the big role... not the little family 1$ shops
This comparision is just true in 1 year if the western teams will not change sth...
how much money do the Kespa teams really have? I know they have big Korean sponsors but how much money could they throw at someone like Taeja?
I've always been under the impression that they have the big names behind them but not much cash... they don't pay their lower-tier players a dime, right?
If Liquid is intent on investing in the future, and Morrow is investing a ton of time into HotS, it makes perfect sense, assuming he can be a top player when HotS comes out. He can be afaik.
On October 04 2012 07:15 Ansinjunger wrote: If Liquid is intent on investing in the future, and Morrow is investing a ton of time into HotS, it makes perfect sense, assuming he can be a top player when HotS comes out. He can be afaik.
top player in what sense? the foreign scene? possibly. The global scene? Uhh nope not when the koreans transition to hots fulltime
No one expected fucking STING to do anything during his TSL4 run: he was teamless, he was one of those invisible Korean Terrans out there that people didn't really care about. And yet round after round, he showed his skill and his complete focus on making it as far as he could. Each interview he gave just showed a player who wanted to make an impression on a foreign audience.
Liquid, support this man and give him a chance to show what he's capable of. Sting has nothing right now but his mouse and keyboard ;;
Am I reading too much into the announcement have 'tomorrow' in it though?
I think so. I think it just means they're announcing it tomorrow. TL isn't EG.
I really think it has to be Elfi. nobody else stands out in my mind. In fact, when Nazgul posted in the DH Valencia thread, I wondered at the time, 'are they picking him up? Nazgul nearly never posts about random players like this'. Now they announce a pickup...
I mean, I guess a Terran would be more technically likely since they only have one Terran, but NonY is pretty inactive nowadays anyways, and I think Victor has said many times that they don't pick people up that way-- they just snag someone if the person and time is right, rather than say 'okay, we need a Terran, who should we get'. Besides, Morrow is zerg.
On October 04 2012 07:00 SKYFISH_ wrote: my money is on Sting
Very good choice, especially since he got so far in TSL 4!
yeah, iirc both hero and taeja mention in their interviews that they practice with him. he also streamed quite a bit a month ago and apparently he is pretty fucking good from what i saw
Liquid'Morrow sounds awesome. I loved watching Morrow in the early days of SC2 and it'd be awesome for him to show some strong games in HotS flying a liquid banner.
On October 04 2012 06:24 Dumbtruck wrote: If they recruit Scarlett I'm gonna take my Team Liquid pin and keycap and toss them into fire
eh, why?
I would get banned if I said what I really think, so I'm just going to say she doesn't fit into the team.
Don't panic. Liquid won't touch this thing... I hope Acer has contracted it for like 20years.
Its Sting... /END use your brains, guys.
Amazing you can function in the modern world as a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging bigot. Scarlett is a human being, not a "thing". Welcome to 2012 bud. Bigotry is pretty 1998.
All the talk about wordplay has gotten me hooked on the idea of Liquid`Morrow. Not too sure about his personality but I'm sure it matches Liquid standards. I approve! :D
On October 04 2012 07:38 Qikz wrote: I really, really hope it's Morrow.
I love watching him Stream HotS and it'd be so good for him to be on a great team <3333
That would be cool, really enjoying his HotS streams, and he always seems to be streaming when I'm looking for something to watch.
I hope he goes back full T in HotS.
He's no MVP (but who is?), but his Mech play really does make me want to get better with my mech in WoL.
He's using styles that I never thought of against zerg even without some of the hots things and watching him has given me soo many ideas. I love just how much he seems to enjoy playing the game too, some streamers it doesn't feel like that.
Speaking of which, he's started streaming so I know what I'll be doing until I wait for sleep time. :p
On October 04 2012 06:24 Dumbtruck wrote: If they recruit Scarlett I'm gonna take my Team Liquid pin and keycap and toss them into fire
eh, why?
I would get banned if I said what I really think, so I'm just going to say she doesn't fit into the team.
Don't panic. Liquid won't touch this thing... I hope Acer has contracted it for like 20years.
Its Sting... /END use your brains, guys.
Amazing you can function in the modern world as a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging bigot. Scarlett is a human being, not a "thing". Welcome to 2012 bud. Bigotry is pretty 1998.
Out of curiosity, why 1998? As to the topic at hand, my vote goes to TOP!
On October 04 2012 06:24 Dumbtruck wrote: If they recruit Scarlett I'm gonna take my Team Liquid pin and keycap and toss them into fire
eh, why?
I would get banned if I said what I really think, so I'm just going to say she doesn't fit into the team.
Don't panic. Liquid won't touch this thing... I hope Acer has contracted it for like 20years.
Its Sting... /END use your brains, guys.
Amazing you can function in the modern world as a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging bigot. Scarlett is a human being, not a "thing". Welcome to 2012 bud. Bigotry is pretty 1998.
Out of curiosity, why 1998? As to the topic at hand, my vote goes to TOP!
starcraft brought a revolution of intelligent thought to the world.
On October 04 2012 06:24 Dumbtruck wrote: If they recruit Scarlett I'm gonna take my Team Liquid pin and keycap and toss them into fire
eh, why?
I would get banned if I said what I really think, so I'm just going to say she doesn't fit into the team.
Don't panic. Liquid won't touch this thing... I hope Acer has contracted it for like 20years.
Its Sting... /END use your brains, guys.
Amazing you can function in the modern world as a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging bigot. Scarlett is a human being, not a "thing". Welcome to 2012 bud. Bigotry is pretty 1998.
Out of curiosity, why 1998? As to the topic at hand, my vote goes to TOP!
starcraft brought a revolution of intelligent thought to the world.
Ahh yes, the battle between Terran, Zerg, and Protoss truly put things in perspective, and hate was put aside in favor of solidarity in the face of galactic annihilation. Join arms, brothers and sisters, for the fight still rages on.
I'd think a terran on the team would be good, especially one with a good tvp, seeing how tvp is taeja's worst match-up (for whatever that's worth.). Don't really know any names for that function.
Isn't there this 14 year old GM-Terran from NA? (considering taking you talents from NA)
On a more likey point, it's going to be a more established player with some experience. I'd love to see MMA, but I'm pretty sure he won't join non-korean team, so we'll see.
Actually, that isn't that hard to imagine. Out of the BW pros that transitioned, Sea seemed to be grasping the idea of SC2 rather fast. And even though he was inconsistent in Proleague, I feel like he has a lot of potential.
The Terran played SsonLighT on stream in the playhem last night, spoke korean and was a Terran using Bumblebee's NA account.
Definitely a korean terran. Who it is I don't know. Didn't take the best engagements, but did multitask and drop well so I have no clue who it would be. It definitely wasn't Taeja playing in the playhem though. Definitely not.
Hm, Sea did not have the best record in the hybrid proleague, but on the other hand the hybrid proleague was a forgettable bastard of a league, so we can't really judge his skill. We'll see, if it is true of course.
On October 04 2012 08:04 Geo.Rion wrote: not another Korean please, Liquid needs faces more than it needs players who win many games
also the tweet might hint to MorroW, as many have noticed no doubt
Taeja and Hero are more popular than most foreigners.
And they both have faces.
Your point makes zero sense.
Hero has plenty of plenty, Taeja has almost none, Zenio is even worse. TL has really failed to help the fans connect with Taeja and Zenio.
Taeja has a huge fan base. Where have you been?
Taeja has one because he wins, nothing else if he started to lose every game he's just fade away. We don't know anything about Taeja the person, just his record.
