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Hey! I only saw one game from ASL, it was long TvP Rush vs Wands and i thought then how this guy was able to play for yellow ranks tourney. I play terran and for me then he was like B terran (tvp is one of hardest mu in sc:bw and he havent problems with B- toss). Yesterday i saw one game of Bibiane on his stream and remind me that one game from asl, which i saw cause he played the same style like Rush (i mean caming in tvp: mass turrets at 2nd exp etc), but i ignored it. Today I was just curious who is Rush cause we goona be in the same tourney ASL2, so I went to iccup site and just checked rush[pain] . There is no any replays of him, he doeasnt play much, only few 2v2 games, he doeasnt play clan wars, cl whats strange cause he have a clan. So i checked his 2v2 games and what?? he played these games with Bibiane. Now i was pretty sure something is wrong so i dowloaded Rush's replays from ASL and Bibiane;s replays from ICCup sites and compared them.
Rush in ladder stage played mostly zerg and toss, in play off mosty terran. Bibiane also play off races (his main is T).
TvsP :
First i made basic check eapm and whats is most important % of redundacy apm (how much there is a spam in apm). % is verry constant for each player in each mu and differs slightly. If there was a bigger diffrence there is no need to continue analyzing replays. I checked long and short tvp:
![[image loading]](http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6743/444rb.jpg)
next i checked in another program (BWHF Agent) calulacted eapm, which use diffrent algorithm for it. For many players there is diffrent % of redundacy trend in BWHF- they have much more or much less spam so if Rush will have much more and Bibiane will have much less spam or vice versa there is no need to continoue analyzing replays. From experience 80% player will have more spam in BWHF agent, but Bibian and Rush, not only have the same trend but also both have less spam in BWHF, its not common...
![[image loading]](http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1525/68484096.jpg)
at this point they still can be diffrent gamers, but chance is verry small. In the next step i checked hotkeys and usage hotkeys in bwchart. Maybe little words at beginig. Hotkey usage is like fingerprints, there are unique for each player. Its just habit like i use mouse, not hk to siege tanks (who watch my stream know what i mean;)
ok here is screen from long pvt games:
![[image loading]](http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8861/bwchcal.jpg)
Patern is the same!!! and trust me this is verry unique for each player.
I markered characteristic points. Until 12 min under hk 3 is assigned command ceneter and is often used after that time there is break until he will select group of army under this key. He will do it when he have a army already assigned to hk 1 and hk 2. Under hk 4 he has factory assigned until there will by much more army. frequency for using 3 for cc and 4 for factory is the same.
Above anylze is only for tvp, checked for many replays. For TvZ also prooves that Rush = Bibian. For now im 99,99% sure its the same person, but... they also play toss and guess what? all is the same, even for diffrent race! For zerg i cant check, cause i dont have Bibian's replays. Intriguingly is that admins from ASL are close to Bibian, they defend Rush ability to play in ASL2, they banned me from tourney for sending pm about my doubts. Judge for yourself. Tank You
Poll: Do you think Rush[PaiN] = Bibiane[PaiN]?Yes (75) 74% No (26) 26% 101 total votes Your vote: Do you think Rush[PaiN] = Bibiane[PaiN]? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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if pictures arent in full image here, then just copy url and paste in browser adrres to see full image
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how big is your sample size? :/
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dont know. I wrote second post cause pics werent scaled. Now is ok
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I meant to ask how many replays you were analyzing, not how big the pics were 
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Your conspiracy theory is actually really funny. Accusing Shimy of hoarding Bibiane due to a close friendship with the most lackluster proof I've ever seen, as the staff of ASL, including zimp (maybe you've heard of him?), could not identify them as the same person.
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few random replays for tvp and also few for rest mu. I wouldnt do that if i didnt see stream of Bibiane, tvp play style is also unique, i saw hundred/ thousand tvp games... also i wanted to play in asl2 and i knew i would be banned for that, but i dont like "cheating" and thought i dont need to play in such a tourney... im pretty sure he had acquiescence and this is sad.
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On August 30 2012 03:57 mca64[KDV] wrote:
few random replays for tvp and also few for rest mu. I wouldnt do that if i didnt see stream of Bibiane, tvp play style is also unique, i saw hundred/ thousand tvp games... also i wanted to play in asl2 and i knew i would be banned for that, but i dont like "cheating" and thought i dont need to play in such a tourney... im pretty sure he had acquiescence and this is sad.
