EPTOn August 31 2012 22:40 Sayle wrote:
zimp, do you know who really killed JFK?
zimp, do you know who really killed JFK?
Send him some replays of Lee Harvey Oswald, then he will tell ya
Rush[Pain] = Bibiane ? - Page 9
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sheepdog
Russian Federation10 Posts
Send him some replays of Lee Harvey Oswald, then he will tell ya | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 31 2012 23:26 sheepdog wrote: Send him some replays of Lee Harvey Oswald, then he will tell ya As long as they're compatible with BW charts.. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On August 31 2012 22:38 Gecko[Xp] wrote: Completely aside from this ridiculous thread: if you are about to analyze replays, do you only compare hotkeys or are there different features you have a look at? Don't take this as offense, but since Pholon, Eywa, the OP and several other people made such a jalla-jalla about you being an expert, and given the general "atmosphere" of this thread I expected some fancy Sherlock-Holmes like deduction show deluxe, featuring lots and lots of screens (or at least 2-3) showing what you found out. The apparently OP made mistakes, but what should an amateur look for? Note: it's not related to the people the OP wants to have, but more a general question. Again, no offense, don't read anything bad into it. There is so much more than just hotkeys. Even watching replays looking at building placements, rally points, scouting patterns/timings, spam tendencies, hotkey assignment times are all helpful to consider. And this is just a few things there are so much more that I know I'm forgetting. Zimp and Romad are probably two of my favorite posters on TL period. I actually really miss broodwar iccup who's who threads and the hunt every season to find progamer smurfs. Sc2 doesn't have anything fun like that... | ||
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ENWL-Purple
Hungary32 Posts
On August 31 2012 22:40 Sayle wrote: zimp, do you know who really killed JFK? ssshhs zimp, dont tell for this guy the real truth, the big brother always seeing you' about the topic: for me agent zimp got the point about mca: i think he is a youngster, maybe with a low mental illness (/j) who did a mistake, but not that big to ban from the event .. why so serious? about ASL2: regarding about zimps comment, i wonder why you admins dont let my brother Breach to sign up for this event? if its true, this Rush guy' above C+, and he roll the previous season ladder stage with offrace, its a bit ridiculous. Someone think Breach is above this level too, but i dont think so, cuz he is practicing SC2 simultaneously. Thats true, may he start bw massplayin, then probably can get B or higher rank, but for him obviously SC2 much important in this times. So.. here is a few solutions (its not offensive, just my own opinion: i have eight years experience on esports and organising, and i have eleven years player career .. may iam not wrong) - if u guys let rush play, let breach too and vice versa if breach cannot participate, kick rush too' - kicking a young boy, because he harassing a bit, its not a wise choice. just talk with him, again and again, may he will grow up, like everyone else i wish you guys make a wise choice, to make a better and flexible event for us ya, ostrich policy fails ~ peace and a glass of wine' | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:05 ENWL-Purple wrote: ssshhs zimp, dont tell for this guy the real truth, the big brother always seeing you' about the topic: for me agent zimp got the point about mca: i think he is a youngster, maybe with a low mental illness (/j) who did a mistake, but not that big to ban from the event .. why so serious? about ASL2: regarding about zimps comment, i wonder why you admins dont let my brother Breach to sign up for this event? if its true, this Rush guy' above C+, and he roll the previous season ladder stage with offrace, its a bit ridiculous. Someone think Breach is above this level too, but i dont think so, cuz he is practicing SC2 simultaneously. Thats true, may he start bw massplayin, then probably can get B or higher rank, but for him obviously SC2 much important in this times. So.. here is a few solutions (its not offensive, just my own opinion: i have eight years experience on esports and organising, and i have eleven years player career .. may iam not wrong) - if u guys let rush play, let breach too and vice versa if breach cannot participate, kick rush too' - kicking a young boy, because he harassing a bit, its not a wise choice. just talk with him, again and again, may he will grow up, like everyone else i wish you guys make a wise choice, to make a better and flexible event for us ya, ostrich policy fails ~ peace and a glass of wine' thank You for support! I am a nice retarded guy so also will help Breach lost to me 1;2 in ysl ladder stage (he played his main race P). So common let him play, he can be more than c+ if i won vs him nice to see that not only i think that... | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