Hm, too bad Liquid cant sign MMA cause of 'integrity' stance, although i bet MMA himself would surely join if not slayers. But Sea is great addition, nevertheless.
On October 04 2012 08:53 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hm, too bad Liquid cant sign MMA cause of 'integrity' stance, although i bet MMA himself would surely join if not slayers. But Sea is great addition, nevertheless.
If Slayers dies, he'll probably join Axiom. Him and Crank are bros. AxMMA also sounds sweet.
Godly at Proleague. Never was able to transfer his Proleague bonjwaness to OSL/MSL. If you had to compare him to a SC2 player's career, it would be Bomber.
He's also only 22, which is quite young when he's been playing for seven years. Very good player if he transitions well.
He was an amazing Proleague player, and showed a lot of great play, but always crumbled when it came to OSL or MSL. He was that kind of player that was expected to when a Starleague sooner or later, kind of like Bomber.
On October 04 2012 08:04 Geo.Rion wrote: not another Korean please, Liquid needs faces more than it needs players who win many games
also the tweet might hint to MorroW, as many have noticed no doubt
Taeja and Hero are more popular than most foreigners.
And they both have faces.
Your point makes zero sense.
Hero has plenty of plenty, Taeja has almost none, Zenio is even worse. TL has really failed to help the fans connect with Taeja and Zenio.
Taeja has a huge fan base. Where have you been?
Taeja has one because he wins, nothing else if he started to lose every game he's just fade away. We don't know anything about Taeja, just his record.
It would help if he streamed ladder like hero does, except Taeja doesn't stream for purpose of having his practice studied by other players.
Taeja did stream in the past. It was during the time when he won nearly every ESV weekly tournament. His ladder stream was the best and most entertaining I have watched and it was what made me a fan of him. He offraced and randomed a lot and still crushed top Korean Terrans with funny Protoss builds ;-)
If TL signs Sea...TL would instantly become my 2nd favorite team after Rolster Sea[Shield] has been a veteran in sc:bw and a top 15 Kespa players for 5+ years until the recent 2011-2012 PL Season. It would make sense because he has extremely good reputation as been an amicable and friendly person (one of the few koreans Khaldor remains close to on Facebook) and has been open to the foreign scene for a while.
With Sea, you have veteran leadership, an extremely solid Terran behind Taeja once he catches up (at least his mechanics/positioning is ridiculously good) although...the implication that T8 Might be derailing is a bit demoralizing.
On October 04 2012 09:00 CygnusAres wrote: Erm, I didn't follow BW too much, but who is better in team 8? Baby or Sea?
Sea is the veteran, Baby is the up and coming. SC2 wise, it's clearly baby. Sea has more accolades and formerly the Ace of MBCGameHero so he provides leadership
The sc2news guy who posted that thread about Sea joining Liquid has made some eerily accurate posts in the past. His "news from Korea indicates" has almost always been true despite coming out a bit before the official announcements.
Sea joining Liquid would be the coolest thing ever, though. Wasn't he close enough to some Liquid people that he appeared on a BW Team Liquid Attack back in the day?
In a dream world it would be Grubby (+ Cassandra for videos considering how lacking european video coverage is) as he has everything Liquid look for in a person and player. And in this perfect world he'd bring his sponsors with him to Liquid. I mean who wouldnt wanna be affiliated with Liquid.
If not Grubby then hope its some type of foreigner to keep the balance in the team.
On October 04 2012 08:04 Geo.Rion wrote: not another Korean please, Liquid needs faces more than it needs players who win many games
also the tweet might hint to MorroW, as many have noticed no doubt
Taeja and Hero are more popular than most foreigners.
And they both have faces.
Your point makes zero sense.
Hero has plenty of plenty, Taeja has almost none, Zenio is even worse. TL has really failed to help the fans connect with Taeja and Zenio.
Taeja has a huge fan base. Where have you been?
Taeja has one because he wins, nothing else if he started to lose every game he's just fade away. We don't know anything about Taeja the person, just his record.
uh in any sports winning is the most important factor to being really popular. you can have a so called great personality but no one would take you seriously if you don't win.
so your point about him fading away if he lost, yea it happene to anybody.
On October 04 2012 08:56 GunPaladin wrote: Long time coming. Does Liquid have any plans to expand into Dota since they are now covering it?
That would be awesome, but can TL afford 5 guys and a team manager if this Sea rumor is true?
Given Liquid's mentality towards team building, I would think so.
Given the recent success of LIquid with IPL Hero and Taeja ripping it up in GSL and some increased traffic with Dota2 on their site.. Paired with the retirement of Jinro and Haypro They probably have a little bit of a bank opened up to sign a new player or two.
my guess is either one of slayers (no MMA though, he will follow boxer to SKT imo) or morrow? but his lack of recent results is not very convincing although his personality fits great to Liquid´s philosophy.
On October 04 2012 08:56 GunPaladin wrote: Long time coming. Does Liquid have any plans to expand into Dota since they are now covering it?
That would be awesome, but can TL afford 5 guys and a team manager if this Sea rumor is true?
Given Liquid's mentality towards team building, I would think so.
What does liquid's mentality towards team building have to do with being able to afford $$$ a dota team?
Nazgul has always said that he views Liquid as a group of friends rather than just a team. So he won't recruit based on results alone. They have to also mesh well. With that sort of thinking it is my belief that acquiring a top dota team wouldn't be big priority, but instead assembling a collection of players who are dedicated to getting better and growing under the liquid brand.
On October 04 2012 08:56 GunPaladin wrote: Long time coming. Does Liquid have any plans to expand into Dota since they are now covering it?
That would be awesome, but can TL afford 5 guys and a team manager if this Sea rumor is true?
Given Liquid's mentality towards team building, I would think so.
What does liquid's mentality towards team building have to do with being able to afford $$$ a dota team?
Nazgul has always said that he views Liquid as a group of friends rather than just a team. So he won't recruit based on results alone. They have to also mesh well. With that sort of thinking it is my belief that acquiring a top dota team wouldn't be big priority, but instead assembling a collection of players who are dedicated to getting better and growing under the liquid brand.
You could have just said finding players who will play for cheap.
On October 04 2012 09:07 eviltomahawk wrote: The sc2news guy who posted that thread about Sea joining Liquid has made some eerily accurate posts in the past. His "news from Korea indicates" has almost always been true despite coming out a bit before the official announcements.
Sea joining Liquid would be the coolest thing ever, though. Wasn't he close enough to some Liquid people that he appeared on a BW Team Liquid Attack back in the day?
As far as i know, yes. Especially with Manifesto. (And Nazgul?)
Not to mention, Sea did tweet to Mani on august 21st that there might be good news "next month". So who knows if he meant joining Liquid all along.
..why add a Zerg there is 4! Sheth, Zenio, TLO, and Ret.. They have 2 Protoss. Tyler and Hero. They have one Terran. Teaja! I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a Terran.
On October 04 2012 08:56 GunPaladin wrote: Long time coming. Does Liquid have any plans to expand into Dota since they are now covering it?
That would be awesome, but can TL afford 5 guys and a team manager if this Sea rumor is true?
Given Liquid's mentality towards team building, I would think so.
What does liquid's mentality towards team building have to do with being able to afford $$$ a dota team?
Nazgul has always said that he views Liquid as a group of friends rather than just a team. So he won't recruit based on results alone. They have to also mesh well. With that sort of thinking it is my belief that acquiring a top dota team wouldn't be big priority, but instead assembling a collection of players who are dedicated to getting better and growing under the liquid brand.
You could have just said finding players who will play for cheap.
Sea going to Liquid would actually make the most sense of any player, though I'm not really aware of how his contract(if there is any) with Kespa 8 works.