You were actually banned after 2 warnings, with the last physically saying "You will be banned for the next offense." I'd say you had plenty knowledge of your incoming ban prior to any ridiculous theory you conjured up with no scientific evidence.
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On August 30 2012 03:57 Game wrote:
Your conspiracy theory is actually really funny. Accusing Shimy of hoarding Bibiane due to a close friendship with the most lackluster proof I've ever seen, as the staff of ASL, including zimp (maybe you've heard of him?), could not identify them as the same person.
so wait for zimp answer in this topic as admins from asl said "he is "expert" from replays checkin and nothin found". Where is Romad?
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On August 30 2012 04:01 mca64[KDV] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 03:57 Game wrote:
Your conspiracy theory is actually really funny. Accusing Shimy of hoarding Bibiane due to a close friendship with the most lackluster proof I've ever seen, as the staff of ASL, including zimp (maybe you've heard of him?), could not identify them as the same person. so wait for zimp answer in this topic as admins from asl said "he is "expert" from replays checkin and nothin found". Where is Romad?
Are you implying that zimp is not qualified to analyze hotkeys of players, and that only Romad is?
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On August 30 2012 04:03 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:01 mca64[KDV] wrote:On August 30 2012 03:57 Game wrote:
Your conspiracy theory is actually really funny. Accusing Shimy of hoarding Bibiane due to a close friendship with the most lackluster proof I've ever seen, as the staff of ASL, including zimp (maybe you've heard of him?), could not identify them as the same person. so wait for zimp answer in this topic as admins from asl said "he is "expert" from replays checkin and nothin found". Where is Romad? Are you implying that zimp is not qualified to analyze hotkeys of players, and that only Romad is?
if it is, let him deny or agree to my evidences
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or better let rushl play one game vs bibiane with the same hotkey, apm, eapm etc
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sorry game, but i posted proofs and you just empty words. If You dont agreed please organzie one game of them...
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a lot of people use factory at 4 but will later use it as army if they need (including flash, eh)
however, those APM numbers are the exact same, and considering spam and % are pretty damning
this isn't a case of hotkey analysis, but rather the APM giving it away
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On August 30 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:
a lot of people use factory at 4 but will later use it as army if they need (including flash, eh)
however, those APM numbers are the exact same, and considering spam and % are pretty damning
this isn't a case of hotkey analysis, but rather the APM giving it away
yes i know, its just one of many same things.... whats the probability that they both have the same everything? even with diffrent races... close to zero... Please watch replays of bibiane and rush games...
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On August 30 2012 04:12 mca64[KDV] wrote:
sorry game, but i posted proofs and you just empty words. If You dont agreed please organzie one game of them...
I did. When Shimy was only 99.9% sure given zimp and other counter abuse people's proof, they called me in to assist them. I played RuSh many times to have fresh, honest hotkeys vs a better than C+/B- player. He is absolutely not Bibiane. There's my proof, you took a couple screenshots of BWChart and stated some theory with empty words of bias and illegatimacy.
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On August 30 2012 04:06 mca64[KDV] wrote:
or better let rushl play one game vs bibiane with the same hotkey, apm, eapm etc
They did play each other for the organization of ASL because they wanted nothing more than to prove their legitimacy. You can close this thread now.
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On August 30 2012 04:23 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:06 mca64[KDV] wrote:
or better let rushl play one game vs bibiane with the same hotkey, apm, eapm etc They did play each other for the organization of ASL because they wanted nothing more than to prove their legitimacy. You can close this thread now.
so post replays
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btw is very simple. organize match bibiane vs rush[pain] 
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On August 30 2012 04:19 mca64[KDV] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:16 Bill Murray wrote:
a lot of people use factory at 4 but will later use it as army if they need (including flash, eh)
however, those APM numbers are the exact same, and considering spam and % are pretty damning
this isn't a case of hotkey analysis, but rather the APM giving it away yes i know, its just one of many same things.... whats the probability that they both have the same everything? even with diffrent races... close to zero... Please watch replays of bibiane and rush games...
Let's see, RuSh, Bibiane, and Bizzy live within 5 miles of each other, train with each other in real life, and often play at each others houses. They share IDs for training purposes as well. I'd be willing to say that if I played the same race with 2 superior players at their houses, with them giving me tips and advice on how to improve/play, I'd look a hell of a lot like them regarding apm too. I think you are genuinely mistaking invaluable resources with abuse.
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