The point is no one is going to change their position. Even if the hotkeys are radically different, the people who believe they are separate people would not be swayed by such a small sample size, as they already have not. And on the other side, there are people who really REALLY want to believe in conspiratorial theories, and there is no way to change that. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
and sampe size had nothing with this case, its not survey measurement error | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
I told Shimy after the ladder stage not to allow Rush to play, because I watched some of his replays and he really looked like a B-/B ranked terran to me. I even told Shimy that Rush will win the tournament -.- But he wouldn't listen, so i quit the CAT because i didn't want to give my name for Rush's legitimized win. This - for me - says everything. I do not care that Shimy let him play and I do not jugde his decision at all, but letting him in for the second time is a bit over given his play in the last ASL. I do not know how much time people have spent watching replays, but I believe zimp is one of those who has most experience when it comes to this. If he says that this guy looks like a B-/B terran it probably has something to it. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to playing this and I hope someone can cheese Rush out of this tournament. Nothing personal to you, Rush, but this would give people a fighting chance at winning this instead of having a predetermined winner. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:03 hacklebeast wrote: I'll give you that some things here are suspicious, but not playing is very understandable and the right decision for all involved imo. An argument based off of a bunch of suspicious stuff is weak. Suspicion should only be used as an indicator that more digging should be done, and that's exactly what happened. Zimp's digging lead to tangible evidence that there was no foul play. And for this tangible evidence (which is the only thing I am considering when making the decision for myself) sample size absolutely does matter. ok done discussion with You | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:11 dr.shrinker wrote: Haha, isn't Rush signed for ASL2? I've thought so the entire time, but never actually checked. Fuck me. he is seeded already (Wands too), but now looks like he wouldnt play | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On September 01 2012 01:37 hacklebeast wrote: Honestly having the two play wouldn't solve anything. The people who want to believe bibiane smurfed will never be satisfied, and it's too east to invalidate the rep that was played. The point of having the two play would be to show how similar of hotkeys they have, but how similar is similar enough? "OH SHIT RUSH HAS 30% REDUNDANCY WHILE BIBIANE ONLY HAS 25% CLEARLY IT WAS BIBIANE WHO WAS PLAYING FOR RUSH ALL ALONG BECAUSE NOW THEIR REDUNDANCY ARE SO DIFFERENT!!!" And even beyond that, rush should lose to bibbiane, as bibbiane is a very talented player. How do we decide how close the game needs to be to show rush is playing to his potential? "OH SHIT RUSH GOT CRUSHED!!! CLEARLY HE WAS PLAYING BADLY BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO USE SOMEONE ELSE'S HOTKEYS!!!" Vice versa could also be claimed if bibiane was beaten, as there would be "no way that an a player could lose unless he was using someone else's hotkeys". The point is no one is going to change their position. Even if the hotkeys are radically different, the people who believe they are separate people would not be swayed by such a small sample size, as they already have not. And on the other side, there are people who really REALLY want to believe in conspiratorial theories, and there is no way to change that. You're wrong... The people who believe RuSh = Bibiane will always believe that regardless of evidence, the people who think RuSh =/= Bibiane will be swayed with proper evidence. With that being said, it's obvious that one side is terribly blind by some kind of hatred (probably because RuSh maybe shouldn't have been admitted to ASL... Not going to say true or false)... But anyway, I think the people who are so fixed on RuSh being the same player as Bibiane are just being childish in nature, to cling to an idea which is proven to be false... It's pretty terrible, I mean... Everyone who hates Bibiane for no apparent reason, please, 1) Go gather your evidence before posting (This was done) 2) Have it checked by an non-bias expert (check with a couple if you're not sure) to ensure the validity of your evidence (Was not done) 3) Write a clearly worded post about how this is evidence and why it's 100% (Was not done) 4) Bring up the issue with