EPTRush[Pain] = Bibiane ? - Page 12
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P7GAB
Canada486 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
I think zimp's post summed it up pretty well. Perhaps mca's sentence was a bit rough but all in all, this is a nonissue imho at least, since Rush pulled out and they're definitely different people. As Lucky said, it really does look a bit suspicious but eh. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 01 2012 14:33 P7GAB wrote: i think the tournament admins are at fault, first they ban this dude randomly with bullshit excuse (blackmailing the league) then they allow rush to smurf the league even though zimp warned them about it? First, he might not have intended to blackmail, but his wording was inferring such a thing. You don't do something or else I will do this. That and he was warned before. Secondly, there was and still is no proof other than what we can see from those games that proves RuSh is higher than C+. He has no accounts higher than C+ and that's why he was admitted. Zimp merely warned that he might be above the C+ skill cap but there were no accounts to prove this. It was all speculation and really still is as RuSh is beatable. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
love this whole sherlocky feeling about it ! | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
but really, so glad it was reopened. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On September 01 2012 02:15 Eywa- wrote: You're wrong... The people who believe RuSh = Bibiane will always believe that regardless of evidence, the people who think RuSh =/= Bibiane will be swayed with proper evidence. With that being said, it's obvious that one side is terribly blind by some kind of hatred (probably because RuSh maybe shouldn't have been admitted to ASL... The only one who have admitted that they might be wrong about this case is mca. On the other hand, I have not read a single post here where You acknowledge the fact that his case might be true. To you it doesn't even seem like a possibility. And yet you're saying that the accusors are the ones that can't be swayed by proof. That's hilarious! Most ppl seems to be convinced that Bibiane did smurf as Rush, according to that poll, so shouldn't it be in the best interest of Bibiane, Rush and the organization to clear their name? If this doesn't lead anywhere, ppl will still continue accusing Bibiane of being a smurfer, and the ppl who voted yes will lose faith in the organization in question, and it will also hurt the legitimacy of any future tournament that either of them takes part in. | ||
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George_the_man
796 Posts
On September 01 2012 14:43 Shotcoder wrote: Secondly, there was and still is no proof other than what we can see from those games that proves RuSh is higher than C+. He has no accounts higher than C+ and that's why he was admitted. Zimp merely warned that he might be above the C+ skill cap but there were no accounts to prove this. did u even read what u wrote ?? So with ur logic smurf is only possible to be catch if he joins league with account higher than skill cap ? (unless its possible to track every account created from a certain IP adress in that case ignore rest of post cause im complete ingorant in that matter - but even than its possible to smurf in , hah organisers not having easy job ;D ) So if u were organiser and i asked Flash to play on my account u would never catch me cause " hmm i dont see account higher than c+ - everythings fine!!" like thats the logic u kinda presented lol  I dunno but if such an authority in that case like Zimp gives warnings it could be like the only way to catch smurfes and should be investigated - so maybe organisers missed one guy but everyone makes mistakes, Or maybe its not even mistake , maybe hes in C+ range and all people claiming hes above that rank are simply wrong? Thats also possibility and sadly we probably wont know the answer but imo if Rush had nothing to hide he wouldnt leave league - he would just simply ignore that sudden trash , thats what i think also... cool thread :D | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 19:32 George_the_man wrote: did u even read what u wrote ?? So with ur logic smurf is only possible to be catch if he joins league with account higher than skill cap ? (unless its possible to track every account created from a certain IP adress in that case ignore rest of post cause im complete ingorant in that matter - but even than its possible to smurf in , hah organisers not having easy job ;D ) So if u were organiser and i asked Flash to play on my account u would never catch me cause " hmm i dont see account higher than c+ - everythings fine!!" like thats the logic u kinda presented lol I dunno but if such an authority in that case like Zimp gives warnings it could be like the only way to catch smurfes and should be investigated - so maybe organisers missed one guy but everyone makes mistakes, Or maybe its not even mistake , maybe hes in C+ range and all people claiming hes above that rank are simply wrong? Thats also possibility and sadly we probably wont know the answer but imo if Rush had nothing to hide he wouldnt leave league - he would just simply ignore that sudden trash , thats what i think also... cool thread :D i posted this just before i looked at Rush account http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364210¤tpage=3#51 and what admins did? they just warned me... I dont know what they dont care about fair play in theirs own tourney. Also i dont like tehy didnt let Breach play in this tourney cause he has gm in SC2 (even where him and his brother are bm to me, I try to look at everything objectively;). At the moment he isnt higher than yellow rank player for me (i played few games with him at ysl ladder stage). Admins from ASL are so unfair.... at least YSL's admin Ninazerg has diffrent attitude and she is really nice and funny person  i love hers trollin;) | ||
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aquados
Netherlands180 Posts
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thezanursic
5500 Posts
On September 01 2012 05:02 Game wrote: This thread is a disgrace. It is, it got me banned for no good Fing reason. I just wanna say that Bibiane nor RuSh have participated in the conversation and they haven't tried to exonorate themselves and I'm not sure what to think about that. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:00 aquados wrote: well, winning from somebody doesn't mean that he is better...... look at m18m vs flash for example last spl, he was like 15-0 and he lost 1 game, does that mean he is suddely worse against m18m? no ofc not, so judging by 2 games is kinda stupid tbh i cant win vs wallace, i cant win vs drshrinker (both c+ max players and plays in asl2 and ysl) but vs Breach's main race toss i won 2;1. (normal games, no 8bbs by me). For me he isnt more that c+ | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