If Taeja and Sea are both in the same team, (as long as Sea is as good at SC2 as he was at BW) doesn't that make Liquid pretty much unbeatable in teamleagues? (outside of Proleague since the BW teams are awesome in teamleagues) O_O
On October 04 2012 09:34 Calypso123 wrote: ..why add a Zerg there is 4! Sheth, Zenio, TLO, and Ret.. They have 2 Protoss. Tyler and Hero. They have one Terran. Teaja! I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a Terran.
Let's be honest here, Tyler aint getting results and isn't exactly helping HerO in competitive practice.
On October 04 2012 09:54 Whisperkill wrote: Sea going to Liquid would actually make the most sense of any player, though I'm not really aware of how his contract(if there is any) with Kespa 8 works.
Yeah! Liquid always likes to get up and coming players and Sea is undoubtedly one of them. HerO was extremely talented but had no tournament experience/results and now look at him! TaeJa was sick good but had little tournament experience and looked shaky in his play.
On October 04 2012 09:34 Calypso123 wrote: ..why add a Zerg there is 4! Sheth, Zenio, TLO, and Ret.. They have 2 Protoss. Tyler and Hero. They have one Terran. Teaja! I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a Terran.
Let's be honest here, Tyler aint getting results and isn't exactly helping HerO in competitive practice.
You underestimate Tyler's strategical mind and experience.
I would be absolutely amazed if, after all these years, Liquid got to pick up Sea! Even if it isn't and it's simply rumors, I am simply excited that Nazgul has decided to pick up another player for the team especially after Jinro and Haypro sadly retired.
I'm certain that whatever player that Liquid has chosen, it will certainly be welcomed by all the community members! (Hopefully)
If this really is Sea[shield], I will be really happy. One of the first BW pros to connect with foreign fanbase, always had a big potential, just couldn't break through. I also saw him post in goodbye BW blog, could be a sign?
Btw. I hope Manifesto is still around, he could be pretty happy about it I still remember how he introduced Sea vs Stork game in some Blizzard tourney and he called Sea by his real name with his manly voice, was awesome
On October 04 2012 02:14 Wampaibist wrote: return of huk!!!!
tad optimistic here...
I think they have all bases covered with guns for each race, ie Hero, Zenio and Taeja. Ret and Sheth almost ensure the next pick up will not be Z. Im forgetting everyone else on the team unfortunately, but I can' think of any P/T that they have (jinro retired) so they may pick up a strong T, potentially code S level ( I have no idea how much $$ TL has floating around)
On October 04 2012 10:33 fortheGG wrote: Thought it would be a teamless korean, would be awesome if it was Sea. He really needs to get his progaming career back on track.
Could this mean the formation of a Liquid team in GSTL?
They did play in GSTL last season but they got knocked out in the preliminaries.
On topic, If it is Sea that would be amazing :D i like Sea alot and the name is perfect
Holy shit, one of the best Terrans to have ever played BW and the Terran with arguably the most potential (albeit unfulfilled) aside from Flash and BaBy.
I told you guys it's korean terran played on bumblebee account last na playhem but you didn't believe me. His style didn't really fit with Taeja and bumblebee is player manager so it made me think that way before Viktor even tweeted abour recruiting...
On October 04 2012 10:01 TBone- wrote: I think it would be interesting to pick up a kespa player.
That would be really cool actually. Maybe Effort, love his crazy aggressive style with Zerg, we never see anything like that.
lol ya we do, you have been watching to much Euro games
lol no I haven't actually :D. Can't say I've seen anyone else own up with a nydus bust like Effort did to Maru. That was a very unique and fun timing attack.
On October 04 2012 08:53 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hm, too bad Liquid cant sign MMA cause of 'integrity' stance, although i bet MMA himself would surely join if not slayers. But Sea is great addition, nevertheless.
MMA wouldn't join even if TL offered imo. MMA is just as conscious of the scandal (involving Taeja, Slayers, and Liquid) as much as the other members of Slayers.
On October 04 2012 10:54 ne4aJIb wrote: If it is true, that the new player is Sea, does it mean that Kespa 8 team disbanded?
Same question here. Sea is currently under KeSPA. His case is different from Boxer, Nada, July, ForGG. So I'm very curious what happened or what will happen to Team 8.
On October 04 2012 10:54 ne4aJIb wrote: If it is true, that the new player is Sea, does it mean that Kespa 8 team disbanded?
Sea did mention on his facebook few days ago that its time for him to get serious again. Either it means he went back to practice mode or trying harder in a new team.
What I can say, however, is EffOrt went back to practice house pretty recently, slightly later than the date Sea posted his status.
On October 04 2012 10:54 ne4aJIb wrote: If it is true, that the new player is Sea, does it mean that Kespa 8 team disbanded?
Same question here. Sea is currently under KeSPA. His case is different from Boxer, Nada, July, ForGG. So I'm very curious what happened or what will happen to Team 8.
The deal was between KeSPA and eSF. Not with all foreign teams.
On October 04 2012 10:54 ne4aJIb wrote: If it is true, that the new player is Sea, does it mean that Kespa 8 team disbanded?
Why would it mean Team8 dispanded? Sea has pretty close relations and friends with TeamLiquid members, Team 8 has been struggling to find a sponsor(s) for a long time and Sea has been in a Kespa team for years, so why not join with something new.
There's arguments to be made for some TSL4 folks and unsigned Koreans, but the gut decision is I'd love to see Grubby on TL. KESPA guys would be cool, but I don't think I'd get behind them so much, Grubby is already a known variable in the foreigner scene as an awesome guy.
On October 04 2012 11:10 Snorkels wrote: There's arguments to be made for some TSL4 folks and unsigned Koreans, but the gut decision is I'd love to see Grubby on TL. KESPA guys would be cool, but I don't think I'd get behind them so much, Grubby is already a known variable in the foreigner scene as an awesome guy.
I never really saw the hype of Sea in BW. I guess he was good at Proleague? It would be really interesting if he was the new recruit though. I wouldn't mind.
Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Off the top of my head it could..... be an issue with money and time zones for clan wars, tourneys, etc that they said that : \
On October 04 2012 11:16 TechNoTrance wrote: I wasn't big into BW, and have never heard of Sea, but I am interested to see what he can do.
Sea is someone a BW fan might call...maybe, one of the best BW pros to have never won a major tournament (along with Midas and a couple others)? Not as dominant in the last couple years of BW but was still solid imo?
If you guys didn't know... sea[shield] has a history with liquid back in the bw days, he was involved with our community (2008-2009-ish?). He even went on TL attack. Very appropriate signing if it is indeed him.
On October 04 2012 11:16 TechNoTrance wrote: I wasn't big into BW, and have never heard of Sea, but I am interested to see what he can do.
Sea is someone a BW fan might call...maybe, one of the best BW pros to have never won a major tournament (along with Midas and a couple others)? Not as dominant in the last couple years of BW but was still solid imo?
You forgot Iris.
Sea was notable not just because he was good but never won an individual title, but because he put up incredible results in Proleague and then flamed out wicked early in the MSL/OSL. Like, Ro16 early.
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
On October 04 2012 11:16 TechNoTrance wrote: I wasn't big into BW, and have never heard of Sea, but I am interested to see what he can do.
Didnt sea drop out of top 25 of bw for the first time in like 6-7 years this year? I remember there was a huge deal about it..
Sea's equivalent is Bomber. He usually rips apart Team Leagues, former Ace, solid is all match ups. But he was never successful in individual, and the definition of choker. I don't think he's made it past ro8, despite all his success.
