EPTRush[Pain] = Bibiane ? - Page 8
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Pholon
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zimp
Hungary951 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351248 and compare them with Bibiane replays that are uploaded to iccup or random tournament events. http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/replays/search/advanced/go/?name=bibiane&map=&matchup=0 So I really checked through each replay carefully back then and here's what i found: Their basic hotkey pattern is very similar but there are a few small differences. (Rush uses 2 for buildings sometimes and he uses much more useless assigns. Plus their beginning 3cc spam is slightly different.) So i thought either they are different people, or Bibiane changes his keys a bit in order to look different (it is possible). But later on i closed this out because 1) if he really wanted to do that, he would have changed it more, and 2) i asked around canadian koreans and someone told me he knows them personally and they are different people, who play together. Did Bibiane smurf for Rush in ASL1? - Hotkey analysis showed me no. I have to add here though that i think Rush is too high level for a ~C rank starleague. He almost streamrolled though the ladder stage of ASL1 with his offraces, so he was always suspicious for me. All we knew about his previous ranks were this: 10-1 D+, 17-2 C-, 45-17 C. I told Shimy after the ladder stage not to allow Rush to play, because I watched some of his replays and he really looked like a B-/B ranked terran to me. I even told Shimy that Rush will win the tournament -.- But he wouldn't listen, so i quit the CAT because i didn't want to give my name for Rush's legitimized win. I'm not saying you should blame Shimy for this, i just mean he misjudged that situation. After ASL1 I actually asked Rush in PM about his real rank, and he told me he never reached above C+ but only because he never tried hard enough. So theoretically he met the requirements for that league but in practice, he shouldn't have been allowed to play. Sorry for giving that out but AFAIK Rush didn't sign in for ASL2 so its only about the past : ] | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:23 zimp wrote: ... Their basic hotkey pattern is very similar but there are a few small differences. (Rush uses 2 for buildings sometimes and he uses much more useless assigns. Plus their beginning 3cc spam is slightly different.) So i thought either they are different people, or Bibiane changes his keys a bit in order to look different (it is possible)... So only difrence is that Rush added some spam hotkeys. For me this thing speaks for smurfing.. if it was vicer versa then i should have little doubt... | ||
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aquados
Netherlands180 Posts
i am still a bit confused about zimp's post, so rush is not bibiane but is b- at skill but didn't tried to ladder to reach it? | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:48 aquados wrote: if i read it correctly we can go ahead and restart the disscusion (if i am correct) i am still a bit confused about zimp's post, so rush is not bibiane but is b- at skill but didn't tried to ladder to reach it? zimp didnt say it couldnt be Bibiane, from his words there is a possibility. He said how it looked back again. Only Bibiane can exonerates yourself by posting replay vs Rush, but i m sure he wouldnt do it... | ||
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:53 mca64[KDV] wrote: zimp didnt say it couldnt be Bibiane, from his words there is a possibility. He said how it looked back again. Only Bibiane can exonerates yourself by posting replay vs Rush, but i m sure he wouldnt do it... They're not the same person. They play 2v2s together. Give it up. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 31 2012 20:10 Pholon wrote: They're not the same person. They play 2v2s together. Give it up. i know, but in replay where two players has the same hks will prove that i am wrong | ||
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 31 2012 20:17 Pholon wrote: The onus isn't them though. i dont understand your logic. If someone is acused its his business to clear up, if that person doesant want to do it by posting one stuid replay.. that does not look suspicious? | ||
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zimp
Hungary951 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:46 mca64[KDV] wrote: So only difrence is that Rush added some spam hotkeys. For me this thing speaks for smurfing.. if it was vicer versa then i should have little doubt... On August 31 2012 19:53 mca64[KDV] wrote: zimp didnt say it couldnt be Bibiane, from his words there is a possibility. He said how it looked back again. Only Bibiane can exonerates yourself by posting replay vs Rush, but i m sure he wouldnt do it... Sometimes there is very small difference in hotkey between different players. I'd love to see a bibiane vs rush replay too, but from the info available now, i still think what i concluded back then. On August 31 2012 19:48 aquados wrote: if i read it correctly we can go ahead and restart the disscusion (if i am correct) i am still a bit confused about zimp's post, so rush is not bibiane but is b- at skill but didn't tried to ladder to reach it? exactly. ok well not exactly because i said he is ~B | ||
