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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 29 2012 22:23 GMT
#81
Brood War dramas, how refreshing.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 29 2012 22:24 GMT
#82
On August 30 2012 07:05 KenNage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:00 bizzyT wrote:
WTF guys

I live close to bibi and rush but I haven't met them in real life

But yes, bibi and rush are friends and they go to same school


so? if that's true that only says they are both real, it doesn't stop them to play in the others one account.

From my point of view the thing seems fishy, maybe they are not the same person, but Game and Eywa- arguing about it asking to close the thread make the whole thing look more fishy

From your point of view everything seems fishy.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10393 Posts
August 29 2012 22:28 GMT
#83
On August 30 2012 04:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
btw is very simple. organize match bibiane vs rush[pain]

fund it. fool proof way :D
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 29 2012 22:36 GMT
#84
On August 30 2012 07:00 SilSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:47 SilSol wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:43 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:42 thezanursic wrote:
Eywa:
If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis.




The fact that it happens at different times could be attributed to different builds/different builds of opponents.

Find a replay where they are doing the same build and then add some fancy graphics and I'll be convinced that they are not the same person

So basically, you're saying that his screen shots prove nothing and show nothing of value, yet I have to dig up replays and provide screen shots? Funny man.

Funny world we live in, guilty until proven innocent.


I don't want to really take a part of this but why are you defending him or them so much? If you are 100% positive that they are not cheating why don't u just make them play each other? What's the big issue here really? It's so simple to solve. I want this to get solved so the tournament can get played

I'm not saying that they are cheating or not but the hotkeys seems fishy which is NOT 100% a fact that they are. BUT since it made so many people interested/curious and maybe "IF" its the truth that they are why isn't it worth looking into? JUST make them play each other it's not harder... It really doesn't help to argue in a thread like this with just words really. I understand you Eywa and Game also.

You don't seem to realise that unsupported accusations hurt everyone in the scene even if it's not instantly visible. Also, as described before them playing each other doesn't solve anything because there's a 100% chance that two people are there... So they can play each other................................ Doesn't solve potential tournament cheating....


Of course i understand that it hurts everyone. But i assume that if someone is trying to confirm that someone is cheating here and making a thread about it publicly it should be taken care of in a way that helps everyone right? Like if i was going to call someone a cheater/hacker or whatever I know that i would get a lot more evidence than this OP did i do agree on that. But i don't think someone is that stupid making a thread this big for the fun of it, that's just really stupid and not good at all.

Well how can we solve this easy and simple without any further 100+ pages discussion? So everyone is happy.

edit: so you have looked into it? that Rush isn't in fact that other guy? Provide us with the evidence u guys got then? And just solve this so the OP can't just spit out accusations

Obviously this thread is the best way to handle the problem for everyone.
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GeckoVOD
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Germany814 Posts
August 29 2012 22:39 GMT
#85
With all due respect, the OP seemed to have asked via PM first. I can understand that it sucks to repeat the same all over, but why not just tell him what you know / have already done about it?
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mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
August 29 2012 22:42 GMT
#86
i dont understand one thing. If i was a admin of some tourney and someone send me pm about cheating i wouldnt ban him form a tourney but speak with that person more about it.

On August 30 2012 00:29 Shimy wrote:
Incident Report



Due to the recent actions from the player mca64[KDV], he will no longer be allowed to play in the StarLeague and is from here on out banned from NoisE ASL 2. His offense was blackmailing the league. His message:

Show nested quote +
From: mca64[KDV] [ 73 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: hey
Date: 8/29/12 22:08
hey, ive got proofs that Rush = Bibian. Dont want to make a topic with it first, please talk to him and let him admit yourself thats he played for Rush... if not i will create topic within few days
Reply


The league rules state that any actions of this sort are banable offences. Sending blackmail messaged to league admins is entirely unacceptable and will not be tolerated. The offence results in a termination of mca64[KDV]'s right to participate in the NoisE ASL 2 and possible restriction from future events. The actions are still under review, however, the league would like to put a stop to any actions of this sort immediately.

Secondly, the accusations are entirely false, while it is possible to question his skill... Bibiane and RuSh' replays were analysed during ASL and the conclusion which zimp drew was that Bibiane and RuSh are indeed different players. zimp's conclusions cannot be seen as biased because he himself did not like RuSh's participation in the ASL.

Any further discussion about the matter from mca64[KDV] will be reviewed by the league and added to the database which could result in a longer suspension from play and/or permanent ban from any future events.