Sea's struggled in sc2..so there's some worry about that..but the mechanics..he definitely has.
Sea is someone a BW fan might call...maybe, one of the best BW pros to have never won a major tournament (along with Midas and a couple others)? Not as dominant in the last couple years of BW but was still solid imo?
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
No, this was around the time Genius signed with Slayers (just a few months ago). Genius talked about getting rejected publicly in an interview, which forced Liquid to respond and give why their turned down Genius.
On October 04 2012 08:53 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hm, too bad Liquid cant sign MMA cause of 'integrity' stance, although i bet MMA himself would surely join if not slayers. But Sea is great addition, nevertheless.
MMA wouldn't join even if TL offered imo. MMA is just as conscious of the scandal (involving Taeja, Slayers, and Liquid) as much as the other members of Slayers.
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
No, this was around the time Genius signed with Slayers (just a few months ago). Genius talked about getting rejected publicly in an interview, which forced Liquid to respond and give why their turned down Genius.
Why did they turn him down? I can't remember now lol
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
No, this was around the time Genius signed with Slayers (just a few months ago). Genius talked about getting rejected publicly in an interview, which forced Liquid to respond and give why their turned down Genius.
Why did they turn him down? I can't remember now lol
I believe it was said that TL wasn't looking for any more Koreans.
Tbh, revealing in a public interview the team(s) that turned you down is annoyingly unprofessional.
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
No, this was around the time Genius signed with Slayers (just a few months ago). Genius talked about getting rejected publicly in an interview, which forced Liquid to respond and give why their turned down Genius.
Why did they turn him down? I can't remember now lol
I believe it was said that TL wasn't looking for any more Koreans.
Tbh, revealing in a public interview the team(s) that turned you down is annoyingly unprofessional.
Agree with that. It makes team less willing to negotiate in good faith if one has a history for publicizing confidential issues.
On October 04 2012 11:40 Bagration wrote: Hmm, didn't Liquid say they weren't interested in adding more Koreans though? If so, I'm glad they are reversing on that decision, since I personally think rejecting someone just because they are Korean is utter bullshit.
Maybe they reconsidered since Zenio has been a pretty big bust.
No, this was around the time Genius signed with Slayers (just a few months ago). Genius talked about getting rejected publicly in an interview, which forced Liquid to respond and give why their turned down Genius.
Why did they turn him down? I can't remember now lol
I believe it was said that TL wasn't looking for any more Koreans.
Tbh, revealing in a public interview the team(s) that turned you down is annoyingly unprofessional.
In any case, Genius has a reputation for being lazy during practice, and I don't think TL would ever recruit someone with such a reputation.
Personally, I wish Firebathero would forget casting and join...
On October 04 2012 08:53 NightOfTheDead wrote: Hm, too bad Liquid cant sign MMA cause of 'integrity' stance, although i bet MMA himself would surely join if not slayers. But Sea is great addition, nevertheless.
MMA wouldn't join even if TL offered imo. MMA is just as conscious of the scandal (involving Taeja, Slayers, and Liquid) as much as the other members of Slayers.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
You can just make a new thread now that the speculation is gone,
TL probably has their own huge front page article ready to go to announce it, though.
Wonder if they are pissed about having their big news leaked early?
I don't think It's a huge deal, it can be the new worst kept secret in esports for another 12-18 hours and then they print it. Not everyone will see this thread anyway, although it is at the top of Reddit.
On October 04 2012 12:29 GTR wrote: A Korean ESPORTS news site (Daily ESPORTS) called up KeSPA for a phone interview and they have confirmed that Sea has left Team 8 for Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
On October 04 2012 12:48 RezChi wrote: Poor Nazgul, was probably going to make a HUGE announcement haha
I'm glad it got leaked before TL announced it because I'm sick of teams doing announcement of announcements, so serves them right to have someone break it before they make it official if they want to drag it out.
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
On October 04 2012 12:52 TAMinator wrote: Is SEA popular in BW scene? Hopefully they explain who he is when they announce him
Yea, he's quite well known here because he was one of the only korean pros, let alone TOP korean pros (at the time) who interacted with the foreign community. He was on TLAttack, and did lots of interviews, etc. He fits into the team atmosphere nicely.
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
On October 04 2012 12:52 TAMinator wrote: Is SEA popular in BW scene? Hopefully they explain who he is when they announce him
Sea was also a Good player in BW I think he was top 30(?) for the majority of his career. Just always seemed to choke/die out in individual leagues. Never really got his break out tournament, A perfect pick up for Teamliquids stance of recruiting players then helping them achieve more. With his Mechanics I can see him taking down a Foreign tournament or two....
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
I don't really think Sea is a make or break a sponsorship deal kind of player. Not when T8 still has Jaedong anyway. but it is true him leaving could hurt chances of getting a sponsor, but seeing as they couldn't find one the whole time he was there I don't think that is a factor.
On October 04 2012 13:00 LighT. wrote: I just realized this is the first korean to jump to a non-kespa team who managed to take more than 1 game off of flash o.o...
I wonder if they just made an exemption for Sea or if there's something serious going on in T8 team house..
M18M's in light he has 66% win rate against flash.
On October 04 2012 13:00 LighT. wrote: I just realized this is the first korean to jump to a non-kespa team who managed to take more than 1 game off of flash o.o...
I wonder if they just made an exemption for Sea or if there's something serious going on in T8 team house..
On October 04 2012 13:00 LighT. wrote: I just realized this is the first korean to jump to a non-kespa team who managed to take more than 1 game off of flash o.o...
I wonder if they just made an exemption for Sea or if there's something serious going on in T8 team house..
Silly to use that as a gauge of any measurement though because their peaks were at different times (Sea's before Flash's).
I remember attributing Sea's decline, in my head, to a bad team atmosphere at MBC. Hopefully, it's something easy to fix like that and not loss of motivation or whatever.
So happy to see TL going after some real talent. Who do you think is going to benefit more from this though, Taeja or Sea? Either way, TL Terran lineup is boss.
On October 04 2012 13:00 LighT. wrote: I just realized this is the first korean to jump to a non-kespa team who managed to take more than 1 game off of flash o.o...
I wonder if they just made an exemption for Sea or if there's something serious going on in T8 team house..
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
big player? are you stuck in 2007-2008 or something? No disrespect to Sea because I liked him as a player but he has been irrelevant since mbc disbanded.
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
big player? are you stuck in 2007-2008 or something? No disrespect to Sea because I liked him as a player but he has been irrelevant since mbc disbanded.
sadly sea's dropped off so far now, I'm really surprised liquid picked him up...
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
big player? are you stuck in 2007-2008 or something? No disrespect to Sea because I liked him as a player but he has been irrelevant since mbc disbanded.
sadly sea's dropped off so far now, I'm really surprised liquid picked him up...
You guys didn't know Sea and teamlquid have a huge connection? He frequently comes on here.....
not to be a downer, but even in recognizing his history with tl sea has been playing lackluster for quite some time, and picking him up after the recent transition seems a little off to me
but i trust teamliquid knows best, hope everything works out, fighting !
On October 04 2012 12:44 Jaaaaasper wrote: Told you aeri, glad to see it confirmed. Kespa is going to be pissed, brace for backlash.
I don't see Kespa being that mad to be honest.... Probably not thrilled about Sea going to a Non kespa team. But he was on T8 the team they are currently funding with no sponsors correct? So that a decent Salary they now longer have to pay...
This is kespa, they don't like their players going to other teams. If they hate the idea of players going to esf, how are they going react to foreign teams picking up kespa pros. Reason and tolerance are not kespa's virtues.