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
On August 31 2012 20:21 mca64[KDV] wrote: i dont understand your logic. If someone is acused its his business to clear up, if that person doesant want to do it by posting one stuid replay.. that does not look suspicious? I think you're actually a Polish smurf of Jaedong. Please provide a replay of you vs him to clear this up. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 31 2012 20:27 Pholon wrote: I think you're actually a Polish smurf of Jaedong. Please provide a replay of you vs him to clear this up. i dont train with him, i dont play 2v2 with him like Bibiane and Rush doeas. I wish i could do that with jd!  | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:23 zimp wrote: if he really wanted to do that, he would have changed it more This can be a misleading thought. When Koreans tried to change their pattern on iccup they changed only 1-2 keys, simply thinking it would be enough to trick everybody. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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Hyeon
Korea (South)462 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: btw is very simple. organize match bibiane vs rush[pain]  Didn't know that you were this smart | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 31 2012 20:53 roMAD wrote: I haven't checked the replays yet, but i am sure i won't tell more than zimp has already told. To be sure, you will need to provide their 2x2 replay or a 1x1 replay between them, otherwise it will be a close call and that's it. From: mca64[KDV] [ 114 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 8/29/12 23:12 his fingerprints are in replays. Analyzed in BWchart, bwrepinfo and BWhfagent. Clearly says its the same person. Its not possible to be diffrent person, you can ask romad and he will confirm. I found this pretty funny. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On August 31 2012 19:23 zimp wrote: When ASL1 was going i was part of the counter abuse team and this issue already came up so i spent quite some time figuring it out. I collected a lot of Rush and Bibiane replays: 20-30 from each, i even found ZvT of both and had smurf games as well. Plus Shimy sent me all of Rush's tournament replays for a check. I put them in 1 folder which i deleted after the tournament was over so unfortunately i can't share it with you. However if you want to check on your own, you can find a lot of Rush replays here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351248 and compare them with Bibiane replays that are uploaded to iccup or random tournament events. http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/replays/search/advanced/go/?name=bibiane&map=&matchup=0 So I really checked through each replay carefully back then and here's what i found: Their basic hotkey pattern is very similar but there are a few small differences. (Rush uses 2 for buildings sometimes and he uses much more useless assigns. Plus their beginning 3cc spam is slightly different.) So i thought either they are different people, or Bibiane changes his keys a bit in order to look different (it is possible). But later on i closed this out because 1) if he really wanted to do that, he would have changed it more, and 2) i asked around canadian koreans and someone told me he knows them personally and they are different people, who play together. Did Bibiane smurf for Rush in ASL1? - Hotkey analysis showed me no. I have to add here though that i think Rush is too high level for a ~C rank starleague. He almost streamrolled though the ladder stage of ASL1 with his offraces, so he was always suspicious for me. All we knew about his previous ranks were this: 10-1 D+, 17-2 C-, 45-17 C. I told Shimy after the ladder stage not to allow Rush to play, because I watched some of his replays and he really looked like a B-/B ranked terran to me. I even told Shimy that Rush will win the tournament -.- But he wouldn't listen, so i quit the CAT because i didn't want to give my name for Rush's legitimized win. I'm not saying you should blame Shimy for this, i just mean he misjudged that situation. After ASL1 I actually asked Rush in PM about his real rank, and he told me he never reached above C+ but only because he never tried hard enough. So theoretically he met the requirements for that league but in practice, he shouldn't have been allowed to play. Sorry for giving that out but AFAIK Rush didn't sign in for ASL2 so its only about the past : ] Completely aside from this ridiculous thread: if you are about to analyze replays, do you only compare hotkeys or are there different features you have a look at? Don't take this as offense, but since Pholon, Eywa, the OP and several other people made such a jalla-jalla about you being an expert, and given the general "atmosphere" of this thread I expected some fancy Sherlock-Holmes like deduction show deluxe, featuring lots and lots of screens (or at least 2-3) showing what you found out. The apparently OP made mistakes, but what should an amateur look for? Note: it's not related to the people the OP wants to have, but more a general question. Again, no offense, don't read anything bad into it. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
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