the highest organizers of the scene with concrete evidence and signature of the expert (Was not done) 5) Post if you have completed all of the above with 100% certitude then post on your own in a huge ass drama thread. Anything that resembles "I looked at it and it seems legitimate" or "This expert would agree if he saw it" simply doesn't make a legitimate thread to incriminate someone on. We're not living in medieval times when you can accuse someone of being a witch and they have to prove otherwise. So please, please, please, go through the required steps and your work will be acknowledged... As it stands, this thread has long overstayed it's due on teamliquid in my opinion and I hope that mods seriously take this post into account and put in regulations so that people can't just go on wacky witch hunts. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:15 krndandaman wrote: Lol I just want to throw this out there, but if Bibiane and Rush really do live within a meetable distance, there are so many more ways to cheat than just smurfing for the other player. Some "ideas": - Have one of them start the game and have the other take over later on. Since they have such similar hotkeys anyways it wouldn't really affect their play and I don't think people could tell that a different player switched over (Have Bibiane build up big advantage and let Rush finish. Or let Rush start it off and let Bibiane finish it with superior multitasking, macro, overall gameplay). -Have Bibiane watching over Rush's shoulder and tell him what to do/help him. This is a huge advantage as those who have done this with friends before should know (I've sure done it on iccup ladder before with D friends and helped them beat up to C- players). etc. Dunno why you guys are only considering the possibility of smurfing  Yeah, this was discussed... But having someone telling you to macro or micro or do whatever is not a punishable offence, there is no way of seeing it happen. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:04 dr.shrinker wrote: In my opinion the problem is not who RUSH is or isn't - it's the fact that he is clearly way too good for this tournament compared to both fellow participants and rank-wise - at least if he bothered playing 50~ games on ICCUP. Takes some of the fun away both from participants, viewers and even organizers I'd assume. Of course this adds some tension and drama which I would normally be found of, but in this case it's morel like .. meh, he'll just stomp his way to first place anyway - wonder who comes second. This - for me - says everything. I do not care that Shimy let him play and I do not jugde his decision at all, but letting him in for the second time is a bit over given his play in the last ASL. I do not know how much time people have spent watching replays, but I believe zimp is one of those who has most experience when it comes to this. If he says that this guy looks like a B-/B terran it probably has something to it. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to playing this and I hope someone can cheese Rush out of this tournament. Nothing personal to you, Rush, but this would give people a fighting chance at winning this instead of having a predetermined winner. Zimp was right about rush not playing in ASL2. I had a decent discussion with him last night, he decided not to play because he was being flamed by so many people. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:15 krndandaman wrote: Lol I just want to throw this out there, but if Bibiane and Rush really do live within a meetable distance, there are so many more ways to cheat than just smurfing for the other player. Some "ideas": - Have one of them start the game and have the other take over later on. Since they have such similar hotkeys anyways it wouldn't really affect their play and I don't think people could tell that a different player switched over (Have Bibiane build up big advantage and let Rush finish. Or let Rush start it off and let Bibiane finish it with superior multitasking, macro, overall gameplay). -Have Bibiane watching over Rush's shoulder and tell him what to do/help him. This is a huge advantage as those who have done this with friends before should know (I've sure done it on iccup ladder before with D friends and helped them beat up to C- players). etc. Dunno why you guys are only considering the possibility of smurfing cause faster i will see tities in church than 2 person with the same hk lol even if there are this 2 lucky guys with the same hk, pattern etc Bibian or Rush would just post a replay from a game with these two players and topic is over, but wait Bibiane wouldnt do that cause " i dont care" | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Don't worry about it if you don't get the reference. Except for you eywa. | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6978 Posts
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