True it is Kespa, but I would imagine they'd be happier about him going to a Foreign team then to esf really. Not about reason or Tolerance either, it's about money which they don't have. Not having to pay Sea+ The chance to try and put up a good image to the newer foreign fans in the sc2 scene will imo override any chance of backlash.
I'm not saying they would be happy about about. I'm merely saying they aren't going to be pissed and that I doubt we will see any backlash.
they lose a big player which could bring some great sponsor. that is why they will not be happy. it can only mean bad news if sea leave the boat
big player? are you stuck in 2007-2008 or something? No disrespect to Sea because I liked him as a player but he has been irrelevant since mbc disbanded.
sadly sea's dropped off so far now, I'm really surprised liquid picked him up...
You guys didn't know Sea and teamlquid have a huge connection? He frequently comes on here.....
what makes you think we (or I) didnt know? What has that got to do with what I said?
Team 8's Sea will be transferring over to Team Liquid, an overseas team.
An eSports associate called Daily eSports on October 4th and stated that "In order for Sea to pursue his overseas dream, they have allowed him to transfer." Sea will be the second KeSPA player that switched over to a overseas team. The first being Sson (M18M).
Sea was already in good terms with Team Liquid players from back in the MBC HERO days, and so it was revealed later on that he had officially been accepted.
Team Liquid is an overseas pro gaming team that is being run by former pro gamer Victor Goosens. TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
The associate stated that "Sea wanted to experience being in an overseas team before having to join the army. Therefore, we had no desire to deny his wish to transfer."
Sea has a record of 10-6 in the SC2 division for SK Planet ProLeague tournament, where he was the backbone for Team 8 along with BaBy. Losing Sea will inevitably mean that Team 8 will have to suffer through a heavy loss.
For people who don't know, Sea was a legitimately good BW player (one of the very top on MBC [/MBSea]) for a long time, but choked hard in individual leagues. He was well ahead of players like MVP/MC, and also better than forgg apart from the brief time when forgg won the MSL and seemed good. Of course this stuff means less with the KeSPA teams having made the switch, but there is no doubt that among the non-KeSPA teams he is now one of the best from BW.
He was one of the first and only Koreans to interact with TL when the Korean scene was very insulated and our exposure mostly consisted of Artosis doing a news show and once in a while releasing a video (like following ret or nony to courage, or meeting up with idra or tasteless), or rekrul posting some sensationalist vague hints at the Korean scene (I miss those). Sea even did a quite good TL attack with the help of a translator at a time where people where lucky to find replays of pros.
He has not been that good for quite some time now (at least a year, probably closer to 2). However he has been having team troubles with his old team disbanding, and his new team having a hard time finding sponsors and generally not seeming like the best practice environment. This may well explain Sea's drop in results.
If Sea still has the motivation, then I have no doubt he can become a top player again.
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
They were only specifying what Korean players there are on TL. I understand where you're coming from though, it would have been nice to list the entire current roster.
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
They meant specifically korean players, not people playing in korea/korea trained etc.
Wow, Sea is one of my all-time favorite players. I always used to root for him in the BW days (as long as he wasn't playing Jaedong, of course!) This is so cool!
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
Tyler and TLO are pretty much B teamers considering the Korean talents Liquid is having.
Why is there speculation on who it is.. isn't he just saying he thinks the team needs a little more right now? I mean, I would feel the same especially if jinro and haypro just retired
On October 04 2012 14:24 JerKy wrote: Why is there speculation on who it is.. isn't he just saying he thinks the team needs a little more right now? I mean, I would feel the same especially if jinro and haypro just retired
there isn't speculation it's practically confirmed who it is
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO, No love for them
Tyler and TLO are pretty much B teamers considering the Korean talents Liquid is having.
Sheth and Ret are pretty much the B teamers. Tyler and TLO aren't at their level, although I wish they were.
On October 04 2012 13:05 SupLilSon wrote: So happy to see TL going after some real talent. Who do you think is going to benefit more from this though, Taeja or Sea? Either way, TL Terran lineup is boss.
How has Sea been doing in SC2? Haven't heard a lot of hype about him recently.
God, please not a Terran. And I really hope it's not Morrow. I am starting to.like Liquid . . . if it's anyone but NaNiwa or Genius, I'll be extremely disappointed. By FAR the best teamless players right now, and it isn't even close. They're both proven in live events, even the GSL (truest test of skill in SC2), unlike Sting, who just had a lucly run in some online event before being crushed.
On October 04 2012 14:50 JackReacher wrote: God, please not a Terran. And I really hope it's not Morrow. I am starting to.like Liquid . . . if it's anyone but NaNiwa or Genius, I'll be extremely disappointed. By FAR the best teamless players right now, and it isn't even close. They're both proven in live events, even the GSL (truest test of skill in SC2), unlike Sting, who just had a lucly run in some online event before being crushed.
Edit: Nice job, Liquid. /sarcasm
Why do you enjoy looking like an utter twat? At least be right with your idiocy, Naniwa has a personal sponsorship and Genius is on Slayers.
TL's current Korean roster consists of TaeJa, Zenio, and HerO. Since TL has only one Terran player in TaeJa, Sea transferring over can only mean that Liquid's roster will receive an upgrade.
We still have Ret and Tyler and TLO and sheth, No love for them
Tyler and TLO are pretty much B teamers considering the Korean talents Liquid is having.
On October 04 2012 14:50 JackReacher wrote: God, please not a Terran. And I really hope it's not Morrow. I am starting to.like Liquid . . . if it's anyone but NaNiwa or Genius, I'll be extremely disappointed. By FAR the best teamless players right now, and it isn't even close. They're both proven in live events, even the GSL (truest test of skill in SC2), unlike Sting, who just had a lucly run in some online event before being crushed.
Edit: Nice job, Liquid. /sarcasm
You clearly know nothing about Liquid if you thought that was even a remote possibility that Naniwa would be considered, even if he wanted to join Liquid for free (no salary).
On October 04 2012 14:50 JackReacher wrote: God, please not a Terran. And I really hope it's not Morrow. I am starting to.like Liquid . . . if it's anyone but NaNiwa or Genius, I'll be extremely disappointed. By FAR the best teamless players right now, and it isn't even close. They're both proven in live events, even the GSL (truest test of skill in SC2), unlike Sting, who just had a lucly run in some online event before being crushed.
On October 04 2012 14:50 JackReacher wrote: God, please not a Terran. And I really hope it's not Morrow. I am starting to.like Liquid . . . if it's anyone but NaNiwa or Genius, I'll be extremely disappointed. By FAR the best teamless players right now, and it isn't even close. They're both proven in live events, even the GSL (truest test of skill in SC2), unlike Sting, who just had a lucly run in some online event before being crushed.
Edit: Nice job, Liquid. /sarcasm
You understand that Genius is on a team right? He is most certainly SlayersGenius...
On October 04 2012 15:47 Quochobao wrote: I would hope that the friendly atmosphere of TL can tame Naniwa :D I always feel like this intense personality is hindering his breakthrough somehwat.
So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
On October 04 2012 15:58 Mordanis wrote: So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
Because... get this... there are people inside esports that get news before it hits twitter. Crazy... i know
Sea was one of the few Korean progamer than in Bw was connected with the community. Sea is friends with Lilsusie as well, so I think Sea is a perfect fit.
100% confirmed he'll be on Liquid. They are probably getting the press release ready since it was leaked. I'm sure they had a plan when to announce it but now they are forced to announce it sooner lol
Team 8's Sea will be transferring over to Team Liquid, an overseas team. [...]
