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On October 06 2012 00:31 jdsowa wrote:
I'm 32 years old. I basically stopped playing games around the time BW came out, so I never played it back then. It's just an especially bad looking game. It looks dated even compared to games from that time period. It's impossible to follow the grainy graphics. I can't see how a new generation of kids are going to pick-up on this after SC2. Sorry.
Why does BW have to be either "Completely dead" or "2007 levels"? Why is there no room for an in-between option with maybe like 200,000 fans worldwide? That is not an absurd number of fans to have.
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Mybe yes maybe not.
I wont stop me from playing it thou :D.
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Not in perhaps the way you're asking. Even with huge investment, no. Sad though that may be.
If huge investment had come at the start of 2012, then I'd have said maybe. Not definately, since the path to transition was already being debated behind closed doors then, but maybe.
The problem really is that we've literally just gone through the process of killing it all off. The last tournaments run, players playing the game at a minimal level for months on end and now playing a new game entirely, sponsors have invested a lot in new equipment etc for some of the teams to allow them to play a new game. Likely any sponsor discussions/contract signings in the last few months have been tailored around SC2 going forward to. So what's basically happened is that the infrastructure that supported and powered BW has been sold off.
To take a real world example, it's like the notion that the UK Coal Industry will be revived. There are a lot of arguments for it, but it's just too late. A structural process was gone through to kill off and bury the industry - how would you restart it now? You've no pits, no machinery, no workforce. It would take an enormous amount of money to even get you started, and no return would be seen for years. Basically the same situation.
Once you've gone down a path of infrastructure destruction/removal, there is generally no turning back. That entire process is a means of ensuring that no-one can change their mind. It's often a very deliberate choice for that reason, as I have no doubt it was for KeSPA.
That's not to say there couldn't be tournaments setup and run, maybe even Korean ones, but the heights of professional BW (even the lesser heights of 2012 whilst the transition to SC2 was ongoing) won't be coming back - nor will a regular pro-scene, where tournaments (like OSL and Proleague) are run at regular intervals throughout a year. It's really too late now.
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Does there need to be a pro-scene for people to enjoy BW? Why can't people just play BW for the pleasure of playing it? In other words, for the same reason most people play most games.
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On October 06 2012 02:29 Lordanubis wrote:
Not in perhaps the way you're asking. Even with huge investment, no. Sad though that may be.
If huge investment had come at the start of 2012, then I'd have said maybe. Not definately, since the path to transition was already being debated behind closed doors then, but maybe.
The problem really is that we've literally just gone through the process of killing it all off. The last tournaments run, players playing the game at a minimal level for months on end and now playing a new game entirely, sponsors have invested a lot in new equipment etc for some of the teams to allow them to play a new game. Likely any sponsor discussions/contract signings in the last few months have been tailored around SC2 going forward to. So what's basically happened is that the infrastructure that supported and powered BW has been sold off.
To take a real world example, it's like the notion that the UK Coal Industry will be revived. There are a lot of arguments for it, but it's just too late. A structural process was gone through to kill off and bury the industry - how would you restart it now? You've no pits, no machinery, no workforce. It would take an enormous amount of money to even get you started, and no return would be seen for years. Basically the same situation.
Once you've gone down a path of infrastructure destruction/removal, there is generally no turning back. That entire process is a means of ensuring that no-one can change their mind. It's often a very deliberate choice for that reason, as I have no doubt it was for KeSPA.
That's not to say there couldn't be tournaments setup and run, maybe even Korean ones, but the heights of professional BW (even the lesser heights of 2012 whilst the transition to SC2 was ongoing) won't be coming back - nor will a regular pro-scene, where tournaments (like OSL and Proleague) are run at regular intervals throughout a year. It's really too late now.
I'm not sure its appropriate to compare BW to the british coal industry, which are two very different things, although it is probably true that BW won't ever come back to its heyday.
BW is still one of the most popular games played casually in internet cafes in Korea. Things like LoL and mmorpgs just dwarf it...
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If you're talking about professional BW, it's dead.
The introduction to SC2 killed off the foreigner professional scene since foreign pros obviously switched to it.
Kespa, OGN, and MBC killed off the Korean professional scene either because they preferred kpop or wanted to switch it to SC2.
Overall, BW isn't coming back, as said as it is and as much as I hate it.
Apparently even Koreans are falling into the "RTS is too hard" mindset, which is why MOBAs and RPGs are exploding over in South Korea. Like, I don't see SC2 becoming one of the country's biggest national sports like Brood War was.
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Very unlikely but I really hope it does someday soon
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On October 06 2012 06:24 white_horse wrote:
I'm not sure its appropriate to compare BW to the british coal industry, which are two very different things, although it is probably true that BW won't ever come back to its heyday.
BW is still one of the most popular games played casually in internet cafes in Korea. Things like LoL and mmorpgs just dwarf it...
Oh sure. I didn't mean that they were identical and closely linked, just that the situations are similar in that particular regard.
The coal industry was ushered out in pretty much the same way, leaving it next to impossible for it to ever come back viably as anything more than a small time individual mine basis. That's what I was trying to say also stands for BW now.
Maybe I could have found a better example, but that's the one that came to mind 
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On October 06 2012 00:31 jdsowa wrote:
It's impossible to follow the grainy graphics.
I think this is a minority point of view; most people find the large battles in BW easier to follow than in SC2.
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K-pop and lol was already hurting bw way more than sc2, sc2 was more like the last refugee than the bw killer ....
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Yes.
+ Show Spoiler +In hindsight all the doom and gloom back in 2012 is pretty hilarious considering where we are in 2017.
I hope this counts as a good reason to necro, raising the spirits on this forum a bit. We've come quite far in the last 5 years
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BW needs a league and regular player salaries still. Without that there's no new blood, and 2nd/3rd tier players are gradually going to gravitate toward other jobs or being "streamers" rather than progamers. The money is all concentrated at the top right now, and while this recent revival is awesome it still has a way to go.
BW FIGHTING
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I think tedster said everything there was to say. Althought the live stream tab looks very promising with flash, jaedong and other popular players getting constant +5000 viewers, the game still has many problems to overcome to comeback to it's former state (or somewhat close to it). We've come a long way tho.
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maybe with the HD version
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On January 09 2017 17:35 Garmer wrote:
maybe with the HD version
Any word on when that comes out?
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On January 08 2017 23:42 thezanursic wrote:Yes. + Show Spoiler +In hindsight all the doom and gloom back in 2012 is pretty hilarious considering where we are in 2017.
I hope this counts as a good reason to necro, raising the spirits on this forum a bit. We've come quite far in the last 5 years
I think there needs to be some leniency as BW necro'd itself.
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On January 09 2017 18:05 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 23:42 thezanursic wrote:Yes. + Show Spoiler +In hindsight all the doom and gloom back in 2012 is pretty hilarious considering where we are in 2017.
I hope this counts as a good reason to necro, raising the spirits on this forum a bit. We've come quite far in the last 5 years I think there needs to be some leniency as BW necro'd itself.
Heh, appropriate
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