This decision is final.


ASL Administration



soon to be seen that shimy (admin of the tour), babian and rush go to the same school
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
August 29 2012 22:49 GMT
#87
lol blackmail? is this some kind of joke. he tried to resolve it without resorting to a public post and you just sat on it?


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SirJolt
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
the Dagon Knight4011 Posts
August 29 2012 22:51 GMT
#88
On August 30 2012 07:49 Kiante wrote:
lol blackmail? is this some kind of joke. he tried to resolve it without resorting to a public post and you just sat on it?


In fairness, they didn't "just sit on it."

They disqualified him and accused him of blackmail. Proactive.
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
August 29 2012 22:52 GMT
#89
It's definately not evidence that they are the same person, but further research should be done. The hotkey and apm patterns are very very similar though... I don't think anyone should be saying "They are not the same person" without further evidence. Them playing each other will probably not work, because if they ARE the same person, they can get a friend to log on the others name, and play with complete opposite hotkeys as they normally do.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 29 2012 22:53 GMT
#90
I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol
Writerptrk
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
August 29 2012 22:54 GMT
#91
[PaiN] is still alive...?
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:58:42
August 29 2012 22:55 GMT
#92
What is most surprising is that from the info I've gathered Rush[pain] is clearly over C+ skill level, yet theres an argument trying to be made to prove he's even higer rank than B-/B LOL. Give me a break, he's already above yellow rank. We know it, he knows it and the admins know it. So, why bother trying to prove he's a higher rank when he's already above the supposed allowed skill level? You're not going to change the organizers mind period. It's their decision


I'd also like to touch on the fact that some people think it's so impossible to have a large conspiracy take place because the "leaders" and "organizers" would never allow this, they must live under a rock. That's extremely dangerous logic.

I don't think Bibiane would of stooped so low to play for Rush[pain]. However, if all three of the users previously mentioned live really close together the possibility that one of them played for Rush[pain] still has a fair probability.

Lastly, the benefit of this thread(that it seems most of have missed) is that it will probably stop them playing for Rush[pain](if they ever did in the first place) for fear of making it too obvious that no one can deny or getting caught.

Cheers

Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 29 2012 22:57 GMT
#93
On August 30 2012 07:23 Xiphos wrote:
Brood War dramas, how refreshing.

wheres my sAviOr when i need him
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
August 29 2012 22:59 GMT
#94
On August 30 2012 07:54 chadissilent wrote:
[PaiN] is still alive...?


Just look at the iccup page and the answers is there in front of you
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 29 2012 23:11 GMT
#95
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote:
I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol

Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 29 2012 23:14 GMT
#96
On August 30 2012 08:11 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote:
I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol

Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.

wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...
Writerptrk
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 29 2012 23:14 GMT
#97
On August 30 2012 08:14 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 08:11 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote:
I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol

Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.

wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...

I wouldn't classify someone who hasn't heard about it till this thread as a worthy judge, personally ...
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
mca64[KDV]
Profile Joined May 2012
Poland463 Posts
August 29 2012 23:15 GMT
#98
previous warn for this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364210&currentpage=3#51
ohh hes also from canada
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 29 2012 23:17 GMT
#99
On August 30 2012 08:15 mca64[KDV] wrote:
previous warn for this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364210&currentpage=3#51
ohh hes also from canada

About half of your posts are either crying in ASL thread or here.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 23:25:10
August 29 2012 23:23 GMT
#100
On August 30 2012 08:14 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 08:14 ArvickHero wrote:
On August 30 2012 08:11 Eywa- wrote:
On August 30 2012 07:53 ArvickHero wrote:
I think that is close to the most ridiculous ban ever lol

Given that he was warned twice prior, I agree.

wouldn't classify that PM as blackmail, personally ...

I wouldn't classify someone who hasn't heard about it till this thread as a worthy judge, personally ...

I haven't really read any evidence to the contrary (to whether or not it's blackmail or not) in this thread tbh, so yea if I'm misjudging then it's not my fault, but rather those who have failed to provide any sort of convincing statement otherwise. There are several others who agree with the sentiment.

I'm not agreeing w/ MCA here about whether or not rush and bibiane are the same (I don't), or whether or not Game/Shimy/Zimp/BizzyT/etc are or are not trustworthy (they are), I'm just saying that I don't think that really accounts for blackmail in my book.
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