This part confuses me. Isn't liquid a European team? There's no sea between South Korea and Europe? How does this work? Can anyone please enlighten me?
[edit] Having been a Sea fan until I stopped caring, this is really exciting news.
On October 04 2012 15:58 Mordanis wrote: So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
Because... get this... there are people inside esports that get news before it hits twitter. Crazy... i know
I get that, it's just weird that Liquid was beat to the punch. Either Sea is actually 100% on Liquid or this is speculation, however plausible. Liquid could just be waiting, I just don't know why they would be.
Team 8's Sea will be transferring over to Team Liquid, an overseas team. [...]
This part confuses me. Isn't liquid a European team? There's no sea between South Korea and Europe? How does this work? Can anyone please enlighten me?
[edit] Having been a Sea fan until I stopped caring, this is really exciting news.
Overseas pretty much means "out of the country, far away" in this case. And technically, if you travel from Seoul to Europe, you will go over the Yellow Sea.
On October 04 2012 16:12 Big-t wrote: Never heard of Sea. Was he a good sc1 player or what? Please en-light me^^
Sea was pretty much S class tier when it came down to team league matches... but he couldnt get over his mental hurdle of going past ro16 in individual leagues..
On October 04 2012 15:58 Mordanis wrote: So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
Because... get this... there are people inside esports that get news before it hits twitter. Crazy... i know
I get that, it's just weird that Liquid was beat to the punch. Either Sea is actually 100% on Liquid or this is speculation, however plausible. Liquid could just be waiting, I just don't know why they would be.
Perhaps because tonight is Taeja's big night? I think they just wanted the focus to be on Taeja and his Ro8 appearance tonight. He and HerO do extra well with support.
On October 04 2012 15:58 Mordanis wrote: So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
Well, the site literally called up KeSPA who gave them a direct response about Sea and Liquid. The rumors were already flying around beforehand, so it was only a matter of time before someone got solid info from the officials.
Sea was ridiculous. Really good SC:BW Pro (way better than NesTea, MMA, MC, etc... were). I've had dinner / wine with him in Korea, super friendly / nice guy as well. He speaks some english and is the type of player and person the TL community would appreciate. I've spoken to him recently and he is 100% focusing on SC2 atm. If TL got Sea, I would never root against them.
Interesting pick up. Hopefully this guy can live up to expectations and really shine in both Korean and foreign tournaments. Strong Liquid line up = sexy time.
On October 04 2012 16:12 Big-t wrote: Never heard of Sea. Was he a good sc1 player or what? Please en-light me^^
Sea was pretty much S class tier when it came down to team league matches... but he couldnt get over his mental hurdle of going past ro16 in individual leagues..
Sounds awesome, I hope he can prove himself like HerO and Teaja =)
This is a huge pick up by Nazgul . Sea is really a hardworking proffesional . This is the second player i'll root for in TL after Ret . Sea does seem to get fewer chances in PL and individual leagues nowadays so i think it's a good move for him . It would suck for Team 8 and i hope that they can also do well in the future .
Interestingly, that would bring Liquid roster to 2 Shield clan members, perhaps opening up a possibility to sign more in the future, possibly a certain Protoss player?
On October 04 2012 15:58 Mordanis wrote: So is it pretty much guaranteed to be Sea? I'm confused about how a korean esports site could have an article on this without any sort of tweet or news update regarding him from TL. Regardless, Liquid Hwaighting!
Because... get this... there are people inside esports that get news before it hits twitter. Crazy... i know
I get that, it's just weird that Liquid was beat to the punch. Either Sea is actually 100% on Liquid or this is speculation, however plausible. Liquid could just be waiting, I just don't know why they would be.
Perhaps because tonight is Taeja's big night? I think they just wanted the focus to be on Taeja and his Ro8 appearance tonight. He and HerO do extra well with support.
Sounds very plausible... and it seems like he is 100% on Liquid hehe
On October 04 2012 16:31 Talin wrote: Interestingly, that would bring Liquid roster to 2 Shield clan members, perhaps opening up a possibility to sign more in the future, possibly a certain Protoss player?
On October 04 2012 16:40 tomatriedes wrote: LiquidSea, how appropriate. Next they'll have to acquire Rain!
Has Liquid ever acquired players, which seemed to be at their best shape or close to it? Rain is playing super good at the moment and many rate him as (one of) the best koreans right now. Liquid chose to get all of their players when they weren't that good yet.
On October 04 2012 16:40 tomatriedes wrote: LiquidSea, how appropriate. Next they'll have to acquire Rain!
Has Liquid ever acquired a gamer, which seemed to be at their best shape or close to it? Rain is playing super good at the moment and many rate him as (one of) the best koreans right now. Liquid chose to get all of their players when they weren't that good yet.
Wouldn't know about that, but I know that the goal of Team Liquid is to make a player more successful than they were before they joined.
On October 04 2012 16:12 Big-t wrote: Never heard of Sea. Was he a good sc1 player or what? Please en-light me^^
Sea was pretty much S class tier when it came down to team league matches... but he couldnt get over his mental hurdle of going past ro16 in individual leagues..
On October 04 2012 16:57 Gamegene wrote: So fucking weird. He's been playing at a professional level for nearly a decade now, yet he won't even be the oldest on the team.
I'm kind of worried that he won't be as motivated to play, just because progaming that long can really burn through your spirit.
It's a new game. New team. Gets to travel around the world and meet thousands of fans.
On October 04 2012 16:57 Gamegene wrote: So fucking weird. He's been playing at a professional level for nearly a decade now, yet he won't even be the oldest on the team.
I'm kind of worried that he won't be as motivated to play, just because progaming that long can really burn through your spirit.
It's a new game. New team. Gets to travel around the world and meet thousands of fans.
Still, looking at NaDa, BoxeR, and kind of July, they just had outbursts of passion, and eventually all just sort of burned out.
It's not a fair comparison because they've already had their glory, but still you can't help but wonder if a person can really keep playing for so long without getting a little weary.
On October 04 2012 16:57 Gamegene wrote: So fucking weird. He's been playing at a professional level for nearly a decade now, yet he won't even be the oldest on the team.
I'm kind of worried that he won't be as motivated to play, just because progaming that long can really burn through your spirit.
It's a new game. New team. Gets to travel around the world and meet thousands of fans.
Still, looking at NaDa, BoxeR, and kind of July, they just had outbursts of passion, and eventually all just sort of burned out.
It's not a fair comparison because they've already had their glory, but still you can't help but wonder if a person can really keep playing for so long without getting a little weary.
Yeah, I agree. It is a fair comparison too, in terms of length of career etc. Then again, if anything can reinvigorate Sea at this point, it is a move like this, and Liquid staff are usually on the ball when it comes to evaluating players overall and they've probably seen something more than a former Proleague legend in him.
A few months ago they turned down Genius and said they're not looking to sign another Korean player, so one can only hope they've seen something promising enough to make them change their mind.
That said, I wouldn't expect too much either, maybe a solid team league winrate and occasionally qualifying for individual leagues.
On October 04 2012 16:57 Gamegene wrote: So fucking weird. He's been playing at a professional level for nearly a decade now, yet he won't even be the oldest on the team.
I'm kind of worried that he won't be as motivated to play, just because progaming that long can really burn through your spirit.
I think this has been discussed before the signing and he will not lack motivation. I'd love to see how his training with Taeja will go.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Wait a minute. It is not "another" korean. It is a MBCGameHero's Sea. One of the best terrans in period of 2006-2011. A guy who was on TL attack (and even posted on TL forum) way back in a days when proscene and progamers seemed to be from another world. Even if he washed out, this is A class player from KeSPA, he know how things are done.