as for the matter, since i havent been active for years, i know neither of these guys. but after reading every single post in this thread (multiban so good), especially games and eywas, there was just too much defense from 2 of the (head?)organizers for some supposedly random C player, who magically after playing a season of 100 games (not that many really) starts to rape faces and goes 90+% winrate. in steps the new hk expert in town, sorry i dont know you, and says a lot of things, but the only important thing he said was him being actually not sure about the issue AND having suspected the accused player himself for a long time before. he also quit the team, just because of THIS? wow, yet people still focus on that polish guy nobody knows, probably being a mistrzzz smurf (now that doty seems to be a respected member of the community this wouldnt surprise me at all), hacking down on him for not being able to provide the 100%proof which has never existed in the world of starcraft, where it always was a combination of luck, timing and a good sense of !good! organization (this isnt just setting up things) when there were banwaves or single smurfers/cheaters getting caught. there still has not been a single replay posted by the tournament admins, who rather ban the guy who actually seems nice, but a little too naive and lacks good english, for BLACKMAILING them LOL. AFTER he PRIVATELY messaged them, asking to investigate the issue, nothing more. he may have demanded a ban or made himself look like he has undeniable proof too quickly, but does that warrant all the shit hes taking here including a ban for some tour he is told be one of the most active players in? i think not. maybe have him banned after he failed to provide proof in this thread, after a good 100 of posts. but the way the admins presented themselves here, it sounded more like "yea, we ban guys we dont agree with. we're friends with the accused, so they CANT be doing anything wrong (OH how often has this happened before here? ahahahah). they live close to each other, its PROOF they dont smurf on each others acc (LOL?). we dont give you replays. why? because fuck you." all in all, thats the message you guys brought across here, so why you cry when people start getting supicious of the issue, even if there is no real proof and just some 4 replays or shit (nobody has analyzed them so far from what i can see)? romad doesnt wanna do it and says the other guy could do it just as well, who, i repeat, QUIT THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE HE WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING AS THE OP? and judging from the way game and eywa are behaving here, he didnt just quit LOL. maybe game has a special understanding for the situation his friends are in?! hahaha edit: i suggest the following steps: - since there has been 12 pages of drama and a funny amount of bans in this thread already, the tournament admins release all replays of rush and the other guy whos name i cant remember - romad goes over these, being the nice guy he's always been (never understood why you'd provide such an excellent service to a community which has a history of defending cheaters and not handing out lifetime bans probably ever. hovz) - if romad says and actually provides proof of either: - them not smurfing, ban the polish dude from your leagues and tl, because he stirred up a lot of shit - them actually smurfing, ban both guys forever and try to think about if game and eywa are fit to be admins maybe youre great at organizing shit for this little community, but the way youre handling this issue screams "nepotism". so maybe you should get guys on the team for ADMINISTRATING the way your tourneys are ran, who arent involved that deeply in the community, which has always been one of the better things about early iccup etc, where you might have gotten some random ban for not complying, but there was NEVER a case of this kind of friends helping each other out thing, which only started after they got ppl like paladin and all the other US east guys on the team. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:44 mca64[KDV] wrote: funny thig is that Mistrzzz was accused by ToT)Hullah(. Later on mh was proven in Hullah's games... but this not the end of the story. Now Hullah works in bllizard bouhahahaha. He hacked almost in every foreign games and now get a good job... yea dude, if i were you, id stop going around and showing your knowledge about mistrzzz lol. btw, did any of you know zarrr was still playing all these years? yes, its a fact many proven hackers came out of the woodworks again after sc2 killed bw. knowing guys like zarrr personally and knowing many other of these dudes and how their cases went down way back, almost exclusively every cheater in the foreign scene never played for the petty 50€ you could win here and there, but always for fame and glory. and fame and glory dont care about it being in a community of 5000 or 500 guys. or rather 50 nowadays lol | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
 ), but i cant be indifferent with this whole case with Rush and ASL admins attitude. It's just the way i am .You were first who mentioned about Mistrzzz | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On September 01 2012 19:32 George_the_man wrote: did u even read what u wrote ?? So with ur logic smurf is only possible to be catch if he joins league with account higher than skill cap ? (unless its possible to track every account created from a certain IP adress in that case ignore rest of post cause im complete ingorant in that matter - but even than its possible to smurf in , hah organisers not having easy job ;D ) So if u were organiser and i asked Flash to play on my account u would never catch me cause " hmm i dont see account higher than c+ - everythings fine!!" like thats the logic u kinda presented lol I dunno but if such an authority in that case like Zimp gives warnings it could be like the only way to catch smurfes and should be investigated - so maybe organisers missed one guy but everyone makes mistakes, Or maybe its not even mistake , maybe hes in C+ range and all people claiming hes above that rank are simply wrong? Thats also possibility and sadly we probably wont know the answer but imo if Rush had nothing to hide he wouldnt leave league - he would just simply ignore that sudden trash , thats what i think also... cool thread :D Actually I read what I wrote and you took it as me being retarded instead of taking it logically, but I can only expect this on the internet and in this thread so I am not offended in the least. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On September 01 2012 21:35 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: LOL drama. as for the matter, since i havent been active for years, i know neither of these guys. Stopped reading right there. | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On September 01 2012 05:34 quirinus wrote: Agreed. mca64[KDV], Zimp said they're not the same person. Do you know who motherfucking ZIMP is? Do you? Now go to your momma and bend over so she can spank you good.  If you like throwing accusations around, build a time machine and go back in time a few hundred years. Those guys with caps and red robes would welcome you. As would some village people as Eywa- demonstrated with a nice vid: | ||
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