Wow, like so many people here, I have a huge soft spot in my heart for Sea. Even with his history as one of the few BW pros to really interact with the foreigner scene, it's still unreal imagining him on Team Liquid.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
On October 04 2012 17:49 zdfgucker wrote: How is this transfer (if it's not a hoax) possible? I thought there is a trade lock, or is only between Korean teams?
Trade lock is between KeSPA and eSF teams, not foreign teams
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
I think it's less about countries, and more about the fact that Koreans just seem a little colder and distant because of the language barrier and the relatively higher skill they posses.
Whoa Sea motherfucking Shield! He was incredibly good back in the day, a Power Rank regular, Proleague beast, and best player never to have made it far in an individual league. I remember when he out-multitasked 3 people in team melee when he played on TL Attack! A Korean progamer interacting with Teamliquid and the foreign community was completely unheard of. I'm sure he'll be more entertaining to have on the team than Taeja and Hero, no offense.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
You will like Sea quite a bit. He has a real nice personality and is really passionate. I still remember that one game this past hybribad proleague when Jaedong held on a 10 pool all in from Soulkey with 15 hatch, where Sea just stood up intensely watching how his teammate Jaedong will hold.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
There is bigger cultural disconnect between Asia and West than it is for America and Europe. I think its pretty standard stuff, isn't it?
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
You did not ask me but since I am a German, too, I like to reply. I identify with any human who is decent. But I do so as a human, not as a German. "As a German" is a non sequitur.
On October 04 2012 17:56 CrazyBirdman wrote: Regardless of what you think of such a pick-up, the name LiquidSea is most likely the most fitting name for any TL player ever.
I just realized that. Wow.
Worried about T8's roster next season...perhaps that GSTL-Proleague interaction league will actually become a reality.
I love Sea <3 oh my this is such a brilliant transfer!!!!!!!!
SC2 guys, you can trust me, I know BW players. Sea was probably relatively cheap (not cheap cheap, but not like let's say Roro expensive) because his results have been a little bit lackluster recently. But there was quite a bit of compulsive bad luck involved. he is so fucking talented. Macro? Micro? Strategic thinking? All high level. And such a cool guy. In terms of talent for the buck this was the best fucking deal ever (well, after Taeja) GJ TL!!!
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
If you'd like to get to know Sea a bit better (and even catch some MC, MKP, Ret and Artosis cameos) you should really consider watching Hyungjoon Becomes a Progamer.
On October 04 2012 17:58 Fenrax wrote: holy shit is this true???
I love Sea <3 oh my this is such a brilliant transfer!!!!!!!!
SC2 guys, you can trust me, I know BW players. Sea was probably relatively cheap (not cheap cheap, but not like let's say Roro expensive) because his results have been a little bit lackluster recently. But there was quite a bit of compulsive bad luck involved. he is so fucking talented. And such a cool guy. In terms of talent for the buck this was the best fucking deal ever (well, after Taeja) GJ TL!!!
really amazing job
If TL menages to make Sea a top tier player again i will suriously put TL just behind KHAN for that alone
Watching Sea kinda not deliver in last seasons was painful. And he is a guy you don't want to see lose. You cannot not like him.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
I think it's less about countries, and more about the fact that Koreans just seem a little colder and distant because of the language barrier and the relatively higher skill they posses.
pretty much this exactly. I am sure the players have an awesome personality and crack dumb jokes all the time. But I don't understand them, so they feel more distant to me. Pretty much all of the foreign scene is centered around english, so it is more easy for me to identify with them.
My sympathy goes from personal favorites, countrymen to foreigners in general, and I think this is true for many people in the community.
And yes, Sea might be an awesome dude, but there has no foreign addition to TL since sheth over a year ago, with 3 guys leaving the team since then, Nony being mostly inactive too. I really would like to see some new foreign guy cracking up the scene.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
I think it's less about countries, and more about the fact that Koreans just seem a little colder and distant because of the language barrier and the relatively higher skill they posses.
pretty much this exactly. I am sure the players have an awesome personality and crack dumb jokes all the time. But I don't understand them, so they feel more distant to me. Pretty much all of the foreign scene is centered around english, so it is more easy for me to identify with them.
My sympathy goes from personal favorites, countrymen to foreigners in general, and I think this is true for many people in the community.
And yes, Sea might be an awesome dude, but there has no foreign addition to TL since sheth over a year ago, with 3 guys leaving the team since then, Nony being mostly inactive too. I really would like to see some new foreign guy cracking up the scene.
Alright so u don't think the same about Hero, TaeJa and Zenio as u do with Ret, TLO sheth etc ?
Imo it doesnt matter at all if they are korean or not, sure the language barrier will always be there but i actually like the koreans more than the foreigners because you can really see how much they are trying to communicate with the fans.
(not that i dont like the foreigners in liquid its just that u can see how hard they work and tries to be as good as possible)
Screw this language barrier rubbish. Its the results that count, look at Taeja and Hero, they have a shit tonne of fans and they cant speak much English. Infact these were 2 guys who spoke Spanish to the crowd in Valencia not too long ago, making them love them even more. And in Liquid's case, it seems they want a genuine personality too, and from what I've read from his history, he seems to meet that criteria too. Sorry but if you want those out there "bad-ass" personalities who like to entertain by putting down others, Liquid is the wrong place to look for that. EG is where you will find that.
Also, people seem to forget this, but Sea was one of the most open players in Korea, and even participated in a TL Attack. Also, MBC players have always been the most non-korean of all, they don't have this super shy attitude and the "please cheer for me, I'll show great games" attitude.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
Wow, he didn't want liquid to sign another Korean and all this? take it easy guys, lets all enjoy Starcraft.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
On October 04 2012 18:55 grobo wrote: Sea even registered an account a year or so ago, he was always very friendly with the foreigners during the big international events. Very likeable!
On October 04 2012 18:55 grobo wrote: Sea even registered an account a year or so ago, he was always very friendly with the foreigners during the big international events. Very likeable!
On October 04 2012 17:55 Scorch wrote: Whoa Sea motherfucking Shield! He was incredibly good back in the day, a Power Rank regular, Proleague beast, and best player never to have made it far in an individual league. I remember when he out-multitasked 3 people in team melee when he played on TL Attack! A Korean progamer interacting with Teamliquid and the foreign community was completely unheard of. I'm sure he'll be more entertaining to have on the team than Taeja and Hero, no offense.
That team melee game was amazing. That whole TL Attack was amazing.
On October 04 2012 19:39 Nirel wrote: Liquid all-ready has a very deep and wide T line up with great success they need P or Z
Thats true. Not sure if they need yet another Terran. They already have Taeja, PirateTerran, MoustacheTerran and Taeja.
You forgot LiquidSucksBallsWithoutMe.
Seriously though, Welcome Sea if it's you! Hope you have a great time on Liquid and I seriously can't wait for the next teamleague to come around, Liquid the unstoppable teamleague team <3
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
So racism is okay if your country of heritage hasn't been historically involved in such matters?! Wow... Well I just want the best player to win and if the Koreans have the best conditions/training regiments to be the best, why should I not root for them?! Nothing hinders foreign teams to do so as well... This foreigner bias is at least as much retarded as a lot of people around here seem to be... I mean, please re-read your post and confirm that you mean what you just wrote there... Really... Seriously?!?!
People really need to stop saying racism when that's not what's going on. Its not racist to say that the lower degree of fan interaction that most Korean players have with fans puts you off. Would it be racist for me to say that i am really interested in the american election, but not really in the French, German, or Indian elections? Thats almost entirely because its far easier to follow something in a language you understand. However, it would be racist if someone was a big quantic fan, but refused to support illusion because hes not white, which isn't at all what is going on. I'm using him as an example, but you could also give the example of Violet, who has a pretty decent fan base, and a large part of that is down to the fact that he can speak English pretty well. its just less easy to draw comparisons to a teamless player, because its much harder to say that the only difference is race. Im pretty sure illusion is american, or at least has lived there most his life, but i dont think that affects the main point Misusing the term does nothing to prevent racism, and if you know that half the time someone calls racism its not, then actually calling someone like destiny out becomes much harder, and its much easier for people to pretend they didn't do anything wrong, or are the victim of some hateful smear campaign.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
So racism is okay if your country of heritage hasn't been historically involved in such matters?! Wow... Well I just want the best player to win and if the Koreans have the best conditions/training regiments to be the best, why should I not root for them?! Nothing hinders foreign teams to do so as well... This foreigner bias is at least as much retarded as a lot of people around here seem to be... I mean, please re-read your post and confirm that you mean what you just wrote there... Really... Seriously?!?!
where, how, what, lol. how in the hell did you conclude that from my post? point was that racism is non-issue, and when you're not overly sensitive about the issue, you tend to make the right calls. in example, you don't call something out that actually is not racist. like situation right here. you attack that chinese american dude very harshly, and you don't even know him. now you do the same thing to me, throwing around label "retarded" at the majority of the community (european WCS finals viewer numbers, take a hint)............
you should at least try to come off as civil, even if you don't agree that it's easier for non-koreans to relate with non-koreans in a korean-dominated game. you also didn't adress the issue of rooting for chinese (in Code A) or non-korean-trained koreans (d.select) when they play against korean-trained players, which doesn't even touch on your personal opinions which you are entitled to have, but does show that you calling that guy out as racist is just wrong.
I didn't actually know that Liquid was in the process of recruiting someone new, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised since 2 guys just retired. If anyone, I was expecting a Liquid Supernova because he lives in the Liquid team house (apartment) in Korea.
As for Huk, pretty sure Nazgul said that he still liked Huk as a friend, but as Team Liquid's manager, he wouldn't put him back on the team because he left for another one that paid more.
For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
I never expected Liquid Sea :D Either way, the roster is now half Korean!
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
Holy moly! thats a lot of money for someone not on top of his play.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
On October 04 2012 17:23 Ramuh wrote: Not another korean :/
Not another racist imbecile.
This has absolutely nothing to do with racism....It's just that I can't "identify" myself enough with the korean players. They in general are very unrecognizable to westerners, even though he probably is good and all that.
I never get that. As a german how can your identify yourself more with an American then a Korean?
Being white helps. I'm not being sarcastic at all. Race is a large factor. I'm Chinese American (born in America) and I identify more with the bigger Koreans than most American players. The culture is just so incredibly different. America and Germany have cultures more similar than Germany and Korea.
Never heard bigger BS, but I guess that's sort of "standard" around the internet... I as (caucasian/white) German can identify myself much more with Korean players than American ones. Why?! Because of the cultural barrier? Fuck, no, because they provide the best StarCraft e-sports has to offer. And by the way, while the German culture seems to be further assimilating to the American culture (anglicisims, social behavior etc.), following this "trend" bothers me...
dude, you need to relax.
with all the foreigners vs koreans talk that we've been "brainwashed" from the dawn of time, how can you NOT relate more with non-koreans? and it has nothing to do with race. if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others. i root for Select (foreign korean) or Sen (foreign taiwanese) as much as i root for your random white guy, as long as their opponent is a korean-trained player. if that's racism, then i'm guilty...
edit: hell, i even rooted for the chinese when they got their Code A spots. yeah, that's so racist :p
So racism is okay if your country of heritage hasn't been historically involved in such matters?! Wow... Well I just want the best player to win and if the Koreans have the best conditions/training regiments to be the best, why should I not root for them?! Nothing hinders foreign teams to do so as well... This foreigner bias is at least as much retarded as a lot of people around here seem to be... I mean, please re-read your post and confirm that you mean what you just wrote there... Really... Seriously?!?!
where, how, what, lol. how in the hell did you conclude that from my post? point was that racism is non-issue, and when you're not overly sensitive about the issue, you tend to make the right calls. in example, you don't call something out that actually is not racist. like situation right here. you attack that chinese american dude very harshly, and you don't even know him. now you do the same thing to me, throwing around label "retarded" at the majority of the community (european WCS finals viewer numbers, take a hint)............
you should at least try to come off as civil, even if you don't agree that it's easier for non-koreans to relate with non-koreans in a korean-dominated game. you also didn't adress the issue of rooting for chinese (in Code A) or non-korean-trained koreans (d.select) when they play against korean-trained players, which doesn't even touch on your personal opinions which you are entitled to have, but does show that you calling that guy out as racist is just wrong.
have a nice day...
"if your country has historical issues with racism, that's your deal. don't force your collective shame on others." It's particulary this phrase which tipped me off, u know... While I agree that the term racism is a bit overused/misused in this context, I find it utterly important to be as sensitive to this as you can be (and that might as well come from my country's history, aside with our lack of patriotism, which is overall a good thing in our more and more globalized society). I'm no friend of this overdone political correctness thing, but it's a pretty small margin... Sorry for indirectly labeling you, I'm sometimes going a bit over the top with these things, but so much stuff you read on the web is just SO god damn stupid and ignorant and people don't even realize... That really hurts my brain! However, I want to apologize and thank you for making you point of view clear(er)
Have a nice day yourself and in the end it's all about StarCraft, ain't it?
EDIT: But I never called anyone around here a racist, just to make myself clear, it was more of a debate about problems with racism overall!
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
Stephano makes $96,000 a year, which is about $8,000 a month. Of course, Stephano is a foreigner, so he will get a higher salary (it sounds incredibly stupid, but let's face it, it is true).
That being said, one must remember that MMA is a 2 time GSL champion...
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
$4000 a month is like less that half of what Stephano is being paid at the moment.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
$4000 a month is like less that half of what Stephano is being paid at the moment.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
$4000 a month is like less that half of what Stephano is being paid at the moment.
Then he's super overpaid compared to what most pros get.
On October 04 2012 22:20 astray71 wrote: For Liquid MMA, I think the whole thing with Slayers and MMA was resolved.
According to Quantic's CEO Mark Ferraz he's still shopping around for a team and wants 4,000$ a month. Liquid might not want to pay that much. Most teams wouldn't.
WTH, $4000 per month, is this even possible for the best SC2 player right now? He's not even in code S any more.
$4000 a month is like less that half of what Stephano is being paid at the moment.
Then he's super overpaid compared to what most pros get.
Stephano's salary is also still just a rumor, same goes for idra/huks. All koreans think that foreigner get way more money then they actually do, so they ask for way more than any normal foreign team could offer, it's really common.
On October 05 2012 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: There seems to be no official announcement still... Even though no one denies it and we have multiple sources of confirmation, including lilsusie even
On October 05 2012 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: There seems to be no official announcement still... Even though no one denies it and we have multiple sources of confirmation, including lilsusie even
On October 05 2012 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: There seems to be no official announcement still... Even though no one denies it and we have multiple sources of confirmation, including lilsusie even
On October 05 2012 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: There seems to be no official announcement still... Even though no one denies it and we have multiple sources of confirmation, including lilsusie even
On October 05 2012 12:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote: There seems to be no official announcement still... Even though no one denies it and we have multiple sources of confirmation, including lilsusie even
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